As the sporting world gears up to watch tonight’s Super Bowl game between the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots, we here at SwimSwam like to ask the big questions. Most importantly: who would win a dual meet between Patriots and Eagles fans?
For the purposes of this article, we’re going to assume (likely incorrectly) that all athletes from Philadelphia or the Philadelphia area support the Eagles, while all athletes from New England (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Connecticut) support the Patriots.
If we stick to just current USA Swimming National Teamers, then our rosters are:
CURRENT NATIONAL TEAM ‘EAGLES’:
- Andrew Abruzzo, Plymouth Meeting, PA (UGA commit, 3x Junior Worlds Champ, distance free/back/fly)
- Allyson McHugh, Philadelphia, PA (Penn State, World University Games silver medalist, distance free/IM)
- Cierra Runge, Cochranville, PA (Arizona State, 2016 Olympian, mid/distance free)
- Sierra Schmidt, Erdenheim, PA (Michigan, Pan Am Games gold medalist, distance free/IM/Fly)
CURRENT NATIONAL TEAM ‘PATRIOTS’:
- Elizabeth Beisel, Saunderstown, RI (Bluefish and Florida, Olympic silver medalist and 3x Olympian, back/IM)
This is not all that exciting, and the Eagles would win this Swimming Super Bowl based on roster size alone, especially given that Beisel has been out of the water since this summer. However, what if we expanded the roster to include non-national teamers and now-retired swimmers?
TEAM EAGLES (including legacy and non-national team swimmers):
- Brendan Hansen, Haverford Township, PA (Texas, former world record holder and Olympic gold medalist, breast)
- Reece Whitley, Philadelphia, PA (Penn Charter and Cal commit, world juniors silver medalist and SwimSwam’s #1 recruit of 2018, breast)
- Kristy Kowal, Reading, PA (Georgia, Olympic silver medalist, breast)
- Kyle Salyards, Lancaster, PA (Georgia, 2000 Olympian, breast)
- Andrew Abruzzo, Plymouth Meeting, PA (UGA commit, 3x Junior Worlds Champ, distance free/back/fly)
- Allyson McHugh, Philadelphia, PA (Penn State, World University Games silver medalist, distance free/IM)
- Cierra Runge, Cochranville, PA (Arizona State, 2016 Olympian, mid/distance free)
- Sierra Schmidt, Erdenheim, PA (Michigan, Pan Am Games gold medalist, distance free/IM/Fly)
TEAM PATRIOTS (including legacy and non-national team swimmers):
- Ian Crocker, Portland, ME (Texas, 3x Olympian and Olympic gold medalist, fly)
- Madison Kennedy, Avon, CT (SwimMAC and Cal, fastest textile American 50 SCM freestyler, sprint free)
- Erik Vendt, Dorchester, MA (USC and Club Wolverine, 3-time Olympian and Olympic silver medalist, distance free/IM)
- Jenny Thompson, Dover, NH (Stanford, eight-time Olympic gold medalist and 12-time Olympic medalist, sprint free/fly)
- Elizabeth Beisel, Saunderstown, RI (Bluefish and Florida, Olympic silver medalist and 3x Olympian, back/IM)
So, after pulling national teamers and prominent swimmers from 2000 to now, the teams shape up to be a little more equally. Most events of this hypothetical LCM dual meet seem to have an obvious winner, if we consider each swimmer at the height of their career. However, since our meet has such a limited group of swimmers, it would seem unfair to score past first place. Scoring only first place levels out Team Eagles’s extra swimmers, considering that three team members are male breaststrokers and three team members are female distance swimmers.
Who did we forget? Let us know in the comments.
TIME-TRAVELING EAGLES VS. PATRIOTS LCM DUAL MEET
Women’s sprint free: Patriots – Between Madison Kennedy and the great Jenny Thompson, this is a no-brainer. The edge would actually go to Madison Kennedy at the height of her career, compared to former world record holder and most decorated female Olympian of all time Thompson, due to advances in the sport. Kennedy has been 54.18 in the 100 free, while Thompson’s 1992 world record was 54.48.
Women’s distance free – Eagles – Easily a sweep of Runge, Schmidt, and McHugh. However, this doesn’t score a sweeps-worth of points for the Eagles, since it doesn’t make sense to score this tiny meet past first place.
Women’s fly – Patriots – These events go to Jenny Thompson, easily, unless Beisel decides to take on the 200, in which case, it’s still a 1-2 finish for the Pats.
Women’s back – Patriots – Beisel with the win again.
Women’s breast – Eagles – Kristy Kowal takes this easily.
Women’s IM – Patriots – Beisel is getting a little tired at this point, but Allyson McHugh and Sierra Schmidt would not be able to take her down at the height of her career.
Women’s 400 free relay – Now here’s a race. We have Kennedy/Beisel/Thompson/Kennedy taking on Schmidt/Kowal/McHugh/Runge.
Thompson’s 1992 World Record was 54.48, while Kennedy was 54.18 at the 2016 Olympic Trials. We’ll have Kennedy swim twice, and assume that puts her slower than her best and closer to 55. Beisel’s fastest time in the USA Swimming database is a 58.20 from 2010. So, given the fastest time for each swimmer and handicapping Kennedy for swimming twice, the times add out:
Patriots:
- Madison Kennedy: 55.00
- Elizabeth Beisel: 58.20
- Jenny Thompson: 54.48
- Madison Kennedy: 55.00 (3:42.68)
Eagles:
- Sierra Schmidt: 58.93
- Kristy Kowal: ??
- Allyson McHugh: 59.80 (SCY to LCM)
- Cierra Runge: 55.16
Given that Kristy Kowal was a breaststroker who hardly ever swam freestyle, and looking at the other splits, we’re going to give this one to the Pats, even with Madison Kennedy swimming twice.
Men’s breast – An insane Eagles sweep, between Hansen, Whitley, and Salyards.
Men’s fly – Patriots – These events obviously go to Ian Crocker.
Men’s IM – Patriots – Erik Vendt would make easy work of the IM events, even with youngster Abruzzo as his challenger. Vendt was 4:11 at 2000 Olympic Trials in the 400 IM, compared to Abruzzo’s 4:23.
Men’s distance free – Patriots – Erik Vendt would take these as well. He was 14:46 in 2008, while Abruzzo’s best is a 15:06 from World Juniors.
WINNER – PATRIOTS
Given these (slightly arbitrary) event selections, and the Eagles’ team composition of mostly breaststrokers, this dual meet would definitely go to the Patriots. Though the Eagles have a star-studded roster, and a handful of current National Teamers, their over-reliance on men’s breaststrokers and women’s distance swimmers isn’t ideal for a dual-meet format.
Samantha Arsenault – New England, Laura Sogar – New England
No David Nolan? He’s better than any of the other IMers in this field
We didn’t really consider Hershey to be “Philadelphia.” But, we’re not locals, so maybe locals do…
Hershey is Iggles country. Pissburgh country starts at Johnston. Go Eagles!
David Berkoff — what team is he going to represent? Harvard! BTW, who does he cheer for today on the gridiron?
Prime time Bobby Hackett is a scoring points for the Patriots too.
Iggles all the way!!!! Philly born and bred.
Reply to myself. Yeah Eagles! Super bowl champs!!!!!
Bobby Hackett is from the Bronx, Bro, Giants and Yankees all the way! Not the Pats!!!
Crocker swam for Maine swimming, different LSC. If one compares middle Atlantic and New England swimming records Middle Atlantic wins hands down.
Go Eagles!
http://maswim.org/Records/LSC_Records/Open_LCM.PDF
https://www.teamunify.com/lscnes/UserFiles/File/Copy%20of%20NELCMrecordsupdate08-12-17.pdf
Typical super bowl being rigged for the patriots
As it turns out, legacy players don’t count.
Correction: trained club in PA*
Meghan Small is from MD but technically trains in PA…might be a stretch but hey
Shane Ryan was born and raised just outside of Philly – WUG gold medalist. And if you take all of PA you pick up Leah Smith (but she’s more likely a Steelers fan from outside of Pitt).
And of course David Nolan from Hershey, although he hasn’t quite broken out internationally.
All of PA isn’t something that can be claimed for the Eagles squad. Foul on the Smith pick-up. Hershey is debatable. However, most are happy to gang up and go against the Pats.