With Grimes In, Can Virginia Match Stanford & Florida With 13 NCAA Event Wins at One Meet?

With the addition of Katie Grimes to the University of Virginia’s already-loaded roster this season, the Cavaliers picked up a potential 50-point NCAA scorer and another leg for their 800 free relay as they march onward toward what seems to be another inevitable NCAA team title.

While the win seems in hand (barring a disaster), the bigger questions about historical context still linger.

A fifth-straight title will match the run of the Stanford women from 1992-1996 as the most-dominant run in women’s NCAA Division I history. It will also match Auburn (who won five titles in six seasons in the 2000s) for fourth on the all-time list among NCAA programs.

But there are even bigger questions I think are worth asking.

For example, can they match the record for most NCAA titles won by a team in a single season, which currently sits at 13 by the Florida women (in the 1982 and 1988 seasons) and the Stanford women (in the 1993 and 2018 seasons)?

The most recent performance of that was a team that included both Katie Ledecky, and Simone Manuel, with an all-time great college swimmer like Ella Eastin and an Olympian Brooke Forde serving as some of the best “third fiddles” the sport has ever seen.

This Virginia team has that kind of depth, but with the addition of Grimes, they also have that kind of breadth. Their best win results so far are 11 event titles in each of the last two seasons.

Winning 13 events is no small feat, especially without a diver likely to win titles. While Lizzie Kaye has brought First Team All-America results to Virginia diving and further elevated them, it would be tough for her to get past Aranza Vazquez of UNC, among others, to win titles.

That would mean that Virginia would need to win 13 out of 18 swimming events to match the record.

If the Virginia coaches and athletes prioritize that goal, I think it’s doable. But that would require, for example, Alex Walsh to drop the 400 IM: an event in which she’s the three-time defending NCAA Champion. That would sound like a crazy suggestion anywhere else, but she dropped the 200 fly last year as the defending runner-up.

But the more likely scenario, for me, is that Katie Grimes does a day 4 double – again, if the Cavaliers want to chase this piece of history. The women’s 1650 free and the 200 fly are relatively-far apart on the final day schedule. A swimmer of Grimes’ caliber should be able to do both. While the 200 fly has some good swimmers in it (Emma Sticklen as a 5th year, maybe getting a little Bob Bowman training in, could put up something special), Grimes’ best time of 1:52.28 from a lowkey Sectionals meet in December 2022 would put her 2nd among all returners.

Besides inserting herself as a heavy favorite in two events where Virginia had limited title prospects, the 500 free and 1650 free, she also gives them a very good leg in the 800 free relay, which is the only relay that Virginia didn’t win at NCAAs last year. They finished 4th in 6:51.41, almost three seconds behind Florida.

Florida lost their #2 leg Isabel Ivey, while Virginia lost their #3 leg Ella Nelson. Depending on how the Cavaliers use their resources (like shifting Maxine Parker to the 800), Grimes’ best of 1:42.90 could be the difference-maker there. She’s a no-doubt leg for this relay, as she seems like an unlikely choice for Virginia’s 200 medley relay (unless they get creative for the backstroke leg?).

At any rate, when I run through the Virginia roster, I see 13 events where the Cavaliers are favorites; and then a 200 fly where there’s a big choice to make, the 800 free relay, and Claire Curzan in the 200 back as the best bets to break the record.

Curzan, a transfer from Stanford, also occupies a space where Virginia otherwise is a longshot to win – though they have the country’s best 100 backstroker on their roster already in Gretchen Walsh, but she chose the 100 fly last season.

There are then three other events where the Virginia women have an outside chance, but I wouldn’t bet on it. In the 200 free, Aimee Canny would have to take out Grimes’ former club teammate Bella Sims, among others. In the 100 back, Reilly Tiltmann was only 12th at NCAAs last year, but her finals time was just .8 behind the top returner Isabelle Stadden, and her best time was faster than Stadden’s runner-up swim. And in the 100 breast, Emma Weber will face a tough field with the likes of Mona McSharry and Kaitlyn Dobler, but some things cleared out with no Jasmine Nocentini, no Anna Elendt, and no Lydia Jacoby. After Weber made a surprise U.S. Olympic Team in June, she’ll be riding a big wave of confidence going into her junior season.

I see the ceiling of this team as 17 wins, with a floor of 11 (if Bella Sims finds her footings at Florida as a sophomore, Grimes’ favorite status is up for grabs).

Possible Virginia Wins, 2025 NCAA Championships

Favorites Co-Favorites
Puncher’s Chance
50 free Gretchen Walsh
100 free Gretchen Walsh
200 free Aimee Canny
500 free Katie Grimes Bailey Hartman
1650 free Katie Grimes
100 back Claire Curzan Reilly Tiltmann
200 back Claire Curzan
100 fly Gretchen Walsh Claire Curzan
200 fly Katie Grimes Tess Howley
100 breast Emma Weber
200 breast Alex Walsh
200 IM Alex Walsh Leah Hayes
400 IM Alex Walsh
200 free relay Yes
400 free relay Yes
800 free relay Yes
200 medley relay Yes
400 medley relay Yes

Past 13-Win Performances

Note that Florida’s 1982 13-win meet was with an extra event, the 100 IM, 50 back, 50 breast, and 50 fly included that weren’t available at any other NCAA Championship meet aside from 1983.

Florida 1982 Florida 1988 Stanford 1993 Stanford 2018
50 free Dara Torres (tie) Jenny Thompson Simone Manuel
100 free Amy Caulkins Dara Torres (tie) Jenny Thompson Simone Manuel
200 free Tami Bruce
500 free Tami Bruce LIsa Jacob Katie Ledecky
1650 free Tami Bruce Katie Ledecky
50 back N/A N/A N/A
100 back Lea Loveless Ally Howe
200 back Lea Loveless
50 fly N/A N/A N/A
100 fly Tracy Caulkins Dara Torres Janel Jorgensen
200 fly Tracy Caulkins Julie Gorman Janel Jorgensen Ella Eastin
50 breast Kathy Treible N/A N/A N/A
100 breast Kathy Treible
200 breast Kathy Treible
100 IM Tracy Caulkins N/A N/A N/A
200 IM Tracy Caulkins Julie Gorman Ella Eastin
400 IM Tracy Caulkins Julie Gorman Ella Eastin
200 free relay Edwards, Loveless, Jorgenson, Thompson
Hu, Manuel, Pitzer, Howe
400 free relay
Zemina, Cowart, Daniels, Torres
Hu, Eastin, Drabot, Manuel
800 free relay Zemina, Cowart, Daniels, Bruce Jacob, Skillman, Jorgensen, Thompson
Drabot, Eastin, Forde, Ledecky
200 medley relay Andrews, Treible, A. Caulkins, Cross Perkins, Zunich, Torres, Zock Loveless, Heisick, Crowe, Thompson
Howe, Williams, Hu, Manuel
400 medley relay Andrews, Terible, T. Caulkins, Kurtzman Perkins, Zunich, Gorman, Torres Loveless, Heisick, Jorgensen, Jacob
Howe, Williams, Hu, Manuel
1 meter Megan Neyer
3 meter Megan Neyer Eileen Richetelli
platform N/A N/A Eileen Richetelli
13 13 13 13

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Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
30 days ago

For the University of Virginia, it’s a minimum of 600 team points or bust.

Rich Teller
Reply to  Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
29 days ago

Agree, that’s the over-under for this round.

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
30 days ago

The weakest individual events for the University of Virginia:

W 100 BR (Weber)
W 200 FL (Howley)
W 200 FR (Canny)

Based on potential, Anna Moesch should strengthen the University of Virginia in the W 200 FR more so than Zoe Skirboll in the W 100 BR and Maggie Schalow in the W 200 FL.

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
30 days ago

University of Virginia

Women’s 4 x 50 (SCY) medley relay:
C. Curzan – E. Weber – G. Walsh – M. Parker

Emma Weber is the key to the women’s 4 x 50 (SCY) medley relay replacing Jasmine Nocentini in the breaststroke leg. Maxine Parker gets the nod over Anna Moesch due to the experience. As for Gretchen Walsh swimming the women’s 4 x 50 (SCY) medley relay, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Women’s 4 x 200 (SCY) freestyle relay:
A. Canny – A. Walsh – ???? – ????

Candidates to replace Ella Nelson and Reilly Tiltman in the women’s 4 x 200 (SCY) freestyle relay: C. Gormsen, K. Grimes, L. Hayes, A. Moesch

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
30 days ago

It’s up to Claire Curzan to win the 100 BK/200 BK double.

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
30 days ago

Katie Grimes is not swimming the 1650 FR/200 FL double.

zthomas
1 month ago

If the objective was to win all 13 events, clearly it should not be, you could come up with some crazy lineups trying to achieve that. The most obvious being you don’t need Alex in the 400 IM with Grimes there as well so what hole can you fill with Alex’s 3rd swim? Maybe go for the Marchand (2 fly 2 breast)?!!?

Fun to think about, but only in theory.

Retired Swimdad
Reply to  zthomas
1 month ago

It’s 13 out of 18 events and like Braden showed in the chart for this article they are the favorite in 13 events. They also have 3 other events which they are the co favorite. A lot of people talk about how Desorbo is great at training breaststroke but I think he is even better at the fly. The past and current 100 fly record holders, the current 200 fly record holder and Howley and Harter each cut over two seconds in their 200 fly times to make the A finals last year. So Alex swims her 400 IM because she wants that record and Grime and Howley swims the 200 Fly. Just imagine what Grimes could do with her… Read more »

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
Reply to  Retired Swimdad
30 days ago

As for the individual events:

50 FR, 100 FR, 500 FR (Grimes vs Sims), 1650 FR, 100 BK, 200 BK, 200 BR, 100 FL (G. Walsh vs Huske), 200 IM, 400 IM are doable. Does Torri Huske swim the 50 FR or 200 IM on Day 2?

100 BR, 200 FR, 200 FL are longshots unless Emma Weber experiences an epiphany in the breaststroke.

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
Reply to  zthomas
30 days ago

The objective is to accrue the most points not to win the most individual events.

Breezeway
1 month ago

You guys got a lot of confidence in Curzan in these backstrokes after she folded last June. Especially with Noble, Shackley, Bacon, Stadden, Mary-Ambre, etc

Last edited 1 month ago by Breezeway
Go Bucky
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

I mean, Claire was like .06 off qualifying in June. She also beat many of those girls in that very race, and also the year before when she won at NCAAs. Bacon is better at LCM and Claire’s SCY PB is better so I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch that she at least wins the 200.

Eddie
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

Curzan is the better swimmer – it’s ok to have a bad meet. Don’t sleep on her this year at Virginia

Breezeway
Reply to  Eddie
1 month ago

2 trials in a row. Bad meet or trend?

iLikePsych
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

She was literally in the hospital days before that first trials meet…

jeff
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

she has the fastest SCY personal bests and improved on her PB in both LCM events this year, ill take my chances

Pea brain
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

She was literally ncaa champion last time she swam and 3rd in the 100 back behind 2 swimmers who won’t be in it this year

Breezeway
Reply to  Pea brain
1 month ago

She was also 24.1 around that time. Where did that go?

Go Bucky
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

That time is definitely sus. I mean, she has plateaued a bit in the sprints but her 200 back has gotten a lot better. A trade off of training for it, maybe. Either way, she’s been on a downward “trend” for 3 years in the sprints and still managed to come within a hair of qualifying for the Olympics and win the NCAA in one of the most competitive events in the last 18 months

Ashe
Reply to  Go Bucky
1 month ago

But she did put up a 22.2 50 fly split the other weekend, that’s certainly sprinting

jeff
Reply to  Breezeway
1 month ago

by “around that time”, you mean 2 years prior?

Rich Teller
Reply to  Breezeway
30 days ago

I don’t get this take on Curzan. For crying out loud she’s a former #1 and is top ten in the world in 3 events (LCM). Calling her a “folder” is plain stupid. As a freshman at Stanford she was elite. If anything, this article and the one on the Grimes commitment aren’t really respecting her re-emergence in NCAAs.

Weinstein-Madden-Ledecky-Gemmell
Reply to  Rich Teller
30 days ago

The definition of fold is the University of Texas women’s swimming program. How many titles has Carol Capitani won?

Viking Steve
1 month ago

Uh… Gretchen Walsh does not have any ‘co-favorite’ in the 100fly…. at all…sheer domination incoming

Last edited 1 month ago by Viking Steve

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