2024 TYR PRO SWIM SERIES – SAN ANTONIO
- April 10-13, 2024
- Northside Swim Center, San Antonio, TX
- LCM (50m)
- Start Times
- Wednesday Distance: 5pm (Central Time)
- All Prelims: 9am (Central Time)
- Thurs-Sat Finals: 6pm (Central Time)
- Meet Central
- Psych Sheets
- Live Results
- Livestream (also available on the USA Swimming Network app)
- Day 1 Finals Live Recap
- Day 2 Prelims Live Recap | Day 2 Finals Live Recap
- Day 3 Prelims Live Recap | Day 3 Finals Live Recap
- Day 4 Prelims Live Recap | Day 4 Finals Live Recap
Kate Douglass clocked a 2:19.89 in the 200 breast at the San Antonio Pro Swim on Saturday, just half a second shy of her season best from January. Douglass said this was the most tired she’s been at a meet this season, pointing to good things to come this summer at the US Trials.
You can read the scientific paper, Swimming in Data, which Douglass helped publish, here.
Not sure where to post corrections to the linked Swimming in Data article as a non-academic so going to throw it in the comments here. The publications includes the following sentence:
How difficult is the challenge? In the United States, becoming a competitor in collegiate swimming is a major accomplishment. According to the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) [8], only about seven percent of high-school swimmers are recruited to a Division 1 college team.
The link takes you to a table that indicates that 3.3% of male high school swimmers and 4.2% of female high school swimmers end up swimming at a division 1 school. I think the authors summed the percentages… Read more »
I’ve emailed Dr. Ono and Augustus Lamb. Both have responded. I would email Dr. Ono and ask how they got the number they did to see if they used a different method.
I’ll do that if I get a chance. Thanks!
In season vs shaved/tapered at your big meet of the year doesn’t mean what it used to. Too often swimmers swim really fast in season only to swim the same time, sometimes slowly when ‘shaved/tapered’ at the big meet. I’m not suggesting that she won’t swim any faster at Trials/Olympics, but the in season story isn’t what it used to be.
Based on what data?
“Too often” according to whom? Didn’t we just have a whole discussion here about how some people are big taper swimmers and others aren’t? There isn’t a right or wrong way to do it.
I agree that people are learning to swim fast for a greater percentage of the year, but I think that’s generally a good thing. It makes the sport more fun/exciting as a fan, and for a lot of athletes it’s easier to feel confident going into a championship meet knowing that you’ve been going close to your goal times for the whole year rather than hoping and praying for a 4 second taper drop in a 100 after a whole season of swimming tired and low in the water.
People are disagreeing with you but you’re right. I can name a bunch of swimmers last year who had amazing in season swims and were slower at worlds. Not sure I can name any that were amazing in season and dropped time at worlds.
For the entire 2022-2023 season, I surely can and it was blatantly obvious for one female swimmer.
Surely this must be mind games considering she was faster in 100free and 200breast than WC2024?
Kate Douglass swam session doubles (W 100 FR, W 200 BR) in the heats, semis, and final at the 2023 World Aquatics Championships and 2024 World Aquatics Championships. Review the schedule of events.
I really wish she cared about this event less lol, 100 free, 200 IM, 50 Free is such a nice line up, breastroke is booooring
She has relatively no Olympic medal chance in 100 free, with 200 breaststroke she is pretty much guaranteed a medal.
better chance in breaststroke but ludicrious to say no medal chance in the 100.
With her improvement in the 100 in the last 3 years i wouldn’t be too confident against her winning a medal. If anything, id say the 50 and the 100 are her stronger chances at pulling off an upset for gold (compared to 200 breast). A year and a half ago she was going 53 mid with a relay start at worlds. Now she’s casually dropping 52s from a flat start at a pro swim meet, and if her NCAA experience tells us anything, she can bring it when she shows up at a big meet.
“Casually dropping 52s at Pro Swims”. She went a 52.98 once. Like come on, you know that’s not an accurate description at all lol
she’s also been 52.5. She also casually went 2:19 in her 2 breasts, twice (while not rested). So my point is, she could go 52 whenever she feels like it.
She’s been 52.5 but not a a Pro Swim.
There is a massive difference between “I think she could drop a 52 whenever she wants” and “she is already casually dropping 52s at Pro Swims”. The first one is an opinion. The second one is a factually incorrect statement.
The event schedule lends itself better at the Summer Olympics compared to the World Aquatics Championships if the final of the W 100 FR precedes the semifinals of the W 200 BR. The event schedule at the Summer Olympics eliminates the session double (W 100 FR/W 200 BR) in the morning compared to the World Aquatics Championships. The W 100 FR and W 200 BR are spread out over three days at the Summer Olympics compared to two days at the World Aquatics Championships.
52.5 and she has no chance at a medal? Whatever youre smoking, I want some.
That’s 52.57 to be exact.
https://www.swimcloud.com/swimmer/298618/
I bet you said the same with Simone Manuel in the W 100 FR at the 2016 Summer Olympics. Meanwhile, it was C1 and C2 who finished off the podium.
The schedule in Paris is better for the 100 so let’s see. 200 IM and 50 Free more of a problem with 50 semis just 20 minutes before 200IM final.
The Trials schedule for 50 free and 200 IM is too close, I doubt KD swims 50 free at trials
Did she end up doing the 100 fly B-final?
no
Oh she dangerous. KD you scary. If shes that tired, she WILL challenge that WR when fully tapered as long as she hits the taper and game plan.
I don’t believe that, her stroke is always slower and she never has that much speed even if she is completely rested.
My prediction for her for trials is 2:19:50, although I suppose that in anything race (I don’t know if in the Olympics) she will be 2:18, but I don’t think she can reach 2:17 in her race with her breaststroke frequency.
My predictions for Paris in this category is:
Schoenmaker gold, Douglass silver and Schouten bronce, like Fukuoka 2023
“she never has that much speed”
it this a joke? It has to be a joke.
Douglas has a fantastic breaststroke for endurance and very good running speed.
But perhaps it is the speed that he has lacked to be able to win a 200 Breaststroke race, the one that Tatjana and Schouten do have for having at least 1:05 in the 100 breaststroke
Kate Douglass could post a “lackadaisical” 2:20 in the W 200 BR at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials and win by at least two seconds if not more. The likes of Kaitlyn Dobler, Lydia Jacoby, Alex Walsh need to enter in the W 200 BR at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials since Lilly King has been completely unimpressive in the aforementioned event at the last two stops (2:25.97, 2:25.76) of the TYR Pro Swim Series. As a footnote, the Olympic Qualifying Time (OQT) is 2:23.91 in the W 200 BR.
While I do think King probably has a good drop and nabs the 2nd slot for the 200 breast, my dream is that Ella Nelson focuses all of her energy on this race and surprise qualifies. She’s 4th overall in the qualifying window behind Douglass (2:19), King (2:20), and Jacoby (2:24). Assuming Alex Walsh (2:25) doesn’t contest it (which she very well might), the next closest is Dobler, who is about 2 seconds behind Nelson. It would be such a nice capstone to her career!
Since the W 100 BR precedes the W 200 BR at the 2024 Summer Olympics, Kaitlyn Dobler and Lydia Jacoby have nothing the lose by adding the W 200 BR to the event schedule at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials.
What a great thing it would be for Ella to make the team.
Not only would Ella Nelson have to finish second, Ella Nelson would have to beat the clock.
https://www.swimcloud.com/swimmer/376410/
Note the personal best time in the W 200 BR (LCM).
“her stroke is always slower.” Thats probably the dumbest thing ive read here all day. She went 2:19.8 “tired,” did you not see the interview? Maybe she wont break the WR but she will rattle it if she sticks to that game plan of going out in a 1:07 low.
You probably need to have 1:05 speed to have prayer of going 2:17
Exactly. There’s a direct correlation. Douglass is not going out in 1:07 and coming home in 1:10. She now seems to understand that 100 speed plays a larger role than she realized. But I think she is figuring it out a year too late to defeat Tatjana.
I disagree. Its how hard she can hang onto that speed on the last 100. She can crack it if she hits 1:06 high and goes lights out until the end.
How is it that you spell Aragorn and Arathorn both incorrectly but in different ways in the same sentence?
you spelled it wrong, homie.
KD oozes well-earned self-confidence. Me thinks that she has been a positive influence for Gretchen Walsh as well!
The Douglass/Ono publication linking applied mathematics/technology/fluid dynamics etc to stroke technique fascinating and well written.
who downvoted this? I’m genuinely curious what kind of troll downvotes such a positive remark.
Speculation about one swimmer’s impact on another with no basis in anything always makes me a bit skeeved.
Downvote worthy, even.
This comment makes me a bit steved.
Speculative or not, you cannot disagree that KD – who is older, more experienced, competes in similar events, and was/is a leader on the UVA team – has made a positive impact on G. Walsh and the rest of the UVA sprinters.
I mean, I have no idea. I assume they’re cordial, at least! Maybe even good friends!
But also who hasn’t been on a team where the two best people absolutely hate each other.
I’m not saying that’s even remotely likely in this case, but I’ve got just as much of a factual basis in saying that than “Douglass is a positive influence on GWalsh!”
(Also it felt oddly paternalistic, idk phrasing was just weird! My only real point is there’s a reason to downvote the original comment, it’s not innocuous.)
Skeeved because she complimented a research paper? Also, because she has probably pushed Gretchen to be faster? You’re ridiculous. Are you a Cal or Texas parent?
Many people on the Cal and Texas teams call me daddy, yes.
Do you really think Gretchen Walsh herself would deny that KD has been a positive influence (and vice versa)?!
Um… that is how great teams and cultures work….
No, but there weren’t a lot of swimmers publicly calling out Teri McKeever before that whole thing blew up, too.
(Yes I know they’re not equivalent situations; my point in bringing it up was that no one in the general public knew what the environment was like at Cal, just as none of us has any real insight into the interpersonal relationships of people we don’t know anywhere.)
I’m sure there’s a glint of truth in that original comment.
Edit – And I would like to add that I may be the site’s leader in commenting, “Kate Douglass rules.” just on its own. I was just answering a question about the dumbest thing possible – downvotes.
Your last “Kate Douglass rules” comment was either very long ago or I’ve missed it, so I demand a new “Kate Douglass rules” comment under the very next relevant article, or there will be hell to pay.
Maybe they are downvoting the person typing “Me thinks”? It’s a stretch, but just a guess.
I mean, I guess that could be the only acceptable reason. That and, there are probably parents here from top 10 schools that arent UVA and are simply jealous.
Maybe it’s because KD stans have gone beyond just piling on praise whenever she does anything, to also now giving her credit for the achievements of other swimmers?
Wait a minute!
Kate Douglass mailing in the heats of the W 100 FL was a postive influence on Gretchen Walsh?
KD just underestimated the field in the 100 fly, she still had good performances in 200 breaststroke and 100 free.
After beating Gretchen Walsh in the W 100 FR, Kate Douglass did not want to make Gretchen Walsh look bad by beating her in the W 100 FL. Hence, a sandbag of epic proportions in the heats of the W 100 FL.
dont think so. I think she knows how fast Torri and Gretchen are, and she is most definitely not swimming that event at trials.
The question becomes how many events become too many events at the 2024 USA Swimming Olympic Team Trials:
W 100 FR – Days 4/5
W 200 BR – Days 5/6
W 200 IM – Days 7/8
That’s nine individual swims for three individual events. I agree that Kate Douglass may unnecessarily wear herself down swimming the W 100 FL let alone the W 100 BR, an event where she is not guaranteed a second place finish.
Day to day
We see a fraction of a fraction. Focusing on that fraction is daft
I was responding to ludicrous notion of Kate’s influence on Gretchen with a ludicrous theory.