Mexican Swimmers Claim Universiade Entry Error Led to Falsified Times

As a follow-up to our report last night about some irregularities in the times submitted by the Mexican Swimming Federation, early on Thursday morning, FINA has acknowledged our question, but has still not provided any comment.

Christer Magnusson, a member of the FINA Swimming Technical Committee and the organizer of the website scmsom.se, the only place we could find many of these entry times recorded (as updated, undated National Records) did respond early Thursday. Magnusson explained that when he updated the Mexican Records on his site, he used the start lists from Kazan as a source, presuming they were correct. Magnusson says that he cannot speak on behalf of FINA, but that he saw the times on the start lists like the rest of the world, and uses those lists as one of many sources to maintain massive amounts of data on his site.

Since last night, we have received some requests to lay out the entry times as compared to the relevant standards. You can read an explanation of what the standards mean (in some cases the listed standard below is an “A” standard, and in some cases it is a “B” standard) on our original report.

While this rubric does not, and should not be read to, imply that every entry time was made up, we were only able to verify a small handful of the entry times, and have asked FINA and the Mexican Swimming Federation to do so. Mexican swimmers proceeded with their races in prelims on Thursday morning in Kazan.

The one entry time that we were able to verify was the 1:10.72 from Daniela Carrillo in the 100 breaststroke at the 2015 Mexican Nationals. We were unable to verify her entry in the 200 breast (she was 2:33.97 at Nationals in that race), but she did go well under the FINA “B” standard in that race on Thursday morning with a 2:30.

Monstserrat Ortuna also did swim an 8:44.05 at Mexican Nationals in the women’s 800 free and a 16:44.88 in the 1500 free, so those times are also verified.

Lorenzo Loria did, in fact, swim a 23.65 in the 50 free at Mexican Nationals (though not the 23.63 as entered), but still should not have been allowed to enter at Worlds by qualifying standards – that time did not meet the “B” standard.

More information has also been revealed after speaking with several members of Mexico’s Pan American Games team as to why the swimmers who are at the World Championships are entered. They have informed SwimSwam that these swimmers were meant to be swum at the World University Games in Gwangju earlier in the summer, but an error in Mexico’s entries kept them from swimming there. Instead, these swimmers were sent to the World Championships, which have much higher qualifying barriers than does the Universiade.

Given that most of the swimmers entered at the World Championships were in 3rd, 4th, and 5th place positions at Mexico’s National Championship meet earlier this year, it makes sense that it would be a team typically sent to a second-tier meet, though we were unable to find any publication of Mexico’s intended roster for the Universiade.

All of this is supported by the fact that Mexico entered many sports at the Universiade, but not swimming.

We have also examined past entries to the World Championships for Mexico, and those entries all seem to be in line with FINA qualifying standards. Entries for the Pan American Games earlier this year, where most of the country’s top swimmers competed, also appeared correct, with those entries being handled by USA Swimming.

The president of the Mexican Swimming Federation Kiril Todorov is the vice-chairman of the FINA Technical Swimming Committee

Gender Event Athlete Entry Time Relevant Standard  Difference
Women’s 100 fly Laura Arroyo 59.14 59.16 0.02
Women’s 100 fly Sharo Rodriguez 59.12 59.16 0.04
Men’s 400 free Luis Ventura 3:58.90 3:58.95 0.05
Women’s 200 IM Georgian Gonzalez 2:18.63 2:18.67 0.04
Men’s 50 fly Alejandro Escudero 23.52 23.53 0.01
Men’s 50 fly Daniel Ramirez Carranza 23.51 23.53 0.02
Men’s 100 breast Mauro Castillo 1:02.56 1:02.56 0
Women’s 100 back Andrea Garcia 1:01.10 1:01.25 0.15
Women’s 100 back Lourdes Villasenor 1:01.20 1:01.25 0.05
Men’s 100 back Daniel Ramirez Carranza 56.64 56.64 0
Women’s 100 breast Daniela Carrillo 1:10.72 – Verified 1:10.75 0.03
Men’s 200 free Lorenzo Loria 1:52.08 1:52.16 0.08
Women’s 1500 free Montserrat Ortuno 16:44.88 – Verified 17:08.39 23.51
Men’s 50 breast Mauro Castillo 28.52 28.55 0.03
Women’s 50 back Andrea Garcia 29.57 29.60 0.03
Men’s 100 free Lorenzo Loria 49.38 49.39 0.01
Men’s 100 free Daniel Ramirez Carranza 49.38 49.39 0.01
Women’s 200 fly Laura Arroyo 2:11.13 2:11.14 0.01
Women’s 200 fly Sharo Rodriguez 2:11.13 2:11.14 0.01
Men’s 200 IM Mateo Gonzalez 2:04.15 2:04.19 0.04
Women’s 200 breast Daniela Carrillo 2:33.28 2:33.30 0.02
Men’s 200 breast Mauro Castillo 2:16.28 2:16.32 0.04
Men’s 50 free Lorenzo Loria 23.63 – (see note) 22.25 -1.38
Men’s 50 free Alejandro Escodero 22.24 22.25 0.01
Women’s 50 fly Sharo Rodriguez 26.53 26.54 0.01
Women’s 50 fly Laura Arroyo 26.54 26.54 0
Men’s 100 fly Daniel Ramirez Carranza 52.50 52.52 0.02
Men’s 100 fly Mateo Gonzalez 52.49 52.52 0.03
Women’s 200 back Lourdes Villasenor 2:12.10 2:12.14 0.04
Women’s 200 back Andrea Garcia 2:12.00 2:12.14 0.14
Women’s 800 free Montserrat Ortuno 8:44.05 – Verified 8:54.05 10.00
Men’s 50 back Daniel Ramirez Carranza 26.09 26.41 0.32
Women’s 50 breast Daniela Carrillo 32.50 32.60 0.1
Men’s 1500 free Luis Ventura 15:45.89 15:45.97 0.09
Men’s 400 IM Luis Ventura 4:28.26 4:28.28 0.02
Women’s 400 IM Georgina Gonzalez 4:54.40 4:54.46 0.06

Note: we were able to verify that Lorenzo Loria swam a 23.65 at Mexican Nationals, very close to the 23.63 that he is entered with. However, because Mexico has another swimmer entered with an “A” standard, and Loria’s time didn’t even meet the “B” standard, that entry should not have been allowed anyway.

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PAC12BACKER

I’m shocked. Who would have thought that Mexico would be guilty of corruption? Of all countries, say it isn’t so. FINA is complicit in this with either shockingly bad oversight, not catching seeds that are faster than Mexican National records, or flat out corruption of their own merit.

This article and the prior one are 5 stars, BTW.

SWIMMER92

If you measure it in dollars ($), the US is many times more corrupt than Mexico. But, you get overly insulted and frustrated because they do something like this (which is terrible as well). What I ask is to not flat out bash Mexico’s name as if we are the only country to consider corrupt practices in society. What about all the illegal consumption and weapon smuggling into Mexico that comes from the very US. That is a way more serious situation that you won’t ever acknowledge.

It is a bit of a harsh post, but I felt the need to defend the name of my country. I hope you can get the chance to read this.

Real facts

Even though information is true, its sad to see how swimmers like daniela carrillo, mateo gonzalez,monserrat ortuño and daniel ramirez get involved in it even having b standards to be at worlds. I dont justify the mexican federation and the fact that they have no criteria when sending people to big meets. But lets recognize that these 4 swimmers are there and have the times to be at worlds.

Jimmer

I can verify those times for Daniel Ramírez I am his teammate and witnessed him swim those times..

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