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RESULTS
Question: Who should be the #1 recruit in the boys class of 2020?
- Luca Urlando – 57.1%
- Carson Foster – 42.9%
57.1% of voters picked Luca Urlando as the #1 junior recruit in the country, compared to 42.9% picking Carson Foster.
We published our updated recruit rankings about two weeks ago, with Foster holding the #1 spot. However, those rankings referenced Foster’s superior sprint free times, and came out just days before Urlando popped off lifetime-best 50 and 100 free times at his high school section meet. With Urlando now holding better sprint free times (and therefore better value on the 200 and 400 free relays), the battle becomes a lot more contentious – and if we were to re-rank this week, we’d probably say the same things voters in our poll did.
While Foster was by far the more notable name several years ago, Urlando has taken a surge in popularity after his big long course performances last summer. Urlando probably has momentum on his side after a year of massive drops (though Foster continues to drop time himself), and Urlando does seem to have overtaken Foster in fan notability.
The two are remarkably similar, and most NCAA recruiting discussion ultimately comes down to subjective factors: how much improvement one projects for each athlete, how different events are valued, how fast the rest of the recruiting class or the rest of the NCAA is in a particular event, etc. Here are some purely by-the-numbers breakdowns of the two:
USA Swimming Power Points
Here’s a look at the top 10 times in NCAA individual events from each swimmer, ranked by USA Swimming Power Points. (Note: these are age-dependent, so swims from when the swimmers were 16 get a relative bump compared to swims from age 17). It confirms what’s a pretty good distinction between the two: Urlando seems to have the superior speed in his top events, while Foster is more versatile and has a wider range of high-level events.
Luca Urlando | Carson Foster | ||||
Event | Time | Power Points | Power Points | Time | Event |
100 back | 45.66 | 1099 | 1074 | 1:42.54 | 200 IM |
200 IM | 1:42.99 | 1074 | 1065 | 1:40.07 | 200 back |
200 fly | 1:40.91 | 1074 | 1035 | 46.28 | 100 back |
100 fly | 45.62 | 1054 | 1032 | 3:40.86 | 400 IM |
200 back | 1:42.11 | 1035 | 1010 | 1:32.99 | 200 free |
400 IM | 3:49.58 | 996 | 990 | 53.31 | 100 breast |
200 free | 1:34.38 | 990 | 986 | 1:56.53 | 200 breast |
100 free | 43.23 | 955 | 977 | 1:44.11 | 200 fly |
50 free | 19.88 | 919 | 947 | 4:20.21 | 500 free |
200 breast | 2:02.05 | 917 | 934 | 43.61 | 100 free |
Times in Common Events
Here’s a look at the events both have in their top 10, plus the relay-distance freestyles (where they both project to contribute in college). Each has three superior events. You could make an argument that Urlando’s 200 free will come down to Fosters level when he contests it again, considering Urlando is 1:47.7 in long course and Foster 1:48.5.
Luca Urlando | Carson Foster | |
1:42.99 | 200 IM | 1:42.54 |
1:34.38 | 200 free | 1:32.99 |
43.23 | 100 free | 43.61 |
19.88 | 50 free | 20.11 |
1:42.11 | 200 back | 1:40.07 |
45.66 | 100 back | 46.28 |
2019 NCAA Scoring Times
Here’s a look at the events in which each would have earned an NCAA Invite had they been college swimmers in 2019, plus how their times would have fared at NCAAs. Foster scores half a point more, but Urlando has the only A final appearance:
Luca Urlando | Carson Foster | ||||||
Event | Prelims place | Finals place | Points | Points | Finals place | Prelims place | Event |
200 fly – 1:40.91 | 8th | 6th | 13 | 5 | 12th | 12th | 200 IM – 1:42.54 |
100 fly – 45.62 | 16th | 14th | 3 | 7 | 10th | 9th | 400 IM – 3:40.86 |
200 IM – 1:42.99 | 15th | T-15th | 1.5 | 6 | 11th | T-12th |
200 back – 1:40.07
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100 back – 45.66 | 21st | — | 0 | 0 | — | 17th |
200 free – 1:32.99
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17.5 | 18 |
Ranks Among 16-17-year-olds over past two seasons
We ran a report in USA Swimming’s database, pulling the top times among 16- and 17-year-old boys over the last two seasons (from September 1, 2017 through May 14, 2019). Here is where they both rank in their best events – we only included events in which one or the other ranked inside the top 10, with the exception of the 50 free, which gets some extra relay significance. “N/A” means they didn’t rank inside the top 250 of our report:
Luca Urlando Rank
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Carson Foster Rank
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11th | 50 free | 30th |
7th | 100 free | 15th |
7th | 200 free | 2nd |
2nd | 100 back | 5th |
4th | 200 back | 1st |
N/A | 100 breast | 9th |
1st | 100 fly | 65th |
1st | 200 fly | 6th |
2nd | 200 IM | 1st |
153rd | 400 IM | 1st |
Rate of improvement over past two years
We can focus in on each swimmer’s NCAA invite events from above, tracking the % change (with the formula [new time – old time]/old time) to see who is dropping faster in their top events. That appears to be Urlando, who dropped at about two-and-a-half percent across the board this year, while Foster only dropped closer to a percent per event.
Luca Urlando | Carson Foster | ||||||
Event | Sophomore | Junior | % Change | % Change | Junior | Sophomore | Event |
200 fly | 1:43.55 | 1:40.91 | -2.60% | -1.2% | 1:42.54 | 1:43.79 | 200 IM |
100 fly | 46.70 | 45.62 | -2.3% | -0.4% | 3:40.86 | 3:44.16 | 400 IM |
200 IM | 1:46.69 | 1:42.99 | -3.50% | -1.6% | 1:40.07 | 1:41.66 | 200 back |
100 back | 46.83 | 45.66 | -2.5% | -0.8% | 1:32.99 | 1:33.76 | 200 free |
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I still think Carson Foster is the going to better college athlete. He has more potential in the individual events and the difference in the 100 and 50 freestyle isn’t that big between them and in Carson’s best events he is way better than Luca. I feel like Carson has instant potential for 4 indi titles vs Luca’s 3, which ultimately makes him worth more points.
Sidenote: Do you guys realise both Carson and Luca have better 200 and 100 free times than Townley Haas at their age? I realise that Townley was more of a 500y swimmer at that time, but still. He was a freestyle age group phenom and Carson is over 2 seconds faster in the… Read more »
Depends on the needs of the school
I think we are also overlooking the fact that Carson doesn’t have a “weak stroke”. His “slowest” stroke is breaststroke where he goes a 53.3/1:56.5, which are times that would get you recruited to a D1 program. His 100 and 200 fly times are also dated. I think he would take the cake.
Anyone else see the Phelps and Lochte resemblance? One is a backstroke the others a crazy butterflier but they over lap in the 200im. Don’t say that you can’t compare Luca to Phelps but just think about it.
I would be kind of curious to take like the past few classes of high schoolers coming in and see how they would rank against classes now
Why not both?
Carson has a 42.67 400 free relay split in Speedo Southern Premier. http://results.teamunify.com/sepac/
These guys are both ridiculous. I know it’s wrong to always be looking for “the next Jordan” . . . But these guys can swim everything, They’ve got the LC chops to be international stars . . . Sure feels like Phelps-Lochte 2.0