Shouts From The Stands: A Diver’s Perspective on Virginia Cutting the Sport

by SwimSwam 77

March 03rd, 2025 College, Diving, Lifestyle, News, Opinion

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This “Shouts from the Stands” submission comes from Hunter Hollenbeck, a fifth-year diver at Stanford University.

I’m Hunter Hollenbeck, a fifth-year diver at Stanford University. Beyond diving, I’ve had the gratitude of being the co-president for Stanford’s Student-Athlete Advisory Committee since 2023, assisting in our transition to the ACC. This position puts me in constant conversation with the major stakeholders of our athletics department, including our athletic director, university president, NCAA president, and others as I advocate for our student-athlete body. This experience is what makes me both immensely knowledgeable of—yet immensely worried for—the state of diving in the upcoming era of college athletics.

The news about Virginia cutting its diving program, while shocking and disappointing, is neither novel nor unexpected. The most important part behind this decision is in the layers of nuance that surround it. It’s likely that many, many collegiate swimming and diving programs across the country will face the same uncertainty regarding their diving programs and their relevance to the bottom line: team scores and scholarship caps.

Let me preface by saying that I love the combination of swimming and diving for many reasons. Being connected with swimming has given me so many brothers and sisters throughout the years and people that I can’t imagine living life without. It’s great to have a team to root for and fight for at conference and NCAAs. More pragmatically is the fact that this combination has likely led to more diving programs (and more diving wells, clubs, and access to the sport) until this point: it’s infinitely easier for title IX and budgetary reasons to add in a larger, 20-30 person team instead of a marquee group of about five men and five women. It’s also why diving teams haven’t gotten formally “cut” in the past.

This hasn’t stopped programs from getting informally cut, however. Some of the more notable times this has happened in high level programs include Bob Bowman’s tenures at Michigan and Arizona State, where in both cases he forced the diving coach out through confrontation and refusal to support their presence and participation at conference, zone, and NCAA meets. Tangential to this is the recent occurrence of the 2021 men’s swimming and diving championships, where Cal beat Texas in swimming, yet the Texas divers were able to cover the difference and secure the team victory which generated much commotion about the role of diving.

So then, why is this unexpected now, given a history of animosity and “quiet cutting“ programs? Money, and rosters. With revenue sharing and unlimited scholarships, schools can divvy up about twenty million dollars to student athletes and additionally provide as many scholarships as desired to the cap set by the NCAA in a few months. While Texas has recently announced that they will be giving all student-athletes full rides, most schools (including Stanford and other high fidelity athletics programs) operate at a loss and such an expenditure would hemorrhage money. At this point, every roster spot counts in the attempt to catch up to the giants of the college sports industry who can fund their program to the gills. Currently, diving lives in a significant limbo that puts us at a disadvantage to the new system put in place.

If you’re unaware, divers count as half a person towards the NCAA meet roster limit. This is consolidation for not being able to score relay points. However, where this does not create consolidation is within the money being spent on a diver. Indeed, even though a diver is half a person at NCAA’s, that doesn’t mean their scholarship is half off. In a sense, this is saying that a diver is worth less than a swimmer because you would need two scholarship-funded divers to equate the scoring potential of a single scholarship-funded swimmer. While the scoring math adds up, the checkbooks don’t balance.

Objectively, what must be done is reconcile this scoring difference and provide divers with ample events to gain an equal scoring potential with a swimmer by having team events, synchro, an all-around competition, or other ideas that have seen varied success through the years. This would, on paper, create a level playing field such that the diving contingent on the team is not seen as a waste of money compared to filling those spots with swimmers for saving on scholarships per roster spot at NCAA’s.

But nothing is objective. The second issue is that of control—swim coaches like to be able to control how the meet is going to go, and having an autonomous body of diving alongside their team means they have less control over the end product. People like Bob Bowman and Todd DeSorbo would see that, regardless of money, it’s preferred to have a full roster of swimmers instead of dealing with having some uncontrollable divers on the other side of the pool. These new issues with money and roster sizes merely make it easier and easier to axe the entire diving program.

In the end, what’s vital for us to do as divers is to advocate for equal representation and point earning potential within the swimming and diving ecosystem to allow for justification in the existence of diving programs. While this won’t fix the overarching issues with diving being auxiliary to swimming, it creates hope that divers could provide serious firepower to big competitions and contribute a significant share of the team score, proving our worth and value to swim coaches who would rather cut us.

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pete kennedy
23 days ago

Bob Kiphuth – Yale’s renowned coach, in spite of the advantage diving gave to Mike Pepe’s Ohio State teams, declared that diving was essential to the sport. In my book on Kiphuth.

Ivy
29 days ago

Todd cut the diving program because he doesn’t value diving, not because the UVA divers are poor performers.

1) Lizzy outscored the majority of his swimmers at last year’s NCAA.

2) Josh was able to recruit multiple top diving commits with scoring potential.

3) Of the 10 divers currently on the roster, 7 are underclassmen who lost their diving coach midway through the year, just as they were getting adjusted to collegiate life and competition. I hardly think they were set up for success. How do we think his swimmers would have performed in the same circumstances?

Jobin
29 days ago

A few thoughts from a former swimmer turned diver…

I see a lot of comments about swimming and diving not being related by anything but the pool. Totally agree. We used to have diver relays at every meet, and we would often times beat at least a few of the opposing relay teams. We could participate in the sport of swimming. Not at an elite level, don’t get me wrong, but we were more than capable of performing swimming fundamentals. Turn those tables… now that’s some comedy!! Most swimmers wouldn’t even walk out to the edge of 10 meter. Trying to teach a swimmer a hurtle was like putting a moose on ice skates. Regardless of that, I always found… Read more »

ReHomeDiving
29 days ago

Give diving to track & field. There’s water in the steeplechase run, just add diving to the field! Or there’s always gymnastics!!

Jobin
Reply to  ReHomeDiving
29 days ago

You are obviously a spiteful belly flopper

Frank Probst
29 days ago

Regardless of what you think about whether swimming and diving should be combined or not, the way this particular case was handled was just plain heartless and cruel. Blindsiding the divers is a bad way to do it. If you want to cut a team, you should phase it out over 5 or 6 years. Tell this year’s recruits that next year’s recruits will be the last year that the team takes any new athletes, and then let the team go by attrition. And before anyone says “The numbers won’t work.”, tell me if you’ve talked to your alumni about it first to see if they’ll donate money to help do it. At least TRY to handle this as sympathetically… Read more »

Admin
Reply to  Frank Probst
29 days ago

I don’t think that strategy works when this year is year 0 for the new era of college swimming.

They had to make cuts. Either divers were getting “blindsided” or swimmers were. On the men’s side for Virginia, if they stack up their entire roster’s value, the divers would have been near the bottom in terms of competitive value, so philosophy aside, they would’ve gone.

Swimmers and divers are going to get cut left-and-right this offseason. There’s no room for 5-6 year phasing in of philosophical changes.

BoomBoom
Reply to  Braden Keith
29 days ago

Yeah but to cut a sport? And if the rumors of them going to 24 are true, then there is space to keep 3 divers and fill those conference spots.

Goldie
Reply to  BoomBoom
29 days ago

The sport is called swimming & diving. So no sport is being cut, just the bottom scorers on the roster, who happen to all be divers

Jobin
Reply to  Goldie
29 days ago

Adding from another comment here: UVA diver Lizzy Kaye was the 6th highest individual point scorer for UVA at last year NCAA’s

You seem to not be a very credible source Goldie. Do some hw before you pipe up. Or we will have to cut you from the program…

Dover
Reply to  Goldie
29 days ago

What are you on about? They definitely cut diving. This is some PT Barnum spin jargon you are posting. Their position to no longer have any diving team members in the future I think the vast majority of sane people would agree means they have cut diving.

Goldie
Reply to  Dover
29 days ago

I’m talking about the NCAA considers the sport Swimming & Diving, not two separate sports at the level. So in the NCAA’s eyes this is the same as entering no one in the breaststroke events. Not losing a sport toward D1 membership requirements. That’s the rules, not an opinion.

Dover
Reply to  Goldie
28 days ago

Ok, but they are still recruiting breaststrokers, so stfu. Whatever you want to tell yourself in your state of delusion. Everyone reading on here knows what this is. Except you, it seems. Is this the uva coach posting to try and prevent his villain origin story? Ahhh too late.

#ANDdiving
Reply to  Braden Keith
4 days ago

Divers being at the bottom is absolutely not true. UVA recruited some excellent divers as part of the Freshman class who are more than capable of scoring points and even reaching NCAA’s. They need a good coach and proper attention and they will thrive! They were junior national qualifiers over and over again in multiple events. Any athlete neglected the way they were this season will underperform. One of the girls on the team competed a 405c on 1M all season…something only 15 other girls in the country do. There is so much potential on this team that is just being wasted because Todd didn’t care to learn more about the sport and let every event shine.

cheese
29 days ago

Wrote a long piece in support of this and of course the page refreshed before I could post… Anyways, just wanted to say as a former swimmer that I adore all of my diver teammates and sincerely hope those commenting dismissing their excision from programs find some sympathy for these athletes that worked just as hard to get to collegiate athletics and stand to contribute significantly to the programs they rightfully earn spots at. Collegiate athletics is only strengthened by their inclusion and the House settlement resulting in programs capping rosters is a disservice to all in the sport if that means losing diving.

Mark R. Lambert
30 days ago

An excellent statement on the present “situation” regarding the status of diving.
This “diver-author” is completely
accurate about the danger to our sport.

You were NOT SCARED to state HOW
certain coaches (one by name) view
OUR SPORT of diving.

Yes. Those who know me might remember that I was a swimmer. But, I always had respect for my teammates that bounced
“UP and DOWN” while I went “BACK and FORTH!” In the end, ALL of our points were added to the TEAM TOTAL!

DIVING COUNTS! DIVING MATTERS!

(Please anticipate an update AFTER
NCAAs @ Federal Way)

Bigguy
30 days ago

Those that are so quick to write off diving, you know that you are so willy nilly ready to affect athlete and coach lives? Like families, kids of coaches, futures of athletes and I dont mean future in the sport. If swim coaches don’t like diving, they are entitled to their opinion, but to cut a sport which has no way of really defending itself is a bit selfish. If it’s solely a swim coaches decision to cut diving, I would question as a swim recruit what that program means to the coach. It means people don’t matter, at all. Truthfully think about it, it has nothing to do with facility, nothing to do with talent, nothing to do with… Read more »