Using Advanced Stats To Convert Leon Marchand’s Times To Short Course Meters

Courtesy: Dominique Hérailh

The French Swimming Federation has released detailed statistics on all swimming finals at the Paris Olympics, and in this article, we’ll use them to convert Leon Marchand’s long course times into short course meters.

Time converters already exist, but as we know, they can produce varied results, especially in events where underwaters are king (short course backstroke, for example) or for swimmers who excel off the walls.

In the case of Leon Marchand, who is arguably the world’s best underwater kicker right now, time conversions clearly don’t work properly. The most striking example is the conversion of the 400 IM from SCY to LCM: 3:28.82 in SCY corresponds to 3:58.19 in LCM, 4.31 seconds under his world record. Going the opposite way, his 4:02.50 long course PB converts to 3:32.70 in yards, almost four seconds shy of his U.S. Open Record.

Although the performances of Marchand are well known in LCM, they are almost non-existent in SCM, though that figures to change this fall with Marchand aiming to race the three World Cup stops and ultimately the SC World Championships.

The potential of Marchand in short course meters will be a wildly debated topic prior to his appearance at these four meets, and we’ll try to nail down what type of performances we can expect—if he’s at his best.

Methodology for converting LCM to SCM:

The time data collected in Paris will be used:

  • Reaction, Start 15m,
  • Approach to the wall for each turn.
  • Turns (time taken at 15 meters)
  • Swimming Phases 25, 45, 75, 95 for every hundred meters.

For example, in the 200 breast, we can group these stats in the following table by supplementing it with speeds in m/s on all segments of the race.

LCM Distance Time Speed
Start 15 5.95 2.52
15/25 10 6.57 1.522
25/45 20 12.83 1.559
Approach (wall) 5 3.07 1.629
Turn 1 15 9.17 1.636
65/75 10 6.54 1.529
75/95 20 13.40 1.493
Approach (wall) 5 3.06 1.634
Turn 2 15 9.10 1.648
115/125 10 6.66 1.502
125/145 20 13.57 1.474
Approach (wall) 5 3.20 1.563
Turn 3 15 9.24 1.623
165/175 10 6.70 1.493
175/195 20 13.63 1.467
Final 5 3.16 1.582
200 125.85 1.589

With it being the easiest to convert, we’ll start with the 200 breaststroke.

Some data points are the same between the table above and the conversion table, those being the start and final values.

Others must be converted taking into account the following points :

  • The time of the first length of SCM will be deducted from the measured speed between 15 and 25 m, and so on for the other lengths.
  • For turns, we will consider that the time of the first in LCM will be reproduced twice in SCM, the second three times and the last two times. This is unfortunately not based on a measured observation but on an arbitrary decision.

As in most problems to be solved, some data are known (those of Paris), others are unknown. Among the latter, we can mention, without being exhaustive :

  • → The OTW (“Over The Water”) difference in swimming speed between a 65-stroke LCM race and a 35-stroke SCY race.
  • The influence of repeated turns in short course on the speed of the underwaters.
  • Another unknown value, although more marginal, concerns the impact of fatigue on performance between a run of 182.88 meters (SCY) and a run of 200 meters (SCM)

Fortunately, the uncertainty resulting from these unknown values can be reduced significantly. Once the conversion is done in SCM, it will be enough to make another conversion in SCY, where the performances of Marchand are well known. The percentage difference between the result converted in SCY and the records of Marchand’s NCAA records will correct the first two unknowns (difference in swimming speed OTW between LCM and SCM as well as the effect of repetition of turns on their speeds).

Finally, to correct the third unknown we will take, by convention, the ratio between the distances SCY and SCM (182.88/200). This percentage will reduce the previously calculated variance coefficient.

200 Breast

Note that in this event, it is not the time at 15 meters that was taken for the start but the time of the actual length of the underwater since it exceeds 15 meters.

SCM Distance Time Speed SCY Distance Time Speed
Start 17.22 6.42 2.682 Start 17.22 6.42 2.682
OTW 1 2.78 1.83 1.522 OTW 1 0.64 0.42 1.522
Approach 5 3.07 1.629 Approach 1 5 3.07 1.629
Turn 1 15 9.17 1.636 Turn 1 15 9.17 1.636
OTW2 5 3.21 1.559 OTW2 2.86 1.83 1.559
Approach 5 3.07 1.629 Approach 2 5 3.07 1.629
Turn 2 15 9.17 1.636 Turn 2 15 9.17 1.636
OTW 3 5 3.27 1.529 OTW 3 2.86 1.87 1.529
Approach 5 3.06 1.634 Approach 3 5 3.06 1.634
Turn 3 15 9.10 1.648 Turn 3 15 9.10 1.648
OTW 4 5 3.35 1.493 OTW 4 2.86 1.92 1.493
Approach 5 3.06 1.634 Approach 4 5 3.06 1.634
Turn 4 15 9.10 1.648 Turn 4 15 9.10 1.648
OTW 5 5 3.33 1.502 OTW 5 2.86 1.90 1.502
Approach 5 3.06 1.634 Approach 5 5 3.06 1.634
Turn 5 15 9.10 1.648 Turn 5 15 9.10 1.648
OTW 6 5 3.33 1.502 OTW 6 2.86 1.90 1.502
Approach 5 3.20 1.563 Approach 6 5 3.20 1.563
Turn 6 15 9.24 1.623 Turn 6 15 9.24 1.623
OTW 7 5 3.35 1.493 OTW 7 2.86 1.92 1.493
Approach 5 3.20 1.563 Approach 7 5 3.20 1.563
Turn 7 15 9.24 1.623 Turn 7 15 9.24 1.623
OTW 8 5 3.35 1.493 OTW 8 2.86 1.92 1.493
Final 5 3.16 1.582 Final 5 3.16 1.582
200 120.43 1.661 182.88 109.10 1.676

The 1:49.10 conversion to SCY shows a 2.75-second gap from Marchand’s NCAA Record of 1:46.35—or 2.52% (coefficient of -0.0252). As we saw above, the final correction will be to reduce this coefficient in order to integrate the parameter relative to the least effort of a race in SCY vs SCM given the distance difference: -0.0252 x182.88 /200= -0.023

The time converted, assuming Marchand is in the same form as Paris 2024, would be 120.43 x (1- 0.23) = 117.66 or 1:57.66. The world record of Russian Kirill Prigoda, 2:00.16, would be broken by two and a half seconds.

In 2018, when Prigoda broke the SCM world record, he went 2:08.63 in long course meters, nearly three seconds slower than Marchand’s 2:05.85.

This tells us a time in the 1:57.5-1:58.5 range for Marchand would be an accurate prediction, once again assuming peak Olympic form which we can’t count on.

200 Fly

In this event, Marchand has little reference time in SCY. His best time was set in 2022 when he clocked 1:39.57. That year, he swam the LCM 200 fly in 1:53.37. In Paris, he set a new Olympic Record of 1:51.21.

If he theoretically dropped the same amount of time in the yards event, he would go 1:37.41 (taking off 2.16 seconds in two years like he did in LCM).

In my opinion, this value is not entirely accurate for various reasons. One easy example to point out is that Ilya Kharun went 1:37.93 this past season in yards while finishing 1.59 seconds behind Marchand in Paris. Two reference values can therefore be reasonably taken: one corresponding to the minimum possible (1:37.41) and another close to the highest of its current potential (1:36.50).

With the same method, the conversion without correction would result in 1:47.71 for SCM races and 1:37.66 for SCY races.

By applying the correction coefficients according to the principles already stated, we obtain 1:47.46 in average value and 1:46.54 in high value.

Only in this second hypothesis, the world record of Tomoru Honda would be beaten by 0.31 sec.

The time range to consider could be between 1:46.50 and 1:47.50.

200 IM

The 200 IM is not an easy race to convert, as some data collected in the long course event aren’t transferrable into either short course format. This is particularly the case with certain turns (turns with hands, turns with feet) and wall approaches. Data from other races (200 fly, 200 breast, 400 IM) that were consistent with the missing number were used instead.

The best reference time of Marchand on the 200 IM SCY is 1:36.34.

Converting without correction would give 1:49.91 for SCM races and 1:39.48 for SCY races.

By applying the correction coefficients according to the principles already stated, we obtain 1:46.74.

Ryan Lochte’s world record of 1:49.63 would be broken by a whopping 2.89 seconds.

That puts Marchand’s expected time in the 1:46.75 to 1:47.75 range. However, it’s important to remember that Lochte (1:54.00) is still faster than Marchand in long course.

400 IM

The data measured in Paris is not quite the same in the 400 IM as it is for the others, other than the start and turns. The reason things aren’t as exact is because the distance swimmers travel underwater tends to decrease throughout the race. However, this is not necessarily the case for Marchand, so I went in and took the real time and distances of his underwaters.

The intermediate split points are slightly modified from the other events (start, 25, 45 50, 55, 75, 95, 100), and like the 200 IM, adjustments were made for the turns.

The best reference time of Marchand on the 400 IM SCY is 3:28.82.

The conversion without correction would result in 3:53.29 for SCM and 3:31.33 for SCY.

Before the corrections were even made, Daiya Seto’s world record of 3:54.81 would be absolutely shattered. The corrected result would be 3:50.45 for Marhcnad. The world record would be broken by more than four seconds.

Anywhere in the 3:50.5-3:51.5 would be the range we’d see from Marchand if at his best.

Conclusion

Based on his performances in Paris 2024, three SCM world records seem to be within reach of Marchand, while a fourth is possible but far less clear.

World Record Average estimate High estimate
200 Breast 2:00.16 1:58.50 1:57.50
200 Fly 1:46.85 1:47.50 1:46.50
200 IM 1:49.63 1:47.75 1:46.75
400 IM 3:54.81 3:51.50 3:50.50

The 200 fly record seems to be the hardest to break. The lack of recent performances from Marchand in short course yards does not allow for fine-tuning estimates.

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Andy Hardt
3 months ago

Love this analysis! I want to extoll its virtues by pushing back against some of the negative comments below.

A few of the comments (not all!) focus ONLY on the output times and not the process. e.g. the comment of Mclovineta below. Yes, 1:46 is a *very* fast prediction for the 200 IM, but a comment that merely says “that’s unrealistic” without any other analysis is (imo) missing the point.

1) It’s quite easy actually for any of us to give a rough guess of Marchand’s short course times. Take the world records and add or subtract 1-2 seconds as necessary. We know a lot about the sport and have great intuition. On the contrary, it’s very hard to make… Read more »

Dom from France
Reply to  Andy Hardt
3 months ago

Good analysis and argumentation.
It is true that to improve a model which is surely perfectible, it is better to say: “here there is an error or it is incomplete, this or that parameter is missing, there the reasoning is wrong for this or that reason etc.”

Meathead
3 months ago

I’d love to see this for Gretchen, Kate Douglass, and Jordan C

Greenangel
3 months ago

This is a part on an interview Marchand gave yesterday (09.18) to French media after celebrations in his home town of Toulouse.
Obviously, it’s tough ( normal…) but he already swims fast .
How was your return to training at the start of the week?
It was hard. I took a month and a half off and it’s one of the first times I’ve done this. The feeling is not very good in the water, but I can still swim quite quickly. I started again with quite a bit of intensity and I had a lot of aches. »

Last edited 3 months ago by Greenangel
Dom from France
Reply to  Greenangel
3 months ago

I was there and I can tell you that despite the stars of rugby present, the most deafening applause was for him.
When asked about his goals, he said that he was already thinking of LA and hoping to do as well as Paris. When he passed me, he thought I was going to ask him for a selfie like all the other fans but I asked him to take a photo to send it to SwimSwam. All smiling, he took the pose with thumbs up. Emotion no doubt, but I put my finger on the camera lens. damn!!

Mclovineta
3 months ago

Lochte was really good underwater and he had a better LCM pb in the 200im. There is no way Leon beats his time by more than 2 seconds. Be real

4 kick pullout
Reply to  Mclovineta
3 months ago

He beat his scy time by 3.7s… whats the difference? And Lochte was already a pro when he went the 1:40.08 in yards.

Mr Piano
Reply to  4 kick pullout
3 months ago

Lochte was miles ahead in every way in 2012 compared to where he was in 2006. Especially on the underwaters. He was totally capable of going 1:37 or 1:36 in the 200 IM in his prime.

dirtswimmer
Reply to  4 kick pullout
3 months ago

Bad comparison. 2006 Lochte’s 200im PB was 1:56.1. By 2012 he was 1:54.0. I do think Leon would be able to beat that record by a second or two, but using 2006 Lochte is a bad metric to compare.

Mclovineta
Reply to  4 kick pullout
3 months ago

What was his LCM when he went 1’40?

greenangel
Reply to  Mclovineta
3 months ago

I might agree with you but… it’s Marchand. For 3 years, I read so many things about Marchand from swimswam fans.

No way Marchand goes under 3:30 on the 400 IM SCY, no way Marchand breaks Phelps’ 400 IM WR
No way of Marchand achieving the dirty double in the Olympics. (200 breast/200 fly)
No way he beats Milak.

No way Marchand does this, no way Marchand does that, no way, no way, no way.

And we’ve seen the results. Marchand destroyed everything since 2021.

So I won’t be as affirmative as you.

snailSpace
Reply to  greenangel
3 months ago

He needed a healthy serving of luck to accomplish some of that, which will eventually run out.

That being said, I think he will absolutely break all 4 of these WRs.

greenangel
Reply to  snailSpace
3 months ago

“a healthy serving of luck” ? Are you kidding ?

It’s not luck for 3 years but talent and hard work…

snailSpace
Reply to  greenangel
3 months ago

He wasn’t faster than the recent best of some of his opponents. Both Qin and Milak having problems happened to coincide with the Paris Olympics. That’s luck.

greenangel
Reply to  snailSpace
3 months ago

So ? Then ?
Are you sure that both Milak and Qin at 100% would have swum faster than Marchand at the Olympics ?
You don’t know, I don’t know. Maybe Marchand would have beaten them anyway.
It’s easy to rewrite the story after the events. But talking of luck for Marchand is a non sense. Sorry.

Last edited 3 months ago by greenangel
snailSpace
Reply to  greenangel
3 months ago

Nah, circumstance is something that has to be considered when evaluating performance. Phelps has beaten peak Cseh, Cavic and Lochte in 2008. Dressel triumphed over peak Milak and Chalmers in 2021. That doesn’t make those 4 golds of Marchand any less shiny, but it does put some of them into context.

And yes, of course I am sure. Qin at 100% is 2:05.48. Milak at 100% is 1:50.34. They are both around peak age, so there is no reason they should have been any slower than that at 100%.

Dom from France
Reply to  snailSpace
3 months ago

If we follow your reasoning, Marchand was not 100% either since he didn’t break his record of the 400IM.
Breaking 4 Olympic records on 4 races requires more than luck!

Koen
Reply to  Mclovineta
3 months ago

It’s hard to compare though, because at the same time: Sates has been 1:50:15 (less than 0.5 off the WR), and he’s not even in the top 25 LCM. It’s not impossible to assume that, as legendary as Lochte’s 2010 SC Worlds was, it wasn’t on par with his 2011 LC Worlds 🙂 So the question is how Marchand shows up in a SCM meet in terms of form

Joel
3 months ago

Those world records set by Honda, Lochte and Seto are still going to be harder to break than this article suggests.

Octavio Gupta
Reply to  Joel
3 months ago

They’ll be obliterated

cheese
3 months ago

I think Marchand is capable of breaking a record, but these feel a bit generous given how the Olympic comedown likely won’t translate to Marchand hitting his SCY/LCM peak equivalents in SCM less than four months after the biggest taper of his career so far. He’ll absolutely go lifetime bests, but I don’t think his full capacity is going to be on display.

I appreciate the full breakdown of the 200 breast, but the remaining races (namely the 200 IM) feel less thoroughly assessed. I don’t envision the Lochte record falling if Marchand couldn’t take out the LCM one at the Olympics. I’d also wager he mixes up his event line-up a bit.

Swammer
3 months ago

This is so swim nerdy, I love it

Greenangel
3 months ago

The question is : what kind of Marchand we’ll get in December ? A Marchand at 100%, 90%, 80 % ? Obviously, he won’t be able to have the same shape that in Olympics. He just came back to training. With three World cup stops in October and travels in Asia, jetlag. So less training. If Marchand is in a 100% shape, times are accurate and we may expect big times. I agree with 200 breast, 200 IM and 400 IM. He might rewrite history books.