Trials Mixed Zone: Ledecky “I don’t know how many times I’ve been between 8:13 and 8:16”

2021 U.S. OLYMPIC SWIMMING TRIALS

Reported by James Sutherland.

WOMEN’S 800 FREE FINAL

  • World Record: Katie Ledecky (USA) – 8:04.79 (2016)
  • American Record: Katie Ledecky – 8:04.79 (2016)
  • US Open Record: Katie Ledecky (USA) – 8:06.68 (2016)
  • World Junior Record: Katie Ledecky (USA) – 8:11.00 (2014)
  • 2016 Olympic Champion: Katie Ledecky (USA) – 8:04.79
  • 2016 US Olympic Trials Champion: Katie Ledecky – 8:10.32
  • Wave I Cut: 8:48.09
  • Wave II Cut: 8:44.01
  • FINA ‘A’ Cut: 8:33.36
  1. Katie Ledecky (NCAP), 8:14.62
  2. Katie Grimes (SAND), 8:20.36
  3. Haley Anderson (MVN), 8:20.51

It was a tale of two races in the women’s 800 free: Katie Ledecky versus the clock, and then the rest of the field battling for second.

Ledecky asserted herself early, taking off from the gun and running away with her fourth victory of the week in a time of 8:14.62, just under a second off her season-best of 8:13.64 set in March. The time for Ledecky, 24, falls just shy of the top-25 swims in history.

In an exciting race for the second spot, Bella SimsErica Sullivan and Haley Anderson all held the position at one point over the first 400 meters. Thing slowly began to separate, on the back-half, with 15-year-old Katie Grimes gradually moving through the field, turning third behind Ledecky and Anderson at the 700.

Grimes, swimming way out in Lane 8, was just a tenth back of Anderson with 50 to go, and made a huge charge down the last length, ultimately touching second in a time of 8:20.36 to Anderson’s 8:20.51. Anderson is almost double Grimes’ age (29 to 15).

Grimes becomes the third Sandpipers of Nevada female swimmer to qualify for the team this week, joining Sims (800 free relay) and Sullivan (1500 free). Grimes also smashed her previous best of 8:31.73 set in the prelims, and now ranks third all-time among 15-16s, trailing only Ledecky and Janet Evans.

Ally McHugh was sixth at the 500 but moved her way up to fourth at the end, edging out Sims (8:23.55) in 8:23.51. Sims, 16, lowers her best time down from 8:27.01 and is now ranks fourth among 15-16s.

Sullivan fell down to sixth in 8:24.02, but still chopped two seconds off her lifetime best.

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jim
1 year ago

Let me make a definite prediction. Titmus beats Ledecky at 200. Ledecky wins 800 as well as 1500. In the three shorter distances, the two are percentagewise closest in the 400.

Andre Man
1 year ago

She will loose 400 to Titmus. 800
Is questionable ,
But if she wants one gold for sure she should not swim 200 before 1500.
200 she will be beaten and not only by Titmus

Swimfan
1 year ago

I think Katie grimes will beat titmus in the 800 her improvement curve is insane! She dropped over 16 seconds from her pb at trials! If she drops even half that at Olympics she go 8:12 is see Katie “squared ” going 1-2 in the 800

Last edited 1 year ago by Swimfan
Awsi Dooger
1 year ago

I found this video tonight, an interview with Titmus from 2019. After watching the interview I have less belief that Titmus can defeat Ledecky at 800. Titmus concedes the 800 is her least favorite and she has trouble with the strategy. No kidding. It’s been obvious for years. Titmus says she tends to lose concentration during a long race and in particular she has no idea what she is doing during the 5th and 6th hundred. None of that bothered me. But then Titmus says she wants to get below 8:15 level because she thinks that’s what it will take to medal in Tokyo. Medal. She says nothing about defeating Ledecky. Likewise she swam the 800 final later in 2019… Read more »

Sub13
Reply to  Awsi Dooger
1 year ago

I don’t really think an interview from two years ago is relevant to her current attitude. I also think Ledecky will win the 800 but it’s because of performance, not because of an old interview.

TeamDressel
Reply to  Awsi Dooger
1 year ago

Yeah exactly no chance she beats Ledecky

Robbos
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

I wouldn’t put your house on it.

TeamDressel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

I would put everything on Ledecky winning the 800. She had a “horrible” swim at trials by her standards and still was faster than Titmus. She also won the 800 at 2019 worlds while not feeling well.

Coach
1 year ago

Katie’s had a rough go at some of her tapered meets over the past few years, but it’s not from lack of work or effort. Here’s to hoping that she meets her goals and has a successful experience in Tokyo.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Coach
1 year ago

Katie Ledecky was ill at the 2019 FINA World Aquatics Championships.

TeamDressel
1 year ago

Ledecky clearly didn’t have a good trials and it’s highly probable that didn’t rest much. If she’s on she’ll win the 200, 400, 800, and 1500. Although the 200 will be battle either way. I can see her going 1:53 low, 3:54, 8:02, and 15:15 assuming she’s at her best

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Why would Katie Ledecky taper for the U.S. Olympic Team Trials when Katie Ledecky posted the fastest times in the W 200 FR, W 400 FR, W 800 FR, W 1500 FR of any domestic swimmer in season during calendar year 2021? As a matter of fact, the aforementioned times posted in season during calendar year 2021 are faster than the personal best times of any active domestic swimmer not named Allison Schmitt (whose personal best time in the women’s 200 meter freestyle was dated at the 2012 Summer Olympics).

BilesNoGravity
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

Have we ever considered the idea that Ledecky’s ‘sort of rest’ (per her press conference before the meet) perhaps put her in an awkward place to race physically? And some more training with legitimate rest may set her up for more success? Seems like brief rest (Ledecky in season times) or full rest (2016 &17) might work best for her? She has consistently said she’s been training her best ever. There’s no reason for all these folks to doubt her just yet.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  BilesNoGravity
1 year ago

Compare Ledecky’s times in the final of the women’s 200 meter freestyle, women’s 400 meter freestyle, women’s 800 meter freestyle at the 2016 U.S. Olympic Team Trials to the times in the final of women’s 200 meter freestyle, women’s 400 meter freestyle, women’s 800 meter freestyle at the 2016 Summer Olympics. Katie Ledecky was not tapered at the 2016 U.S. Olympic Team Trials.

Trials vs Olympics
1:54.88 vs 1:53.73 (PB)
3:58.98 vs 3:56.46 (PB)
8:10.32 vs 8:04.79 (PB)

Robbos
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

Ledecky 2021
Trials
1:55.11
4:01.27
8:14.62

Lets give Ledecky same improvement for 2021 Olympics
1.53.96
3.58.72
8.09.12

Titmus still has her covered in 200 & 400.

Old Man Chalmers
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

funny, you said the exact same thing about huske and curzan when they posted great in season free times, which didnt end up translating to good trials results in those events at all

Last edited 1 year ago by Old Man Chalmers
Old Man Chalmers
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

yes really. i specified freestyle events, where both their best times in the 100 (done this season btw) were fast enough to win trials, and they both miss the 100 final. curzan’s 50 time would also have won trials by .1, yet she didnt qualify in that event either. yet your counterpoint is resorting to fly times, which i said nothing about. but I’ll play along. curzan supposedly didnt taper for that random meet where she went 56.2, yet she was slower at trials which is hailed as the hardest swim meet in the world. and I’d argue that one of a nation’s top freestylers (who goes a pair of 55 flys in the same meet) missing a weak 100… Read more »

Last edited 1 year ago by Old Man Chalmers
TeamDressel
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

That’s what I’m saying but she didn’t taper and also didn’t have a good trials hence her “sub-par” times.

Robbos
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Titmus didn’t taper either, I see her going 1.52.5, 3.53.6 & 8.02.9
Silly how silly my predictions are, they is how most people see yours.

TeamDressel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

That’s not gonna happen. Maybe 1:52 in the 200 but all the other times are outrageous. She can probably challenge the 2 free WR, go 3:56-3:57 in the 400, and 8:12 in the 800

Troyy
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Wooosh

TeamDressel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

She clearly did taper otherwise she wouldn’t have dropped in all of her events. She won’t go much faster at the Olympics. Ledecky on the other hand has the capability to go the times I stated. Just watch

Robbos
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Why would she taper, she was well above any other possible qualifier.

M d e
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Your predicted times are outrageous. Possibly the worst takes I’ve ever seen on here.

TeamDressel
Reply to  M d e
1 year ago

Just watch Ledecky is gonna dominate at the Olympics

TeamDressel
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

I don’t know why everyone is disliking. I said if she is on these times will happen. I’m not saying she will be on or at her best. I’m saying this is what she is capable of if she performs well

Sub13
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

It’s probably because there is no evidence to support your predictions at all. She hasn’t been close to her Rio swims ever again and you predict she’ll beat them all based on nothing. Yes it’s possible she will, but your predictions make no sense based on the evidence.

Sub13
1 year ago

It astounds me how confident people are in their predictions. Some Aussies seem to think Ariarne is going to sweep 200/400/800, and some Americans seem to think Katie is going to sweep 200/400/800/1500. Both camps seem to ignore times and say “oh but she wasn’t tapered at trials, she will 100% swim a PB and break every world record”.

To me, the times suggest a likely Ariarne 200 and likely Ledecky 1500. The 400 is a toss up but leaning Ariarne, and the 800 is close but leaning Katie (the 800 is probably safer for Katie than the 400 is for Ariarne).

I expect them to go 2 a piece and both swim really well, but I don’t expect them… Read more »

Mr Piano
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

I think that Titmus will win the 200 and 400, but Ledecky will take the 800 and 1500 without too much trouble. Titmus has too much speed for ledecky in the 400 right now.

Sub13
Reply to  Mr Piano
1 year ago

That is my prediction too, but nothing is for certain. The safest medal is the 1500 because it doesn’t rely on having a good start. While the 50 can literally be decided based on who has the best start (which can involve a little luck), it’s extremely unlikely to see a massive upset in the 1500 barring the favourite being sick or injured.

Ger
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

It’s tough. It’s the same session as the 200m free final.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Ger
1 year ago

Katie Ledecky can always scratch the women’s 200 meter freestyle as was the case at the 2013 FINA World Aquatics Championships.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Mr Piano
1 year ago

The same was said of Cate Campbell in the final of the women’s 100 meter freestyle at the 2016 Summer Olympics dated 11 Aug 2016 after breaking the world record in the women’s 100 meter freestyle dated 02 Jul 2016.

Sub13
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

What’s the correlation there? One Australian choked in Rio and therefore all Australians will choke at the Olympics always? It’s strange how obsessed some people are with Cate Campbell and use her to justify any prediction they have lol.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

Oh really, only one Aussie at the 2016 Rio Olympics? Guess again. How many times was an Aussie female situated in lane 4 or lane 5 in the final of an individual event only fail to medal altogether at the 2016 Rio Olympics?

Last edited 1 year ago by Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Robbos
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

Campbell choked, McEvoy choked, but Chalmers won anyway. Who else, Seebohm & C2 were both injured & Larkin was beaten by a better swimmer.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

Reading comprehension issues?

2016 Rio Olympics
Aussie female
Individual event final
Lane 4 or Lane 5

Try again.

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago
Sub13
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

I know that. I’ve predicted Katie will win it but it will be close. Ariarne swam less than second slower than Katie did in trials. I would call that “close” in an 800m race even if I think it’s relatively safe for Katie. I don’t understand your point?

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

Katie Ledecky was not tapered at the 2021 U.S. Olympic Team Trials.

Robbos
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

See Sub13, he is expecting or hoping, every Aussie, well especially Titmus, McKeown & Mckeon all choke like Campbell did in RIO.

Sub13
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

Literally any discussion about USA and Aussie swimmers just involves Hswimmer, swimt, superswimmer2000 or Yozhik (and now this person) saying “Americans weren’t tapered, Aussies will choke 100%”. It’s really weird and pathetic lol.

If one of the American favourites loses i hope that everyone else will have a bit more class than the Americans instead of bringing it up constantly when it’s not relevant.

Robbos
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

Don’t the Pandemic & the OTS.

Sub13
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

I guarantee you if the Aussies over perform or the Americans underperform this site will be full of 2 things

1. “It’s because of the pandemic”

2. “Yeah well you didn’t choke but we still got more medals”.

Quote me LOL

dresselgoat
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

How are the Aussies results at the last Olympics not relevant in a discussion about the upcoming Olympics?

Last edited 1 year ago by dresselgoat
Sub13
Reply to  dresselgoat
1 year ago

How is one person’s performance in one race relevant to a different person in a different race at their first Olympics? Literally any Aussie who has a good time is met with “BuT cAtE cAmPbElL”.

It’s literally like me saying “Oh Katie lost the 400 at worlds and therefore Dressel is going to lose 100 fly”. It’s so stupid and it’s literally the only thing Americans on here have to say about any Aussie swimmer. As if all of the swimmers of a given country have the same brain and same body.

Here’s a tip: NO ONE HAS F***ING FORGOTTEN WHAT HAPPENED TO CATE CAMPBELL IN RIO. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF WANTING TO MENTION IT, IT’S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE WE… Read more »

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

Not as big of a choke job as Leisel Jones at the 2012 London Olympics.

SHG
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

How can you possibly say she ‘choked’. This was her 4th Olympics – Gold, Silver and Bronze at the previous three and she was in no way the ‘favourite’ for this event in London. This was her last Olympics and she was super happy with the fifth placing. Still went home with a silver medal from the relay. A very successful Olympic career overall. Stop talking crap.

commonwombat
Reply to  SHG
1 year ago

Jones’ Olympic window had closed by 2010 and in London she basically swam to what she then was, finals level rather than medal standard. She may’ve medalled at 2011 Worlds but her times were well off her prime.

Had SKHM stated Jones choked in Athens, THEN they’d have hit a bulls-eye but …..

dresselgoat
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

it’s not close – Katie has been 10 seconds faster… I like your crazy worldview though

Robbos
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

Manuel never broke 53 seconds before RIO!!! Your point?

Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
Reply to  Robbos
1 year ago

A time of 52.70 in the final of the women’s 100 meter freestyle at the 2016 Summer Olympics versus the world record time in the women’s 100 meter freestyle of 52.06 dated 02 Jul 2016. No comparison whatsoever. Keep grasping at straws.

Jamie5678
Reply to  Smith-King-Huske-Manuel
1 year ago

Titmus’s best time of 8.15 was set at the Australian trials a few weeks ago. The key statistic there though is that she negative split her race. This is partly because she tends to drift in the middle sections of the race and partly because she’s inexperienced at pacing fast 800s.
 
Titmus took her trials swim out in 4.08 (in comparison Ledecky -swimming more conventionally- was 4.03 at midpoint at trials). 4.08 is dawdling for someone who went 3.56 a few days earlier.

They ultimately finished within 1 second of each other meaning that Titmus closed some 4 seconds in the back half – precisely the part of the race where Ledecky will try to break… Read more »

Meow
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

This right here is the correct take.

Paul
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

I think Titmus 200 and 400, Grimes 800, Ledecky 1500.

TeamDressel
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

Ledecky was not herself at trials. She swam slower in the 400 than she has been in season. We can’t doubt just because trials performance was “sub-par”

Troyy
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

That’s a pretty good reason to doubt

Sub13
Reply to  TeamDressel
1 year ago

Just to clarify: in your mind, doubting every Australian swimmer because of a Cate Campbell race 5 years ago makes sense. However, doubting Ledecky based on actual recent results doesn’t make sense.

That’s an interesting perspective.

TeamDressel
Reply to  Sub13
1 year ago

Lmao I didn’t say anything about Australian swimmers. I am only talking about Ledecky and her sub-par performances at trials. She was probably a little rested but the rest she got clearly didn’t really help her at all.

ACC
1 year ago

According to USA Swimming’s database, 19 times.

Konner Scott
Reply to  ACC
1 year ago

She’s probably hit it once or twice in practice too.

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