Another One: Katherine Wagner Transfers from ASU to Minnesota

The Arizona State revolving door keeps spinning, as Chatsworth, Calif., native Katherine Wagner has announced her decision to leave ASU to pursue new opportunities at Minnesota. After two seasons in Tempe, Wagner will have two more left in Minneapolis.

TOP TIMES

  • 50y free – 22.54
  • 100y free – 49.41
  • 200y free – 1:49.82
  • 100y fly – 55.31

Wagner is primarily a sprint freestyler. While she did not score individually at Pac-12’s as a freshman, Wagner did race in the 50 free B final and 100 free C final this season at the 2018 Pac-12 Championships.

Minnesota has struggled to grow a sizable sprint free group in recent years, so Wagner will be a welcome addition– especially when considering the fact that Minnesota just graduated Danielle Nack, the Gophers’ best 50 freestyler during the 2017-18 season.

With her current bests, Wagner would’ve been a B finalist at the 2018 B1G Championships in both the 50 and 100 free, her best events.

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Swimmer
3 years ago

What is going on?

Realitycheck
Reply to  Swimmer
3 years ago

PAC 12 has Cal, Stanford, USC…B1G not so much…if you can contribute and want to make confrence you transfer…its been that way since time began. Social media adds lots of hype!

Reply to  Realitycheck
3 years ago

I’m not sure that’s the case. Big Ten has Michigan, Indiana and Minnesota, all top 10 programs last year. That’s one more top 10 program than the Pac-12 had on the women’s side. And the Big Ten was deeper than the Pac-12 – in fact, Wagner would have placed lower in all three of her events in the Big Ten compared to where she placed at Pac-12s. She’s certainly not leaving for an easier conference.

Brutus
Reply to  Swimmer
3 years ago

Some are not destined for greatness. Coach B is the guy who stewarded Phelps for Pete’s sake!

Justin
Reply to  Brutus
3 years ago

Yeah but he coached Michael. Just Michael. If you look at other top coaches they have a lot more of well rounded success. Not just one stand out athlete.

Scott Morgan
Reply to  Justin
3 years ago

I would call Allison Schmitt pretty standout! Chase Kalisz as well. PVK was excellent.

Scott Morgan
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

Guess people don’t like gold and silver olympic medalists. Please feel free to keep down-voting. LOL.

Mogo
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

There’s a huge difference between an Olympian and college Student athlete. College students have school demands, study hall, practice time and dryland. An Olympic athlete devotes a huge portion of time to their training. These kids are student-athletes! Not professional swimmers!

meeeeee
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

PVK was mostly Urbanchek.

Cate
Reply to  Justin
3 years ago

You seem to be forgetting Allison Schmitt and Chase Kalisz

Gorb
Reply to  Cate
3 years ago

Georgia. Bob gets some credit, but UGA gets most.

Realitycheck
Reply to  Swimmer
3 years ago

PAC 12 has Cal, Stanford, USC…B1G not so much…if you can contribute and want to make confrence you transfer…its been that way since time began. Social media adds lots of hype!

Remiws
Reply to  Swimmer
3 years ago

Slow on out tracker, fast on in tracker! Some sign up and expect what they had in club…sets here aren’t for the faint of heart! Most coaches look at their freshman class and sophmores and say by jr year 1/2 of you wont be here. Fact

Justin Wright
Reply to  Remiws
3 years ago

Your argument here is that a really high turnover rate is a good thing? Special things happen when a senior class makes it all four years together. Not completely sure whats happening here, but we had an exteremly controvercial coaching change last year and had less turnover than this. For all I know it’s no big deal, but trust me when I say it really does matter when you make it to the end with the same guys you started with.

Swimmash
Reply to  Justin Wright
3 years ago

It didnt appear to be an argument…simple fact. Yes athletes should be able to finish 4 years but it isnt always their choice. Someone should do a roster study of the last 4 freshman classes and rank programs on retention where eligibility and injury were not determining factors. You cant argue it would be interesting.

dmswim
Reply to  Remiws
3 years ago

This may start to affect recruiting. With this many transfers, especially if they are due to ASU cutting people, recruits should think twice about signing especially if there’s a big incoming class. When I was looking at schools I definitely looked at transfer rates and asked coaches about why people transferred. While no one ever thinks they’ll be the one who gets cut, stats tell a story that recruits should be cautious about.

Golden Gophers
3 years ago

Congrats Katherine! Future 21 right there

jakob
3 years ago

Mostly men are transferring in with the exception of a few women. It would seem this environment and training style is not female friendly.

Gghggg
Reply to  jakob
3 years ago

This honestly makes sense. Because I remember a World record named Katie Hoff leave Bowman as well and it was clear that his practices/style of training was emotionally to rough on her. So I can see this being a true statement.

CraigH
Reply to  Gghggg
3 years ago

Pretty sure that Hoff was with Yetter pretty much the entire time she was at NBAC.

Scott Morgan
Reply to  Gghggg
3 years ago

And I’m sure it makes little sense, with Allison Schmitt among others.

Mark Wilson
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

One high performing female swimmer over a 30+ yr career doesn’t help prove he’s a good women’s coach. None of the top 20 female high school swimmers sign to swim at ASU. They prefer other coaches with track records of developing female swimmers. ASU women had a terrible NCAA meet. The relays were last or near last along with some individuals. ASU fans like to talk up the 3rd place showing at PACs, but that was because of diving points (points breakdown on swimswam). Top point scorer was a diver, 3 of top 5 point scorers were divers. Remove diving points from ASU, USC and U of A, and ASU would be 5th, behind those two. This is not an… Read more »

SwimGeek
Reply to  Gghggg
3 years ago

Hoff never swam for Bowman

Matterson
Reply to  SwimGeek
3 years ago

Hoff did swim a short period with Bowman post ‘08, but was with Yetter through most of her time at NBAC

ASU moves
3 years ago

Having spoken to several ASU swimmers it seems like the team chemistry isn’t what we on the outside believe it to be.
Swimmers feel like a coach on the team is a know it all and isn’t open to opinions. Most also believe that Bob isn’t there on a regular enough basis. Most wouldn’t be surprised if more people transferred out. It is unfortunate as ASU seemed to have had a good thing going

Scott Morgan
Reply to  ASU moves
3 years ago

Nice hearsay nonsense. Evidence?

A non-e mouse
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

What exactly would you think evidence would be on an internet message board?

Sccoach
Reply to  A non-e mouse
3 years ago

If I’m going to post inside info on a message board I’d only do so by using my real name as my screen name to show that I have some credibility. And I’d post who is saying what instead of using words like “several people are saying this” and “swimmer’s feel like this” and “most believe this.”

Not doing so is hearsay nonsense. I agree with Scott.

ASU moves
Reply to  Sccoach
3 years ago

When swimmers talk in earnest and someone is a collective voice, why exactly would they let their names be known publicly?? If they decided to announce this publicly they would definitely be victimized by the current coaching staff. Those who have “spoken” out have transferred, why not ask them their opinions and reasons?

Remiws
Reply to  A non-e mouse
3 years ago

Something more than hearsay

Swim5672
Reply to  ASU moves
3 years ago

Not really sure who you’ve spoken to, but most of US at asu are happy here! Of course there are people who felt opposite but don’t let a few opinions speak for the whole men’s and women’s swim team.

Mark Wilson
Reply to  Swim5672
3 years ago

So the ASU supporters are criticizing others for posting anonymously when it makes ASU look bad, yet here is someone claiming to be an ASU swimmer posting anonymously. I hope your standards are the same for this. Unless you post under your real name and let us know who you are, how are we to know this isn’t an ASU parent or coach or fan?

Superfan
3 years ago

Sign a lot
Survival of the fittest
Creme rises to top and those that don’t make it transfer

Reasonabledoubt
3 years ago

Not surprising I mean bob bowman did ruin yannick angel, lotte fris, and Dwyer’s careers. Michael Phelps was the most talented swimmer of all time imagine if he trained with someone like Reese or durden.

Scott Morgan
Reply to  Reasonabledoubt
3 years ago

Hogwash.

SwimGeek
Reply to  Scott Morgan
3 years ago

Are you suggesting Agnel thrived under Bowman?

Cate
Reply to  Reasonabledoubt
3 years ago

Baloney

sven
Reply to  Reasonabledoubt
3 years ago

I think Bowman was a great coach for Phelps, but not most others. Phelps’ recovery is legendary and Bowman is a legendary grinder, so of course Phelps could handle the workload enough to get the benefits. Any swimmer who doesn’t have that same recovery is just gonna get trained into the ground, which I think is what happened with all those other pros. So I don’t think Bowman is a bad coach, just a coach for a certain kind of athlete.

THEO
Reply to  sven
3 years ago

Phelps also performed best when he was super angry. He responded better to criticism and to challenges of the “bet you can’t do this” sort than any other swimmer I am aware of. If what people say about Bowman having a harsh style is true, I can totally see Phelps internalizing that intense dialogue in a more productive way than most.

A non-e mouse
3 years ago

Whats a more iconic duo: ASU and transfers or Tom Shields and pianos?

Becky D
Reply to  A non-e mouse
3 years ago

Or — Schooling and fast times in the warmup pool.

dmswim
Reply to  A non-e mouse
3 years ago

Or Dressel and changing in a stall.

Another one
3 years ago

Add Meghan Burton to your transfer out column for ASU – She is headed to George Washington

Cecille Waller
Reply to  Another one
3 years ago

Everyone wants to have their 15 minute fame at the expense of ASU! Burton was injured last December that is why she left.

Another one
Reply to  Cecille Waller
3 years ago

Not sure what your point is? Meghan Burton has transferred and is headed to GW. How is this 15 minutes of fame? What does an injury have to do with transferring? Do all swimmers that get injured transfer?

About Karl Ortegon

Karl Ortegon

Karl Ortegon studied sociology at Wesleyan University in Middletown, CT, graduating in May of 2018. He began swimming on a club team in first grade and swam four years for Wesleyan.

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