Comparing the Medalists from Euros and Pan Pacs (Full-Meet Breakdown)

As is tradition when two major meets are lined up against each other in the swimming calendar, after 2 days of the 2018 Pan Pacific Swimming Championships, we have enough results to start comparing times from one meet to those of the other.

Yes, we know that there’s a lot more countries in Europe than at Pan Pacs, and yes we know it’s not a perfect comparison, but the population of the Pan Pacs nations are way bigger (thanks, China), and are you telling me you DON’T want us to do the comparison? Didn’t think so.

The story from the first two days of Pan Pacs, where we did an interim comparison, carried throughout the meet. The European men would have won 1 more race than their Pan Paquer conterparts, but Pan Pacs overall had more depth in the meet.The women’s meet, on the other hand, was no comparison: with many of the top European women not swimming at their best, the Pan Pac team, led by 3 individual top times from the always-reliable Katie Ledecky, would have dominated them in a dual meet.

Men Gold Silver Bronze Total
Europe 9 7 7 23
Pan Pacs 8 10 11 29

 

Women Gold Silver Bronze Total
Europe 3 8 6 17
Pan Pacs 14 9 11 34

A few observations from the tables:

  • Because of the nature of the European Championships, with legitimate semi-finals challenges for spots, and a deeper 1-through-8 pool of competition (Pan Pacs led 1-3 depth, but Europe with so many more countries dominates 1-8 depth), there is a lot more action in early heats on the old continent, if we were comparing ‘meet best’ times. For example, in the men’s 50 free, Italy’s Andrea Vergani and Russia’s Vlad Morozov were both faster in the semi-finals than the fastest American Michael Andrew was in Tokyo.
  • Europe continues to lag well-behind in the men’s IM races, which inexplicably the continent has been comparatively-weak in for most of this millennium. This is something that jumped out at me in 2013, when an 18-year old Semen Makovich broke the Russian record in the 200 IM in just 1:59.50 (a time that he didn’t improve upon for 5 years), and it has continued to nag at me ever since. Aside from the Hungarians, Europe hasn’t done much in the events on the world stage (either in terms of medals or times) since Italy’s Massimiliano Rosolini retired.
  • Pan Pacs nations dominate the relays, taking 17 out of a possible 21 top-3 spots in the comparison. That includes a clean sweep of the women’s races, where besides the European stars having challenges, most of the continent’s superstar swimmers (Katinka Hosszu, Sarah Sjostrom, Mireia Belmonte) swim for countries without a great relay depth of talent. If you put Sarah Sjostrom on the Dutch relays, or Katinka Hosszu on the Danish relays, or even Mireia Belmonte on the Hungarian relays, those relays would probably contend with the Americans and Australians instantly.
  • The European swimmers had many more races to swim, because of 50 meter stroke races, more mixed relays, and semi-finals, than did Pan Pacs swimmers. They also had racing spread over a much longer time period, 8 days as compared to 4 for Pan Pacs. Pan Pacs swimmers, however, had more top athletes travelling further distances to attend the meet. On balance, I’d argue that Pan Pacs has the ‘format advantage,’ especially if we call the jet-lag issues at Pan Pacs self-inflicted. Europe also tends to dominate Pan Pacs nations in the 50 meter stroke races, which aren’t a part of this comparison because they weren’t raced at Pan Pacs (so there’s nothing to compare).

TOP 3 Finals TIMES, EUROS + PAN PACS COMBINED

Men’s 50 free

  1. Ben Proud, GBR – 21.34
  2. Kristian Gkolomeev, Greece – 21.44
  3. Michael Andrew, USA – 21.46

Men’s 100 free

  1. Kyle Chalmers, Australia, 48.00
  2. Alessandro Miressi, Italy, 48.01
  3. (TIE) Jack Cartwright, Australia/Caeleb Dressel, USA, 48.22

Men’s 200 free

  1. Duncan Scott, GBR, 1:45.34
  2. Townley Haas, USA, 1:45.56
  3. Andrew Seliskar, USA, 1:45.74

Men’s 400 free

  1. Jack McLoughlin, Australia – 3:44.20
  2. Mack Horton, Australia – 3:44.31
  3. Mykhailo Romanchuk, Ukraine – 3:45.18

Men’s 800 free

  1. Mykhailo Romanchuk, Ukraine – 7:42.96
  2. Zane Grothe, USA – 7:43.74
  3. Jordan Wilimovsky, USA – 7:45.19

Men’s 1500 free

  1. Florian Wellbrock, Germany, 14:36.15
  2. Mykhailo Romanchuk, Ukraine, 14:36.88
  3. Gregorio Paltrinieri, Italy, 14:42.85

Men’s 100 back

  1. Ryan Murphy, USA, 51.94
  2. Kliment Kolesnikov, Russia, 52.53
  3. Evgeny Rylov, Russia, 52.74

Men’s 200 back

  1. Evgeny Rylov, Russia – 1:53.36 (European Record)
  2. Ryan Murphy, USA – 1:53.57
  3. Ryosuke Irie, Japan – 1:55.12

Men’s 100 breast

  1. Adam Peaty, Great Britain, 57.10 (World Record)
  2. James Wilby, Great Britain, 58.64
  3. Anton Chupkov, Russia, 59.06

Men’s 200 breast

  1. Anton Chupkov, Russia – 2:06.80
  2. Ippei Watanabe, Japan – 2:07.75
  3. Zac Stubblety-Cook, Australia – 2:07.89

Men’s 100 fly

  1. Piero Codia, Italy – 50.64
  2. Caeleb Dressel, USA – 50.75
  3. Mehdy Metella, France – 51.24

Men’s 200 fly

  1. Kristof Milak, Hungary, 1:52.79
  2. Daiya Seto, Japan, 1:54.34
  3. Tamas Kenderesi, Hungary, 1:54.36

Men’s 200 IM

  1. Chase Kalisz, USA – 1:55.40
  2. Mitch Larkin, Australia – 1:56.21
  3. Kosuke Hagino, Japan – 1:56.66

Men’s 400 IM

  1. Chase Kalisz, USA, 4:07.95
  2. David Verraszto, Hungary, 4:10.65
  3. Max Litchfield, Great Britain, 4:11.00

Men’s 400 free relay

  1. Brazil – 3:12.02
  2. Russia – 3:12.23
  3. Australia – 3:12.53

* Note – since this is more a comparison of performance than of proper administrative rules, it should be noted that the USA had the fastest time here before their DQ.

Men’s 800 free relay

  1. USA, 7:04.36
  2. Australia, 7:04.70
  3. Great Britain, 7:05.32

Men’s 400 medley relay

  1. USA – 3:30.20
  2. Japan – 3:30.25
  3. Great Britain – 3:30.44

Women’s 50 free

  1. Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden – 23.74
  2. Pernille Blume, Denmark – 23.75
  3. Cate Campbell, Australia – 23.81

Women’s 100 free

  1. Cate Campbell, Australia, 52.03
  2. Simone Manuel, USA, 52.66
  3. Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden, 52.93

Women’s 200 free

  1. Taylor Ruck, Canada, 1:54.44
  2. Rikako Ikee, Japan, 1:54.85
  3. Charlotte Bonnet, France, 1:54.95

Women’s 400 free

  1. Katie Ledecky, USA – 3:58.50
  2. Ariarne Titmus, Australia – 3:59.66
  3. Simona Quadarella, Italy – 4:03.35

Women’s 800 free

  1. Katie Ledecky, USA, 8:09.13
  2. Simona Quadarella, Italy, 8:16.45
  3. Ariarne Titmus, Australia, 8:17.07

Women’s 1500 free

  1. Katie Ledecky, USA – 15:38.97
  2. Simona Quadarella, Italy – 15:51.61
  3. Sarah Kohler, Germany – 15:57.85

Women’s 100 back

  1. Kylie Masse, Canada, 58.61
  2. Emily Seebohm, Australia, 58.72
  3. Kathleen Baker, USA, 58.83

Women’s 200 back

  1. Kathleen Baker, USA – 2:06.14
  2. Margherita Panziera, Italy – 2:06.18
  3. Taylor Ruck, Canada – 2:06.41

W0men’s 100 breast

  1. Lilly King, USA, 1:05.44
  2. Yulia Efimova, Russia, 1:05.53
  3. Jessica Hansen, Australia, 1:06.20

Women’s 200 breast

  1. Yulia Efimova, Russia – 2:21.32
  2. Micah Sumrall, USA – 2:21.88
  3. Lilly King, USA – 2:22.12

Women’s 100 fly

  1. Rikako Ikee, Japan – 56.08
  2. Sarah Sjostrom, Sweden – 56.23
  3. Kelsi Worrell Dahlia, USA – 56.44

Women’s 200 fly

  1. Boglarka Kapas, Hungary, 2:07.13
  2. Svetlana Chimrova, Russia, 2:07.33
  3. Hali Flickinger, USA, 2:07.35

Women’s 200 IM

  1. Yuhi Ohashi, Japan – 2:08.16
  2. Sydney Pickrem, Canada – 2:09.07
  3. Miho Teramura, Japan – 2:09.86

Women’s 400 IM

  1. Yui Ohashi, Japan, 4:33.77
  2. Fantine Lesaffre, France, 4:34.17
  3. Ilaria Cusinato, Italy, 4:35.05

Women’s 400 free relay

  1. Australia – 3:31.58
  2. USA – 3:33.45
  3. Canada – 3:34.07

Women’s 800 free relay

  1. Australia, 7:44.12
  2. USA, 7:44.37
  3. Canada, 7:47.28

Women’s 400 medley relay

  1. Australia – 3:52.74
  2. USA – 3:53.21
  3. Russia – 3:54.22

Mixed Medley Relay

  1. Australia, 3:38.91
  2. Great Britain, 3:40.18
  3. Japan, 3:40.98

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tomato
3 years ago

Adam Peaty is a fiend

Right Dude Here
Reply to  tomato
3 years ago

Stupid good. That handspeed is simply unmatched.

SwimmerFan99
Reply to  tomato
3 years ago

I’d love to see an in-depth analysis of what exactly makes him so fast relative to the rest of the world.

The Ultimate Minion
3 years ago

Go Lily King!

The Ultimate Minion
Reply to  The Ultimate Minion
3 years ago

Well she beat Efimova.

Siphiwe Baleka
Reply to  The Ultimate Minion
3 years ago

Not really. Efimova won the 200 breast and Efimova has a #1 and #2 ranking. KIng has a #1 and #3 ranking. So I think Efimova wins. King is a sprinter, Efimova is a BREASTSTROKER. Big difference!

Tim
Reply to  Siphiwe Baleka
3 years ago

Efimova is a double drug cheat King isn’t

Jim C
Reply to  Siphiwe Baleka
3 years ago

By the same token we would have to say that Adam Peaty is a sprinter and not a BREASTSTROKER.

Mike
3 years ago

Taylor Ruck’s 3rd place finishing time at the Pan Pacs was 0.2″ faster than Sjostrom (in the 100 free).

Boknows34
Reply to  Mike
3 years ago

Ruck 52.72 for 3rd place.

CraigH
3 years ago

Do we have results yet for the Pan Pacs Open Water competition?

Ex Quaker
3 years ago

Thank you for this! Seems some extra “d”s made it into this article (see Kendedresi and Lededcky).

StuartC
3 years ago

USA Men would have won 11 individual medals of 42 (Gold, silver or bronze). USA Women would have won 11 individual of 42 total medals, 22 of 84 total. Is that good or bad? Not sure but clearly didn’t dominate this year. I didn’t include relays.

OAC
Reply to  StuartC
3 years ago

Would like to see the country medal table – feels like it would be less dominant by the US

ERVINFORTHEWIN
Reply to  OAC
3 years ago

same amount as in 2014

OAC
Reply to  ERVINFORTHEWIN
3 years ago

Sorry, meant across the two meets as if were a World Champs

JussiBjoerling
3 years ago

Pls correct Ben Proud‘s time in Euros was 21.11

jussibjoerling
Reply to  Braden Keith
3 years ago

Fair enough! thanks for clarifying

GUyswimmin
3 years ago

2020 Olympics are going to be a treat. I have a feeling every record will be taken down except for Phelps 8 medals.

MarkB
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

Women’s 200 Fly???

Nswim
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

Men’s 400 free?

Togger
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

If you think all of:

Women’s 200 fly
Women’s 200 free
Women’s 200 IM (textile, but way ahead of current world lead)
Men’s 800 free
Men’s 200 back
Men’s 200 free
Men’s 400 free relay

are going to go down, you must be smoking some good stuff.

CHDH
Reply to  Togger
3 years ago

If Dressel can go 46 high by 2020 and Adrian or some else can muster up a 46.9 split that 4×100 record could fall. I don’t think it will but it potentially could if the perfect race is swum

Tammy Touchpad Error
Reply to  CHDH
3 years ago

Dressel 46.7
Apple/ Pierierioni/ Haas/ etc 47.2
Phelps 47.0
Adrian 47.0

Dressel likeley closer to 46 low flat start by then makes this doable

Togger
Reply to  Tammy Touchpad Error
3 years ago

3 guys who just went 48 off a flat start and a dude who’s retired? Not really a banker.

Robbos
Reply to  Togger
3 years ago

Reality bites.

Love to Swim
Reply to  Tammy Touchpad Error
3 years ago

So are we now back to Dressel doing 20.50, 46.00, and 49.00?

#JEAH #NOMOTORCYCLE

200 SIDESTROKE B CUT
Reply to  Tammy Touchpad Error
3 years ago

But what’s the order on their relay card? Does Phelps go 2nd or 3rd?

Wahooswimfan
Reply to  Tammy Touchpad Error
3 years ago

You forgot about Michael Andrew – 19 now, youbwould expect him to have the most potential for improvement

Wahooswimfan
Reply to  Tammy Touchpad Error
3 years ago

Try
Andrew
Apple
Held
Dressel

Togger
Reply to  CHDH
3 years ago

I think it could if everyone had an incredible race, as happened in ‘08.

Same true of perhaps 200 back individual, women’s 800 free relay.

But the chances all of those falling at once, plus the more extreme ones, are virtually nil.

samuel huntington
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

not a chance…

He said What?
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

Men’s 200 free???

Right Dude Here
Reply to  He said What?
3 years ago

The fastest man short course will soon become the fastest man long course.

Townley the Hoss.

JJJ
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

I mean admittedly I could see the 50, 100, 1500 Fr, 100, 200 fly, 100, 200 br, 100, 200 back, 200, 400 IM all going down in some crazy scenario in 2020. By no means do I think that’s will happen, but it’s not impossible. But 200-800 Fr? I don’t see any of those three going.
For the women… I think the 2 fly, 2, and 4 IM are all safe inmho.

He said What?
Reply to  JJJ
3 years ago

Agree 100%

He said What?
Reply to  GUyswimmin
3 years ago

Men’s 200 freestyle?

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