Comparing The Fastest Times Ever In Yards With LCM & SCM World Records

by Corey He 29

December 31st, 2024 International, Opinion, Records

As age-group swimmers growing up, we were always told by our coaches to not trust time conversions. For a multitude of reasons, conversions are inaccurate, inconsistent, and fail to weigh in all factors that contribute to a race.

And it’s true: there is so much more to this than a simple mathematical adjustment, making time conversions more of an estimate for end-of-season goal times or even an imaginative tool for most swimmers — especially since a lot of swimmers may be much stronger in short course than long course (or vice versa).

But is there a way to use time conversions to see how the world records in different formats (i.e., SCM v. SCY v. LCM) stack up against each other? Theoretically, if we were to compare the fastest performances in history, we would be able to account for most of the variability that comes with time conversions, since these records reflect the fastest anyone has ever swum in that event in the given yards/meters format.

Using SwimSwam’s Swimulator Real Time Converter, we utilized the SCY records as a benchmark and converted all the current LCM and SCM world records to SCY times.

MEN’S RECORDS

Event *SCY Record LCM Record *LCM to SCY Conversion SCM Record
*SCM to SCY Conversion
50 Free 17.63 20.91 18.24 19.90 18.07
100 Free 39.90 46.40 40.42 44.84 40.44
200 Free 1:28.81 1:42.00 1:28.21 1:38.61 1:29.15
400/500 Free 4:02.31 3:40.07 4:05.03 3:32.25 4:05.01
800/1000 Free 8:33.93 7:32.12 8:35.46 7:20.46 8:31.68
1500/1650 Free 14:12.08 14:30.67 14:11.96 14:06.88 14:03.88
100 Back 43.35 51.60 43.99 48.33 43.65
200 Back 1:35.37 1:51.92 1:38.22 1:45.63 1:36.09
100 Breast 49.53 56.88 48.81 55.28 50.62
200 Breast 1:46.35 2:05.48 1:48.03 2:00.16 1:50.06
100 Fly 42.80 49.45 43.35 47.71 43.10
200 Fly 1:37.35 1:50.34 1:35.98 1:46.85 1:36.59
200 IM 1:36.34 1:54.00 1:37.05 1:48.88 1:37.59
400 IM 3:28.82 4:02.50 3:31.50 3:54.81 3:32.91

Across the men’s world records, we see:

  • The SCY records being quickest for nine events
  • The LCM records being quickest for three events
  • The SCM records being quickest for two events

WOMEN’S RECORDS

Event *SCY Record LCM Record *LCM to SCY Conversion SCM Record
*SCM to SCY Conversion
50 Free 20.37 23.61 20.51 22.83 20.71
100 Free 44.83 51.71 45.22 50.25 45.54
200 Free 1:39.10 1:52.23 1:38.21 1:50.31 1:40.04
400/500 Free 4:24.06 3:55.38 4:24.08 3:50.25 4:28.91
800/1000 Free 8:59.65 8:04.79 9:16.69 7:57.42 9:19.17
1500/1650 Free 15:01.41 15:20.48 15:16.05 15:08.24 15:16.60
100 Back 48.10 57.13 47.97 54.02 48.35
200 Back 1:46.87 2:03.14 1:47.08 1:58.04 1:47.79
100 Breast 55.73 1:04.13 57.28 1:02.36 57.50
200 Breast 2:01.29 2:17.55 2:01.53 2:12.50 2:01.35
100 Fly 47.35 55.18 48.24 52.71 47.84
200 Fly 1:48.33 2:01.81 1:47.46 1:59.32 1:47.27
200 IM 1:48.37 2:06.12 1:50.68 2:01.63 1:51.27
400 IM 3:54.60 4:24.38 3:50.74 4:15.48 3:50.33

Across the women’s world records, we see:

  • The SCY records being quickest for 10 events
  • The LCM records being quickest for two events
  • The SCM records being quickest for two event

A Quick Analysis

We’ll jump to the first and most obvious observation: why is it the case that so many of the SCY records are faster than the LCM and SCM world record conversions? Well, it’s important to note that some of the most dominant long course swimmers today are also some of the most talented underwater swimmers — and underwaters are a premium in SCY formats. Given the number of top swimmers who come to the U.S. to train and compete at the NCAA level, it likely comes as little surprise that this is the case — even though the U.S. is the only nation in the world that continues to swim primarily in SCY.

Here’s another way to think about why the SCY records might be comparatively quicker. Most SCY records are set at the NCAA Championships, a meet where individual accolades matter far less than the team result. Since every athlete is fighting for points for their team, perhaps this added team element intrinsically leads to faster swimming — especially with double points for relays, we often see individual records set on lead-off legs. With the exception of the ISL, all other high-level meets in SCM and LCM formats arguably place more emphasis on individual medals — though whether this truly leads to faster swimming is up to debate.

This begs the question: if the world’s top swimmers are so strong at underwaters, then why are the SCM world records so much slower? I think this may have to do with the fact that there simply aren’t many high-level meets held in SCM formats. On one hand, the ISL has been postponed indefinitely, and the Short Course Worlds come around just once every two years. While events including the World Cup Circuit have surely increased the amount of SCM racing, the sheer volume of meets is still not comparable to those hosted in SCY and LCM formats.

Let’s think about another question: given all of these results, is it safe to say that the world’s best SCY swimmers are better at SCY than the world’s best LCM/SCM swimmers are at LCM/SCM? Well, since we did use the SCY records as a benchmark for this entire analysis, perhaps that introduces some bias. Perhaps we can extend this analysis to use the SCM or LCM world records as a benchmark for our conversions, but given the way the converter works, I doubt that this would yield a substantial difference.

Well, that was a doozy — but what do you think? Do you think we can enhance this analysis, or what do you pinpoint as the reason for SCY records being a bit faster than records in other formats? Let us know in the comments.

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Scotty
1 day ago

“Well, it’s important to note that some of the most dominant long course swimmers today are also some of the most talented underwater swimmers — and underwaters are a premium in SCY formats”

But Peaty’s underwaters are cooked yet his 100 br is one of only 3 LC records quicker than the yards conversion

David S
1 day ago

Swimming in yards is ***

Zthomas
1 day ago

The math is too basic for the conversions to be wrong. It’s the incomplete dataset that skews the results to SCY. Think about it, we have no SCY data from a significant number of the best swimmers in the world. We have LCM data from all the best swimmers in the world.

I’ll add that two women – Walsh and Douglas – being better suited for SCY – single-handedly skew the women’s chart.

Jeff
Reply to  Zthomas
1 day ago

absolutely the case. Very little oveeseas data contributing to the SCY conversion formulas means they will not be accurate enough for this comparison to really mean anything.

morning call
2 days ago

This only shows how inaccurate the conversion is.

Kevin
2 days ago

Seems like the most obvious conclusion is the conversions are wrong. You should look at data points where it’s the same swimming holding the records in the different formats or having swims in the different formats where you are reasonable sure they are at the same taper levels to help adjust variables at the edge of the formulas.

The distance conversions for women just scream bad conversions. There is no way that I accept that Ledecky’s 8:59.65 is a more impressive swim than her 8:04.79 WR. I realize no one else has ever gotten close to either of those. But that conversion makes Hoff’s previous 9:10.77 a more impressive swim than Ledecky’s 8:04.79 that converts to a 9:16.69. … Read more »

DDias
2 days ago

I think the conversion is not accurate. Crooks was already 17.9 and doing 20.2 in SCM. His 19.9 is faster.
Ledecky 8:04.79 would be 9:16.69??? Hahahahahahaha…Swimulator, you are DRUNK!

4 kick pullout
2 days ago

If all of the scy times are the fastest, but its the least participated course worldwide, that absolutely means that the conversions are cooked, not that the ncaa and usa is the bestest fastest meet in the world.

Mclovin
2 days ago

46.4 equals to 40,42.. 1,51,92 gives 1,38.. laughable