DeVine Admits To Drinking at USA Meet, But Stands By Homophobia Accusations

U.S. National Teamer Abrahm DeVine admitted to Stanford’s student newspaper that he “drank at a Team USA swim meet instead of showing up to support his teammates,” but still stands by his accusations that the real reason he was denied a place in Stanford’s pro training group was his sexuality.

DeVine went public last week on Instagram, accusing the Stanford swimming & diving program of homophobia and saying he was “kicked off the Stanford swim team.” DeVine had already exhausted his NCAA eligibility, but coaches of the Stanford men’s and women’s programs said DeVine was “not invited” to remain on the team as a postgraduate.

At the time, DeVine’s Instagram post said that “there are surface level reasons I was kicked off the Stanford swim team, but I can tell you with certainty that it comes down to the fact that I am gay.” We asked both DeVine and the program about those ‘surface level’ reasons and did not receive any specific details. But DeVine told The Stanford Daily in a statement that he had violated the National Team’s Honor Code by drinking at a Team USA meet, rather than showing up to support his teammates.

DeVine has since tried to clarify his Instagram post, saying it was less about calling out specific coaches and more trying to draw attention to what he calls a “systemic issue” in which he felt alienated as a gay swimmer within the culture of the team and the sport at large. Per The Stanford Daily report:

“I think that I wrote this entire Instagram post where every sentence is very important, but the only one that people are really focusing on is me calling out Stanford, and that makes my message sound very aggressive and that I’m out for blood, when in reality that is not what I wanted at all,” DeVine said. “I’m here to just say this is a systemic issue.

“Between coaches and other athletes, I feel there is so much ignorance to what it means to be gay in a sports world that my character is not recognized,” he said in his statement. “Although I feel I can participate by being silent and non-disruptive, I feel that my identity as a gay man is incompatible with the swimming world.”

DeVine went on to say that homophobic slurs were common on the Stanford team before he publicly came out:

“What I really wanted was some thought and reflection on where [the homophobia] was coming from, on why you think gay equals bad,” he said in the Stanford student newspaper piece. “And I think what actually happened was like, ‘Oh shoot. We can’t really say these [slurs] anymore. We might still think it’s kind of funny, but we’re going to censor ourselves.’”

DeVine also references coaches “appealing to masculine stereotypes to motivate swimmers and teammates mocking topics such as fragility and privilege.” He also challenged his coaches’ ability to coach gay athletes:

“If you ask any of these coaches, ‘What do you think about gay swimmers?’ they would say, ‘That’s great. I support equality, I support gay swimmers, sexuality doesn’t matter to me at all,’” DeVine said to the Stanford paper. “And then you can ask, well, ‘Why have you never coached a successful gay athlete and what do you think are the obstacles facing them?’ They will have no response.”

We asked the school for comment last week when DeVine made his Instagram post. At the time, they only provided this joint statement from the women’s head coach Greg Meehan and men’s head coach Dan Schemmel:

“It is truly unfortunate Abe feels this way. That said, Abe wasn’t invited back to train with us this fall, as a postgraduate, for reasons entirely unrelated to his sexuality. We take pride in the inclusivity and supportiveness that exists on both our men’s and women’s teams, but we will continue to strive, as always, to improve those aspects of our culture.”

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Heyitsme
1 year ago

It shouldn’t be this deep.

Left Handed Swimmer
Reply to  Heyitsme
1 year ago

Despite what LBGTQRS? think, no one cares!!!! No one wants to know either. We also don’t need a flag, a color, a parade, a week or anything else pointing at them and saying I am THE snowflake!!!

Jimbo
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Wow that wasn’t very smart. That’s pretty close minded

Hmmmmm
Reply to  Jimbo
1 year ago

how is not caring close minded? it’s literally just saying that we DO NOT care what your sexuality is, just be whatever you want and leave us alone.

Fluidg
Reply to  Hmmmmm
1 year ago

If you don’t care, why did you post and end it with an ad hominem? I don’t want to know is not the same thing as I don’t care. Self-reflection doesn’t seem to be one of your strong points.

Bruh
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Bruh wtf

Lattalatte
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Thanks for making Abe’s point clearer

Bossanova
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Left handed swimmer: you seem really triggered by the fact that LGBTQ people exist. Guess what? America is not your safe space from people that are different from you. Get over it.

Fluidg
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

It’s people with hostile beliefs like yours that create the need for that list of those things that offend you. Living in silence and hiding who you are is not equality. Who is really the snowflake here?

2 Cents
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Not caring is part of the problem…. by not recognizing it you are becoming the problem that Mr Devine speaks about. Just like with racism, and the inclusion of black athletes, you cant just all of a sudden say, oh okay we accept you because we dont care… think about all the years of damage done before that screwed the whole system up to begin with… I mean cmon now..

theswimcoach
Reply to  Left Handed Swimmer
1 year ago

Homophobia at its best.

samulih
1 year ago

nice to see someone starting some much needed conversations….. there just does not seem to be that many commenters here….. maybe if he was Texas diver, man fire man…. Bro-culture is cancer of the world and should be no tolerated anywhere

A$AP Pocky
Reply to  samulih
1 year ago

bro what

ERVINFORTHEWIN
Reply to  samulih
1 year ago

come again ??!!

Markster
Reply to  samulih
1 year ago

Yeah, how dare males bond with eachother.

Entgegen
Reply to  samulih
1 year ago

Man comradery is so toxic!!!!!!!!!!111!!!

Bossanova
Reply to  samulih
1 year ago

Lots of sensitive, fragile Bros downvoting that comment lol

Honor Code
1 year ago

Consequences of violating the USA Swimming code of conduct include a year long suspension from competing for Team USA if I am not mistaken. Instead he was not invited to return to the Stanford swim team. For him to consider this a “surface level reason” for being removed seems absolutely ridiculous.

Truth
Reply to  Honor Code
1 year ago

Will USA swimming be investigating this (an offense that should seen him suspended through 2020 trials) and what must have been a cover-up by the coaches at worlds? Not even taking into account the reckless slandering of a brand new coach and entire program….

Caleb
Reply to  Truth
1 year ago

The fact that this comment got 60 likes – that even 2 people on earth think Devine should be banned from the Olympics because he drank at the end of Worlds – pretty much makes his point. They’re really saying he should be punished for speaking up and not being a good quiet boy.

Collegeswammer
Reply to  Caleb
1 year ago

Missed the point. Nobody is actually saying he should miss the Olympics. It’s being pointed out that his punishment is actually more mild than it should have been according to the handbook, and that if he wants to make the case that his lesser punishment is “too much”, then he should remember what the actual punishment is supposed to be.

He is also slandering a university that is nationally known for its inclusiveness. While he may have encountered some issues with individuals on the team, my doubts lie with the “systemic” aspect of his claims against Stanford.

Caleb
Reply to  Collegeswammer
1 year ago

read the comment directly below yours (as just one example)

Truth
Reply to  Honor Code
1 year ago

Will USA swimming be investigating this (an offense that should seen him suspended through 2020 trials) and what must have been a cover-up by the coaches at worlds? Not even taking into account the reckless slandering of a brand new coach and entire program….

ERVINFORTHEWIN
Reply to  Truth
1 year ago

it really might if it goes a bit deeper ….

Just a question
Reply to  Honor Code
1 year ago

Was Abrahm the only athlete out drinking that night or were there others on the team out drinking with him?? Why was Abrahm the only athlete removed from the Stanford team if he was not alone?

Togger
Reply to  Just a question
1 year ago

It was a national team meet, most swimmers weren’t from Stanford.

Corn Pop
Reply to  Just a question
1 year ago

AD removed himself from the Stanford team . Cheer up it’s good news ….he graduated ! There is no mens pro team so its called moving on .

Oof
1 year ago

Sorry abe. Unfortunately We are out for a drink right now so we cant support you 🙁

Nice
Reply to  Oof
1 year ago

Brilliant 🙂

Doconc
1 year ago

This sounds more like a substantial reason than a surface reason

Dude u are hurting your cause!

Swammer
Reply to  Doconc
1 year ago

I’m not condoning what he did, but he’s definitely not the first swimmer to out drinking after his/her events were over.

612
Reply to  Swammer
1 year ago

That’s a blanket statement. This has to do with the fact that he was on the US national team, at an International meet, and decided he’d rather party, instead of supporting his teammates.

PsychoDad
Reply to  612
1 year ago

I remember few of them drunk at Rio and vandalizing gas station – but you all went bezerk in defending little general.

SwimFan49
Reply to  PsychoDad
1 year ago

That occurred *after* all of the swimming events were done, IIRC. Here, he skipped a session and showed up drunk to a team meeting.

Further, the Rio gang all were severely punished.

Dan Smith
Reply to  612
1 year ago

So was Lochte, et al in Rio; I believe they also served bans. Ryan’s was 10 months, not sure what the others received. I seem to recall Eddie Reese saying he spoke with Conger and said, “I told him (Jack Conger), he was real wrong.”

Possible for USA Swimming to investigate it? Recall Meehan was on the Worlds coaching staff, so kind of a dual role…not sure if USA Swimming will consider the penalty(not invited back to Stanford post-grad group) sufficient since it may have been witnessed and addressed by a World Coahing staff member, yet Mr. Devine is also training with another Worlds staff member, Dave Marsh.

https://swimswam.com/suspension-ryan-lochte-ready-get-back-work/

Bottom line: Mr. Devine may have… Read more »

A thought
Reply to  Doconc
1 year ago

Maybe he had an inkling he could get suspended so threw the IG up as a defensive move (not saying he wasn’t bullied etc) knowing that if USA swimming bans him now they will be looked at as homophobes. Now USA swimming is in a pickle knowing that if they serve him a ban (rightfully so he drank DURING the meet) they will look like asses.

DLSwim
1 year ago

“Why have you never coached a successful gay athlete and what do you think are the obstacles facing them?” That’s not true at Stanford. There have been several successful openly gay men that have been part of the team. I guess you may quibble as to the meaning of the word “successful”, but I think if you are an NCAA-qualifier and you score points at conference and NCAAs, that’s pretty successful. This is not to say that there is not a hyper-masculine undercurrent which is something that should be dealt with, IMO, to make the team atmosphere more inclusive. Things can always be improved, and this is one such situation. But I sincerely doubt that he was not invited to… Read more »

BayBubble
Reply to  DLSwim
1 year ago

Look, I’m not here to put anybody’s business out in public, because I’m not sure who’s “not out but everybody knows” and who’s “out and everybody knows but they don’t want to be harassed about it,” but Abrahm is absolutely not the most successful gay athlete that Greg Meehan has ever coached. Not even close. I’ll leave it at that.

Daddy
Reply to  BayBubble
1 year ago

Who, in your opinion, has been more successful? (Genuinely curious)

Andre 3000
Reply to  Daddy
1 year ago

Did you even read the first half of his comment?

Ol' Longhorn
Reply to  Daddy
1 year ago

Michael Phelps.

cynthia curran
Reply to  DLSwim
1 year ago

Good point.

woof
1 year ago

Any of his teammates support these statements against the Stanford coaches yet? If his USA or Stanford teammates don’t back these claims they don’t have as much weight, unless they’re all homophobic which isn’t likely. Also how has Stanford never coached a successful gay swimmer if he made worlds?

Anonymous
1 year ago

What kind of idiot would drink at a meet

Superfan
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

Unfortunately he is not the first….nor probably the last.

Swimswammer
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

ryan_lochte has entered the chat

wonkabar23
Reply to  Swimswammer
1 year ago

I’m not here to defend Ryan or Conor about Rio but that was after the swim portion of the Olympics, which is very different than skipping a finals session to go drinking.

ReneDescartes
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

I’m sure plenty have. The difference is that they didn’t skip a finals session to do so.

Ol' Longhorn
Reply to  ReneDescartes
1 year ago

and then they didn’t call is a “surface reason” for their dismissal from the team.

Heisenberg
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

I could see myself doing it. Meets can be boring sometimes.

Fluidg
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

You mean swimmers or coaches?

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