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- Big Question #1: is Michigan the Greatest Program Ever?
- Big Question #2: Who was the swimmer of the meet at the Men’s NCAA Championships?
There are few hotter subjects at any given point of time in college swimming than the impact of international athletes. Some teams swear them off ; some teams live-and-die by them; some teams will pick up a few when brought around, but don’t necessarily make any special effort to do so. Sometimes the opinions voiced publicly on the subject is driven by the fans and alumni, and sometimes it’s driven by the coaches. In the modern day of college swimming, every top program is impacted by international athletes.
While the appropriateness of international athletes in the NCAA is left up to each in their individual opinions, and something we’d dig into in a separate editorial, this report is intended simply to provide information. Or, as some might refer to it, ammunition for those who have strong opinions on the subject. The big question is: just how much of an impact do internationals have on the NCAA level?
Note: The official NCAA Championship results didn’t indicate international athletes or not, as they sometimes do, but we’ve done our best and run it in front of several sets of eyes to make sure we’ve gotten them all.
In total, 770 out of 2,015 individual swimming points at the 2013 Men’s NCAA Championship meet were scored by international swimmers, or roughly 38.2%.
That includes some of the meet’s top names, like Vlad Morozov, Marcelo Chierighini, Christian Quintero, Matias Koski, and Michigan’s Ortiz Brothers.
For the purposes of this analysis, if an athlete is choosing to represent another country internationally, then we’ve counted them as internationals. That means that many swimmers with dual citizenship, or who have grown up in the U.S., like Alabama’s BJ Hornikel (Germany) or Georgia’s Matias Koski (Finland) and Tom Kremer (Israel) are counted as “internationals.” Your perspective on this depends on whether your argument is based on a sense of National pride, a statement about whose tax dollars fund the universities, or an issue of American coaches training other countries’ Olympians. The latter of those arguments falls closest to within our scope, so that’s what we’ve chosen to focus on.
In total, exactly half (20 out of 40) of the scoring teams at the men’s NCAA Championships had individual points from an international swimmer, which is to speak nothing of relay contributors (we haven’t found the time to count those yet, but expect it to be similarly huge).
The top international scorers were none other than the University of Michigan, the eventual National Champions, with 155 individual points from internationals. That includes the aforementioned Ortiz Brothers (Japan, Brazil, Spain, etc.), Anders Nielsen (Denmark), Hassaan Abdel-Khalik (Canada), Dylan Bosch (South Africa), and Richard Funk (Canada).
USC and Florida were the only other programs with more than 100 points from internationals.
Interestingly enough, Cal, if all individual international points were removed, would have won this year’s NCAA Championship; they would be hard-pressed to complain, though, as my instinct is that a similar measure probably would’ve cost them a title in previous years. Outside of the Golden Bears, nobody else was close enough to Michigan for those international points to matter, at least if we’re looking at only individual scoring.
The only team among the top 15 without any international scorers individually was the University of Texas (no big surprise there). It wasn’t for lack of trying though: big-time Israeli breaststroker Imri Ganiel joined the team and trained with them this past season, but won’t compete until next year.
Here’s our full rankings for ‘most individual points scored by international swimmers.’ Sometime over the next few weeks, we’ll look at the impact on the women’s meet, perhaps a rundown of relay scorers, and finally which countries contributed the most points to NCAA’s (though, with multiple citizens like the Ortiz’s, that could get a bit dicey).The top 10 “international” swimmers in the men’s NCAA, based on individual scoring:
Rank in Int’l | Rank Overall | TOTAL POINTS | |
1. | (1) | Michigan | 155 |
2. | (4) | USC | 125 |
3. | (6) | Florida | 110.5 |
4. | (8) | Auburn | 47.5 |
5. | (10) | Georgia | 46 |
6. | (7) | Stanford | 45 |
7. | (11) | Louisville | 43 |
8. | (9) | Indiana | 30 |
9. | (2) | Cal | 28 |
10. | (13) | Wisconsin | 27 |
11. | (26) | LSU | 24 |
12. | (28) | Alabama | 20 |
13. | (3) | Arizona | 17 |
14. | (12) | Ohio State | 12 |
15. | (33) | Dartmouth | 11 |
16. | (14) | Missouri | 10 |
17. | (23) | Florida St. | 7 |
18. | (15) | NC State | 6 |
19. | (29) | UNLV | 5 |
20. | (40) | Wyoming | 1 |
Also, check out the table below for the top 10 individual scoring athletes from the international contingent at the meet.
Points Scored | |||
Vlad Morozov | Russia | USC | 54 |
Marcin Cieslak | Poland | Florida | 51 |
Miguel Ortiz | Japan/Brazil/Spain | Michigan | 45 |
Dylan Bosch | South Africa | Michigan | 41 |
Matias Koski | Finland | Georgia | 40 |
Joao de Lucca | Brazil | Louisville | 40 |
Cristian Quintero | Venezuela | USC | 34 |
Marcelo Chierighini | Brazil | Auburn | 34 |
Tom Kremer | Israel | Stanford | 32 |
Eric Ress | France | Indiana | 30 |
Michigan wins once and you think they had the history of USC, Cal Stanford or UCLA. Who wants to live in Michigan anyways?
Fabio – I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but Michigan has 12 NCAA team titles – tying Texas for the most ever – and 165 event titles – more than any men’s program in history.
It is ridiculous – Division II Men’s swimming championship is like an Eastern European swim meet! You cannot really believe that it is fair to have these older men compete against younger ones. There should be uniformity across the board and all NCAA Divisions should have an age restriction. Why is Div II so much more stacked? Would be interesting to see what Drury , Wayne State, Lindenwood et al. are offering these so called youngsters to come and swim in D2!
Folks, college coaches are paid to have successful programs. We do not get bonuses or keep our jobs for how much our swimmers improve or develop, although we certainly expect they will. Having a winning program matters. Swimming scholarships are merit based awards just like academic scholarships. We award the scholarships to the swimers who can come in and help improve our programs and unlike other sports, we have a very objective measure of who can do that. Times matter. You have to be fast enough to get a scholarship. It’s pretty simple. I offer scholarships to those who are fast enough, regardless of where they come from. Why would I do otherwise? I have noticed a groing sense of… Read more »
Have you all looked to see where these swimmers were raised? I know Stanford freshman Tom Kremer has lived in the US since at least 6 years old. He trained and swim with teams local to Stanford the entire time (PASA/PEAK).
I don’t know how many other like this are out there but I would say 12 years, entire educational, etc., would give him a pass. He could have swim for the USA but choose Israel at a young age to represent internationally.
I’m sure his family has been paying taxes here the whole time.
So which athletes are really foreign athletes?
Jill Brown, you are correct. I have seen Kremer swim as an age grouper, and know that he went to school and participated in CIF/HS swimming in California. He is NOT who we are talking about here.
What we are talking about is 21+ yr. old foreign GROWN MEN who come here on full-ride swimming scholarships and compete against homegrown teenagers (Kremer is no older than any homegrown college freshman, as his roster states he is still only 18).
Wisconsin just announced a new foreign addition to their roster for next year who it appears will be a 22 yr. old FRESHMAN from Austria. The coach is bringing in a RINGER to swim against still developing “teenagers”. However, as coach… Read more »
Correction – Minnesota just signed the 22 yr. old freshman, NOT Wisconsin. My bad, don’t want to offend any Wisconsin fans.
Mojo, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to misquote and misattribute my words. If you read below, nowhere did I ever say it’s “all about winning”. What I said was “Having a winning program matters.” Do you think it doesn’t? I wouldn’t want to work for an AD who didn’t think so.
I also never remotely suggested that I nor anyone else do “whatever it takes” to succeed. We work within the rules of the NCAA.
Your argument really seems like the warmed over complaints that one hears in age group and high school swimming. There have always been those who complain that it is unfair that the just aged up late developing… Read more »
According to swimrankings.net, Maly turned 21 just last month, so is not 22, and will be 21 for his entire first year. Depending on when he graduated and whether he was in the military since they, he may or may not have 4 years of eligibility. If he does, he will be 24 when he competes in NCAAs his final year.
psychodad, congrats on your son…….but you are a DOPE!!
MomoJamo, you remained me of Republican gay politicians proposing anti-gay legislations.
You are one of those immigrants who when they come here start hating their own country and become bigger Americans than Americans. Let’s other people live, Momo.
Me, I love fast swimming, screw xenophobes. Long live foreign swimmers. Our son will swim in Olympic games for another country. How do you like that Momo?
Yup, you are a “psychodad” alright! Please ignore him Coach T he is off his meds again.
Yeah, and so what. One of my kids could have competed in the Olympics for a foreign country too and DECLINED – she said she wanted to make the US team, as that meant she would have REALLY accomplished something. So what? That isn’t what we are talking about here (again, take your meds).
In case you have already forgotten, what many of us are objecting to is the granting of large scholarships to 21+ year old grown men who come over here to compete against homegrown teenagers. Every full ride or almost full ride scholarship given to these ringers (yup, that’s what they are) takes away from a US resident who, with all things being equal (except for… Read more »
Some coaches believe that foreigners are the easiest way to the top. Look at Alabamas new coach Dennis Pursely. He has recruited over 10 new foreigners for next year already. I am believe there should be caps placed on the number of foreigners allowed on a team. It takes places away from americans who may be of the same caliber. Props to texas
That is just wrong, I am sorry but Pursely is obviously trying the fastest way to the top. Instead of actually trying to develop talent he already has he is just looking to bring in talent to make himself look like a good coach…..tells you how he is as a coach
Coach Pursley is also bringing on 19 Americans. It is simply a massive class. And as far as the kind of coach he is I think his resume speaks for itself and the service he paid to his country as National Team Director for 15 years says more than enough.
Although it is possible for international athletes to enter college at an older age, it’s not like they get a free pass. The clock starts ticking for them just like it does for everyone else pursuant to 14.2.3.2.1.
“14.2.3.2.1 Sports Other Than Men’s Ice Hockey, Skiing and Tennis.
In sports other than men’s ice hockey, skiing and tennis, a student-athlete who does not enroll in a collegiate institution as a full-time student in a regular academic term during a one-year time period after his or her high school graduation date or the graduation date of his or her class (as determined by the first year of high school enrollment or the international equivalent as specified in the NCAA… Read more »
There is the so-called “five year rule”, meaning that you have five years in which to compete after initial enrollment:
14.2.1 Five-year rule. A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum
full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official religious
missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For international students, service in the armed forces or on an official religious mission of the student’s home country is considered
equivalent to such service in the United States. (Revised: 4/2/10)
… Read more »
I meant to say that they graduated from high school more than one year prior to enrollment in a US college.