Shayna Jack on World Records, Racing Katie Ledecky, & Partnership with Dean Boxall

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SwimSwam sat down with Shayna Jack, the Australian sprint star who was part of 3 world record relays at the 2023 World Championships and split 51+ in a 100 free more than any other competitor at the meet (4).

Jack discusses what makes the training environment at St. Peters Western under Dean Boxall so electric, the culture Australia has developed in women’s sprinting, and her strategy for racing Katie Ledecky and Summer McIntosh in the 200 free.

  • 0:00 Shayna Jack Introduction
  • 4:45 Splitting 51.XX Four Times in 8 Days
  • 8:48 Disappointing AUS Trials
  • 11:20 800 Free Relay
  • 17:24 Racing Katie Ledecky & Summer McIntosh
  • 19:45 AUS Women’s Sprinting
  • 24:50 Improving Back End Speed
  • 26:37 St. Peters Western Training
  • 33:24 Secret to Finishing Races
  • 37:23 Training with Brother, Jaime
  • 41:00 Dating a Professional Athlete
  • 44:34 Dean Boxall
  • 48:14 Perspective


Music: Otis McDonald

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29 days ago

Fast swim watch: 14 yo Sienna Toohey went 1:08.96 (!) a couple of days ago at school nationals in the 100 breast. That’s #2 all time behind Leisel Jones’s 1:08.30.

Reply to  Troyy
28 days ago

Very impressive. While much attention was on Olympia Pope at the Age Nationals, there were some other swimmers (like Sienna) doing noteworthy 100BR times in that age group, and the one below. Great to see that she has progressed so much in just 3-4 months.

Reply to  SNygans01
28 days ago

Yep, there’s a group of them making noise in the 13-15 ages. Four girls in that group have been sub 1:10 this year when it’s been a few years since anyone in that age range did it.

Can’t kick can’t pull
30 days ago

C1 has been doing this elite sprinting jam since before dean boxall was invented

Fukuoka Gold
Reply to  Can’t kick can’t pull
30 days ago

Simon Cusack is also against doing much weight training.

Had Thorpe coached by Bowman, and C1 coached by Bohl they’d have accomplished so much more.

Reply to  Fukuoka Gold
30 days ago

Angel worked out well under Bowman…

Reply to  AquaDuck
30 days ago

Angel’s attention was elsewhere………

Fukuoka Gold
1 month ago

Cate Campbell should have trained with Boxall. Hugely talented, but didn’t get the right coaching.

Similar to Thorpe situation.

Massive talent, meh coaching.

M d e
Reply to  Fukuoka Gold
30 days ago

What are you talking about. She held the WR she was developed tremendously.

Also she was already considering retirement before Boxall was a head coach.

Mmm hmmm
Reply to  M d e
27 days ago

Boxall seems to unlock the competitor in his swimmers and trains that into his swimmers. They seem to perform in finals relatively consistently (Winnington maybe less consistent)

1 month ago

While I found the interview interesting, it didn’t leave me with a positive impression of Jack. While she out split Ledecky and Summer on the final 50 of the 4 x 200, she didn’t “leave them in the dust,” as she said. I am willing to accept that perhaps I don’t get Australian cheekiness…

Reply to  zThomas
30 days ago

It’s not cheekiness, its vanity.”Left her in the dust”..what a clown.

Reply to  bob
30 days ago

She was merely explaining her thought process during the race .. what do you expect an athlete to think? Oh no Katie is gonna beat me I should cower and let her pass me ? It’s a competitive race environment not an overtake lane on Route66

Reply to  bob
30 days ago

You guys are not listening properly, or just hearing what you want to hear.
‘Leave them in the dust’ was what she told herself she was striving to do, in that moment.
It wasn’t her assessment of what she actually did to Katie and Summer, after the fact.

Are we going to have US fans denying a swimmer the right to tell themselves (ie. simply think a thought) something that boosts their immediate performance, against an incredibly strong rival?

No-one could listen to that interview and say that Shayna was anything but respectful – and a fan – of KL. Plus she is openly acknowledging she’s not a genuine leading 200 free swimmer.

Reply to  zThomas
30 days ago

If you trim down the quote it looks much worse than what she said, which was “I’m going to go into the wall hard, turn and leave her in my dust as much as I can.”

The context being that she had swum a controlled race and then sprinted the final 50m which is the opposite of her usual fly and die style. She was talking about how she pulled away in the final moments after Katie had bridged the gap over the first 150 not about dominating the entire race.

Shayna seemed very aware of her splits and her competitors splits so she would know that Katie out split her.

Fukuoka Gold
Reply to  Laps
30 days ago

I swear Swimswam readers prefer swimmers not to offer anything insightful and prefer swimmers to say

“I just tried to do my best”

Reply to  Fukuoka Gold
30 days ago

No its only relevant for posts about Aussie swimmers.. they try to pick apart everything Aussie swimmers say and micro focus on anything remotely perceived as Anti-American

Reply to  zThomas
30 days ago

As other commenters have said below, she said she would try to leave them in the dust as much as she could. And by the end of her swim she was over a second ahead of Katie, after almost being caught by her after about 125 m. So, she did what she was trying to do.

DP Spellman
Reply to  Mark69
24 days ago

I’m a club coach in America and I get what she is saying……and appreciate her competitiveness!

1 month ago

They are both evil Russians

1 month ago

dating an athlete.

1 month ago

Can’t give away her secret(drugs)…

1 month ago

When in good shape it takes both of them around 24 seconds flat to swim a 50m freestyle.

Reply to  Markster
1 month ago

I really enjoyed this lol

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