Michael Andrew Opens Up About Decision Not To Receive COVID Vaccine

U.S. Olympic swimming star Michael Andrew confirmed that he has not and will not receive the COVID-19 vaccine prior to the Tokyo Olympic Games.

Andrew, 22, reaffirmed his stance on getting vaccinated during remote media availability on Thursday from the U.S. Olympic swimming team’s training camp in Hawaii.

“I am not fully vaccinated, I’m not vaccinated,” Andrew told media via Zoom. “My reason behind it is, for one, it was kind of a last moment, I didn’t want to put anything in my body that I didn’t know how I would potentially react to.

“As an athlete on the elite level, everything you do is very calculated and understood. For me, in the training cycle, especially leading up to trials, I didn’t want to risk any days out. There were periods where you take a vaccine, you have to deal with some days off.”

Andrew is coming off a very successful U.S. Olympic Trials, qualifying to swim three individual events in Tokyo having won the men’s 100 breaststroke and 200 individual medley in Omaha and placing second to Caeleb Dressel in the 50 freestyle.

Andrew’s decision not to receive the vaccine could potentially put both him and his U.S. Olympic teammates in a precarious position at the Games—if a positive test were to arise, an unvaccinated athlete will face stricter quarantine consequences compared to those who have had the vaccine.

When asked about Andrew’s vaccination status, men’s U.S. Olympic head coach Dave Durden said: “All of our athletes, in the community that we’re in right now, we’re being very conscious being very safe with how we’re handling our teams, how we’re going from place to place, how we’re operating in our training camp environment, how we are effectively bubbling ourselves … And that’s probably the more important piece of this. Regardless of vaccinations or not vaccinated, it’s what our attitudes and actions are.”

Speaking on the swimming podcast “Inside With Brett Hawke” in January, Andrew said he had already contracted the virus and justified the decision not to get vaccinated: “So my thought pattern is kind of like, if I’ve already got it, there’s not as much health risk for me.”

At the U.S. Olympic Trials, USA Swimming President and CEO Tim Hinchey estimated “around 90 percent” of the U.S. National Team had received the vaccine.

U.S. National Team managing director Lindsay Mintenko also said at the Trials:

“(Tokyo 2020 and IOC officials) are now taking into consideration vaccination status,” she said. “They aren’t going to automatically disqualify you if you are contact traced at this point (and have been vaccinated.) That was good news for us. I have a lot of concerns going into the next few weeks. The health and safety of our athletes is always our No. 1 priority. It takes on a whole new meaning this year.

“The virus is still here. It’s out there, and we’re going into an environment where we have no idea what the other population has been doing to protect themselves. That makes me nervous. We are going to do a lot to protect ourselves. But I’m nervous about what we’re going to walk into.”

Andrew’s decision not to get vaccinated has also been widely speculated as the reason he is forgoing competing in Season 3 of the International Swimming League after being the top scorer on his New York Breakers’ club (and a co-owner with his parents) in each of the first two seasons. However, his vaccination status reportedly has nothing to do with this decision.

Andrew is a medal threat in all three of his individual events in Tokyo, entering the Games ranked first in the world in the 200 IM, third in the 100 breast and fourth in the 50 free. In what will be his Olympic debut, he is also expected to feature prominently on the American men’s 400 medley relay, and potentially on the mixed 400 medley relay.

You can watch Andrew’s full media availability below:

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Random123
15 days ago

*buckles seatbelt*

Thrasher
Reply to  Random123
15 days ago

Funny things is, there’s a video from a few years back of Andrew riding in the car with his dad and neither are wearing seatbelts.

Dudeman
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

Doesn’t trust the science behinds seatbelts and Newton’s laws of motion either apparently

DCSwim
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

The Swedes developed the modern seatbelt and they’re atheistic socialists so I toooootally understand why the wouldn’t use them /j

SwimmerNotSwammer
Reply to  DCSwim
15 days ago

I speak norwegian does that count

Jive Kampf
Reply to  DCSwim
15 days ago

I regularly swim with Par Arvidsson (100 fly gold, 1980), and we often discuss Swedish matters. I’ll ask him if he’ll adopt you. As he considers the matter, he may want to know your best 100lc fly time.

Jethro
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

That’s horrific. I just drove without 1 this morning. How ever did i survive?

Anonymoose
Reply to  Jethro
15 days ago

what a badass :O

Irish Ringer
Reply to  Random123
15 days ago

For a site that’s extremely critical of what people put in their bodies, one would think they might be more supportive of this.

Chris
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

because many people here believe and trust the science that most certainly backs the vaccine. The science also most certainly supports that PED’s alter your performance. Get it?

usaswimerror
Reply to  Chris
14 days ago

Guys, there will be no “science” behind the vax for years. Years.

trustscience
Reply to  usaswimerror
6 days ago

You are wrong. These vaccines have been in development for many years. Facts. The disinformation around the vaccine is dangerous and ignorant, obviously deadly for the unvaccinated people who are now dead from the Delta variant. People around the world would be grateful for the opportunity to receive this vaccine. Well, your choice to remain unvaccinated effects and harms others. On another note, if MA was so concerned about his “Elite Athlete” body, how did he allow himself to get Covid to begin with?

Sam B
15 days ago

It’s irresponsible and in some ways selfish. That’s all there is to it. And at least he could be honest about the reasons he refuses it.

Last edited 15 days ago by Sam B
Sam B
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

It doesn’t take a genius to know that his not trusting science has a lot to do with it.

Jean neethling
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Not trusting science? How about the science that suggests there’s a 99.7% recovery rate for his age group. Likely with minimal symptoms and if experienced a full recovery is expected. You negate that science yet choose a small part of “justify”
Your reasoning. If you’re high risk then get the vaccine. If you’re not, don’t get the vaccine (or get it) whatever your choice is.
FDA has still not approved it. Why inject yourself with something that isn’t approved yet. Emergency use authorization yes, approved no.
This is also the science that said asbestos, smoking, glyphosphate etc was safe for all of us. Stop being a sheep

swimapologist
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

Even if they fully recover, the rapid spread among young people can contribute to variants, which can lead to higher rates of spread and complications against young people.

That’s the science. That’s why it’s not a “personal choice.” Your decision to not get vaccinated impacts everyone.

Itsnotbreaststrokeanymore
Reply to  swimapologist
15 days ago

Usually, I assume swimmers are uncoordinated and can’t do much outside the pool. But swimapologist, that was a hell of a dunk!

jennifer
Reply to  swimapologist
15 days ago

“His Body His Choice” to all the women out there criticizing this young mans personal decision.

colonelhall
Reply to  jennifer
15 days ago

Pregnancy is not catching.

SwimMomof2
Reply to  swimapologist
13 days ago

That is correct swimapologist. Even if he is asymptomatic, he can contribute to community spread if he gets infected. And yes, he can get reinfected again even if he had the virus in the past. The overwhelming majority (99%) of positive cases now are among the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are driving this virus now and they are helping the variants thrive.

Sam B
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

He can still spread it – do you understand that part?????

Gulf dude
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

No. If he gets Covid again maybe, so are the vaccinated who can get Covid like my colleagues did after vaccines. One of them had a severe one.

Vaccines do not work to stop you contracting the virus 100%. It usually help you not get it bad. Same as influenza vaccines. You get influenza still.

FletchMacFletch
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

This science doesn’t count because…covid.

Kozlopeak
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

This is medically untrue and especially untrue with the variant. Many young people are losing there lives everyday.

Kate
Reply to  Kozlopeak
15 days ago

There’s no data supporting an increased IFR for delta or any other variant. It’s actually plummeted pretty significantly for all but the oldest age groups (80+).

Ihalmiut
Reply to  Kozlopeak
5 days ago

Provide a source for that please.

JeahBrah
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

99.7% recovery rate…
In the 2016 Olympics, 955 swimmers competed. Therefore by your numbers that means if every swimmer were infected then 2-3 would die. And that doesn’t even account for the much larger number who would have severe symptoms landing them in the hospital, and the even larger number who would develop chronic symptoms.

If being a sheep means understanding the data and its implications for every member of the herd, then I’m good with that label.

John Hensler
Reply to  JeahBrah
15 days ago

99.7% of people, not 99.7% of elite swimmers. Not too many 60-year-olds in the Olympics. Something like 84% of the people who have been hospitalized with COVID have been obese. Not too many obese people at the Olympics either – maybe powerlifters and a few others.

Big Mike
Reply to  JeahBrah
15 days ago

“Therefore by your numbers that means if every swimmer were infected then 2-3 would die.” Not at all! The risk is not spread evenly across the age group.

JeahBrah
Reply to  Big Mike
15 days ago

The original comment stated a 99.7% recovery rate for his age group.

Sophie
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

Even if there is a 99.7% recovery rate from COVID for his age group, there are plenty of young people who have gotten severe cases of COVID or have continued to suffer from the virus.

E.g. Ella Eastin. She had a pretty great shot of making the Olympic team, but COVID essentially ended her career early.

Chris
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

here we go with the 99.7% recovery rate. 🙄

Sally P
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

Absolutely right. There is no proof vaccines are 100% safe. When many cases of severe reactions such as blood clot and heart problems and deaths, why is this safe?

Europe opened up for tourist fully vaccinated, with antibody or Covid negative tests. This is based on science.

In one of the J Hopkins researches, it said natural antibody after contracting Covid has better protection than experimental vaccines ( not FDA approved until 2023).

JeahBrah
Reply to  Sally P
15 days ago

You are more likely to get myocarditis from a COVID infection than you are from the COVID vaccine.
You are far more likely to get blood clots from a COVID infection than you are from the COVID vaccine.
You are FAR FAR FAR more likely to die from a COVID infection than you are from the COVID vaccine. Almost infinitely more likely.

All three of these statements apply to all age groups. It is irresponsible to make blanket statements about ‘severe reactions’ from the vaccine, which are extremely rare, while omitting the much more common consequences from a COVID infection.

swimmerman
Reply to  JeahBrah
13 days ago

No offense, but you are not “Almost infinitely more likely” to die from a COVID infection than the vaccine.

Swimmer
Reply to  Jean neethling
15 days ago

Even vaccinated have gotten Covid and tested positive

swimmerman
Reply to  Jean neethling
13 days ago

exactly

SwimMomof2
Reply to  Jean neethling
13 days ago

It’s not all about “him.” It’s too bad he doesn’t seem to get that. He can contribute to community spread and spread the variant around to others if he gets reinfected. In addition, we are still learning about the “long haulers” effects so “recovery” may not be well defined here.

Ihalmiut
Reply to  Jean neethling
5 days ago

It’ really not a risk any more than the vaccinated. It’s a wash since he got mother natures vaccine by getting covid. Numerous people get covid after a vaccine.

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PVSFree
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

I said this elsewhere in the comments, but it’s a bit ironic when their mantra for years has been about following Brent Rushall’s science for USRPT

swimmerswammer
Reply to  PVSFree
15 days ago

USRPT (or everything the Andrew’s seem to do the more we learn about them) is not science based, it’s gimmick based.

anonymous
Reply to  swimmerswammer
15 days ago

It must be considering they have no vested interest in real science by real scientists who spend over a decade in school and additional training. The USRPT “science” is sounding more and more like cheap talk.

400IM is the only real event
Reply to  swimmerswammer
15 days ago

The more I learn about them, the more the Andrews seem like swimming’s answer to the Ball family in basketball. Everything is about taking an unconventional path purely for the noise.

Michael Andrew would’ve been an elite swimmer regardless of if he swam 100K a week programs or the pure USRPT program that they run.

400IM is the only real event
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
15 days ago

DeChambeau is a great comparison because he’s logically found a system that works for him, but can never be great because he simply does not understand basic fundamental things like course management, and Michael Andrew looks like he’s a 10&U swimming their first ever 200IM every time he swims that race.

Fluidg
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
15 days ago

Take a look through the catalog of MA’s NAGs in the 200 stroke events (yes, all 4 plus the 200IM and 400IM). Even at age 14 his 200 splits were perfect. Your comment is uneducated and mean spirited. A 10&U? No one in the world can match his torrid pace or catch him. He only recently began focusing on the 200m IM and, even though it’s not dialed I yet, he is #1 in the world and on the US Olympic Team.

swimmerman
Reply to  Fluidg
13 days ago

exactly

swimmerman
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
13 days ago

yeah…but he goes 1:55 in his 200 IM. i don’t think you should criticize that…

MarkB
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
15 days ago

Not the noise so much as the money.

anonymous
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
14 days ago

MA is a great athlete that does the hard work day in and day out like all the other Olympians. Another CoVid death: USRPT.

swimmerman
Reply to  400IM is the only real event
13 days ago

Really though? Do you seriously think that Michael Andrew would have been an elite swimmer if had been doing 100k a week programs. No offense, but you have absolutely no idea what would have happened if he had. Maybe, but we have no idea. I think the point you should take away is that he is going to the Olympics in three different events. Whether or not its scientific, it worked for him.

swimmerman
Reply to  swimmerswammer
13 days ago

Possibly, but he’s going to the Olympics in three different events.

Doconc
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

He is immune- already had it

Stop putting false motives on him

Sam B
Reply to  Doconc
15 days ago

and that’s not even what his reasoning was, so there goes your “logic” Oops.

Kozlopeak
Reply to  Doconc
15 days ago

Agree and you can get it multiple times it’s not chicken pic🙄

Irish Ringer
Reply to  Kozlopeak
15 days ago

You can get it multiple times, but the chances decrease significantly if you’ve had it once.
On a related note can get covid multiple times with the jabs as well.

Mediocre Swammer
Reply to  Kozlopeak
15 days ago

I got chicken pox twice, so even chicken pox “isn’t chicken pox.” (Also, chicken pox can cause you to get shingles later, which SUCKS. Who knows what getting covid can lead you to years down the road.)

JimSwim22
Reply to  Mediocre Swammer
15 days ago

Chicken pox twice and shingles twice for me! But I did choose to get the shingles vaccine when too.

Irish Ringer
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Or the science I pointed out earlier about someone who has had it, developed the antibodies and what their chances are of contacting it again. You are right though, doesn’t take a genius to figure that out, but might take one to have some common sense.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2776810

Sam B
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

and then again, that’s not what he said.

Irish Ringer
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

I can agree on that. MA, didn’t come with the stats.

Jon Isaacson
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

Found this in the linked article: “The duration of protection is unknown, and protection may wane over time.”

Fluidg
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Or maybe he doesn’t trust big pharma.

RUN-DMC
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

So you’re saying that subjecting yourself to an experimental gene therapy just before the biggest swim meet of your life is so unlikely to affect your performance that you shouldn’t even consider the possibility?

Thrasher
Reply to  RUN-DMC
15 days ago

None of the vaccines are gene therapy in any way, shape, or form.

XRay
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

So, you do not know anything about how these injections work?

JeahBrah
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

The traditional definition of gene therapy implies modifying a person’s genes aka DNA. The vaccine does not do that; it introduces viral mRNA which your body’s cellular machinery then transcribes to produce viral proteins -> this is what your body forms immunity to. The vaccine doesn’t involve the human’s DNA in any way.

Research on traditional gene therapy was used in the development of mRNA vaccines, but isn’t involved in the actual physiology of the vaccine in your body.

Anonymoose
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

exactly, you dont! glad you figured that out

Jane
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

lol

Sam B
Reply to  RUN-DMC
15 days ago

if any part of your statement were true….

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Dudeman
Reply to  RUN-DMC
15 days ago

You don’t know what mRNA is and it shows

XRay
Reply to  Dudeman
15 days ago

And neither do you, apparently. This is a genetic technology designed to use your own cells to express a foreign protein coded for by the mRNA. This is very different from conventional vaccines which use weakened or destroyed forms of the pathogen.

anon
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

hey bestie did you know that the cells of your immune system produce mRNA to create antibodies when antigens are detected within the body
gene therapy is about altering DNA, the vaccines utilize mRNA which is an entirely different molecule from DNA and something your body produces on the daily

Dudeman
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Yeah that’s how your immune system works, it creates a stronger secondary response because your body is able to recognize the foreign antigens more easily so when you’re exposed to the actual virus you have milder symptoms for a shorter period of time.

Transcription in the nucleus creates mRNA that enters the cytoplasm of your cells before being translated into proteins that serve specific functions, mRNA can’t enter the nucleus so it will never affect your genes or gene expression, not to mention that mRNA vaccines have existed for a long time before now. So I return to my original statement

Kozlopeak
Reply to  RUN-DMC
15 days ago

The vaccines are 15+ yrs old developed as a way to get the bodies immune system to fight cancers without using live cells…there is no Gene or other living organisms

XRay
Reply to  RUN-DMC
15 days ago

Steve, do know how these shots work?

dresselgoat
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Probably moreso than the average person’

This is the funniest thing I have read today. Thanks Steve!

Jane
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

your first statement shows you know nothing about what these covid shots are

Not Tapered 🏊
Reply to  Jane
15 days ago

If you spent as much time preparing for that job as you do commenting you’ll get the job

booothese
Reply to  Jane
15 days ago

lmao

Not Tapered 🏊
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

I’m happy to see Nolan seeking work. 🤣

based
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

It ain’t irresponsible or selfish in any way shape or form. If the other nat team members want it they can get it and they’ll be fine. This whole bubbling and quarantine system is bs and shouldn’t have the power to jeopardize something more important than a virus with a 99.98% survival rate of those under 70 who contract it.

anon
Reply to  based
15 days ago

please go tell Ella Eastin how little of an issue Covid is to a young athlete

Distance Per Stroke
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

That can happen with any disease. It actually appears that swimmers that got Covid have gotten faster. MA, Tom Dean(twice), Kristof Milak

Sam B
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

brilliant “logic”. Covid made them faster. Pure gold.

Anonymoose
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

yes youre a genius!
ofc you know about every swimmer who had covid, and especially made notice of those who got slower afterwards because, you know, we all constantly talk about the swimmers who swim slowly.

use your brain goddamn, for every swimmer who had it that got faster, there are prob 10 swimmers that got slower. you just dont know about them bc we dont focuse on slow swimmers / swimmers that didnt make the team for example

Irish Ringer
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

That would be like saying, “go tell a family member of someone who died from the vaccine that they aren’t dangerous.”

Joy
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

Actually, no one has to tell her anything. She told us why she retired and the reason goes back well before “covid” was a thing.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-champion-ella-eastin-announces-retirement-after-dysautonomia-diagnosis/

Fluidg
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

Makes me wonder about the origin of Simone’s overtraining diagnosis. Other swimmers besides Ella have reported the same longhauler symptoms after contracting COVID-19.

Sam B
Reply to  based
15 days ago

it is totally irresponsible and selfish. People who refuse the vaccine, keep the virus and its variants going around forever and make life screwed up for the rest of us who do our best to end it. Anyone who refuses to get the vaccine should have the decency not to go out in public and become close to anyone. But no, they are just happy to shout into our faces, maskless, and cripple everyone’s life, especially health care workers and cause 10s of thousands of deaths.

JimSwim22
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Neither irresponsibility or selfishness are illegal, or even unusual especially in elite athletes.

c J
Reply to  Sam B
9 days ago

are u a real human that thinks or are u an ai

XRay
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

If he has natural immunity, there is no rational reason to subject himself to potential adverse events. The vaccine will not provide any additional benefit to himself or others.

SwimMom
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Except… people have gotten in more than once, so he’s not immune.

Irish Ringer
Reply to  SwimMom
15 days ago

True, but….. .3% chance of contracting it a second time 90 days from getting it

According to the researchers, 11.3% of the patients who tested positive for antibodies also had a positive diagnostic test for the coronavirus within 30 days, 2.7% had a positive diagnostic test result within days 31 to 60, 1.1% had a positive result within days 61 to 90, and 0.3% had a positive result at more than 90 days.

SwimMom
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

Are you assuming he has antibodies still? That’s a big unknown.

XRay
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

There are some serious side effects that have been happening after the shot. The risk of heart damage after the MRNA shots is especially high in young men. Can’t blame him for not wanting to take that risk – especially since he has natural immunity.

W3T
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

There are serious side effects from getting COVID too – and not just from people who were seriously ill. The long haul stories are coming from lots of younger people who weren’t ever seriously sick.

Besides, there are vaccines that are not mRNA based.

He’s selfish and ill-informed.

swimmerman
Reply to  W3T
13 days ago

You probably shouldn’t call him selfish and ill-informed based on a 30 minute interview…

Anonymoose
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

“high” lmao stfu

Irish Ringer
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

A study of 3.2 million US patients with SARS-CoV-2 antibody test shows that they had about a .3% chance of contracting it a second time. So, if he’s already had it, should just get an antibody test to see if they are still in his system.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2776810

Sally P
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

And there are many reports about causing heart failure issues after vaccination while you have antibody especially to people in 10’s-20’s. When you have the best antibody to protect vs the trial vaccines that are NOT approved by FDA, you need to make your own decision.

European countries are welcoming tourists with fully vaccinated, COVID antibody or negative test results within 48 hours of the travel.

Caleb
Reply to  Sally P
15 days ago

This is one of the dumbest comments of all the shockingly dumb comments on this thread. There are plenty of reports written by trolls who enjoy spreading BS for fun or profit, but no reality-based reports of heart failure triggered by COVID vaccination. If you’re referring to blood clots, the Astrazeneca vaccine does very slightly raise the risk of blood clots in young adults (I think it’s under 30 but would have to look it up). Even that slightly elevated risk is much lower than the risk of blood clots when infected by COVID. Also it is semantic BS to say these aren’t approved by the FDA; they are — it was on TV. Emergency authorization or no, these were… Read more »

Last edited 15 days ago by Caleb
SwimMom
Reply to  Sally P
15 days ago

Huge difference between EUA and “not approved by the FDA”. Bleach isn’t approved by the FDA. The vaccine has an emergency use authorization.
“Not approved by the FDA” is a BS phrase meant to justify selfishness

Jon Isaacson
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

Since you repeated the link, I’ll repeat the qualification in the linked article: “The duration of protection is unknown, and protection may wane over time.”

Kate
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

I got J&J back in early April and felt noticeably fatigued for about a day and a half, but it didn’t stop me from doing a fairly intense spin class and coaching my kid’s lacrosse team. My husband’s 2nd dose of Moderna, on the other hand, had him on the couch for 2+ days questioning whether it had been worth it.

That said, if Michael Andrew had confirmed covid he almost certainly still has a decent level of immunity and the risk isn’t terribly high that he’d either catch covid again or transmit it. The risk is more that he’d be a close contact, land in quarantine because he’s not vaccinated, and be unable to race – which would… Read more »

Cd…..
Reply to  Kate
15 days ago

It is actually now recommended to take a week off of exercise after each dose.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/07/05/covid-vaccine-singapore-advice-exercise-heart-problems/amp/

Lola
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

It’s his choice. It’s an Experimental drug there’s still hasn’t been approved by the FDA and causes a lot of side effects he doesn’t have to take it.

GoBearz
Reply to  Sam B
13 days ago

I am not getting into the science, politics or even the insanely weird nature of Michael Andrew. I just wanted to take a moment to point out that I think what we all can agree on whatever his choices are, he handles things poorly and is not exactly being a great teammate in doing so. I mean we all heard that Ryan Lotche wasn’t likely vaxxed in his pre-Olympic trials presser. To lotche’s credit I think he handled it as well as can be expected by not getting on a soap box and distracting from both his swims and fellow competitors. Ryan gets lambasted, by non swimmers, but dollars for donuts he has done his best to be a ambassador… Read more »

The Capybara
15 days ago

USRPT- Unusually Stupid, Really Poor Thinking

Who gets it? Adrian gets it
Reply to  The Capybara
15 days ago

Oh god, it’s so viscous

The Capybara
Reply to  The Capybara
15 days ago

I agree that USRPT has very real training benefits. Just wanted to make a funny pun to highlight how dumb I think it is that he will be traveling overseas to a country that is currently in a State of Emergency without being vaccinated.

PVSFree
Reply to  The Capybara
15 days ago

Also a bit ironic how their mantra for years has been about how they’re following the science

Irish Ringer
Reply to  The Capybara
15 days ago

Kind of like Dave Ramsey saying look at what everyone else is doing and do something else when it comes to debt. How many here have a paid off mortgage? 🙂

swimapologist
Reply to  Irish Ringer
15 days ago

Why would you pay off your mortgage early with interest rates where they are?

Penny wise and pound poor.

But I digress…and also am not sure what point you’re trying to make lol.

JimSwim22
Reply to  swimapologist
15 days ago

You realize that at 1% interest you are still losing 1% of your money right? Unless you have a guaranteed return higher than the interest you should pay it off.

swimapologist
Reply to  JimSwim22
15 days ago

Why are we arguing about opportunity costs of money on SwimSwam? Oh well, here we are, let’s get in it.

Everyone in the United States has access to a guaranteed return higher than 1%.

Also, why does the return have to be guaranteed for it to be a good deal?

Like I said: pennyrich, poundpoor. Your money your choice though, amiright? But when you complain about people being richer than you, remember it’s because they made better choices than you.

Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

Already having Covid is more effective than any vaccine

Distance Per Stroke
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago
XRay
Reply to  Swammer
15 days ago

There is no evidence that natural immunity is inferior to vaccinated.

There is not a single disease in medicine where the vaccine provides better protection than natural immunity from having had the infection. Kids who naturally got measles or chicken pox were protected for life without “boosters”.

There are far more cases of breakthrough covid after vaccination than repeat infection in someone who has already had covid.

RebETC
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Say whaaaaa? Children who had chicken pox can get shingles later in life because the virus remains dormant in the body.

Caleb
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

There is loads of evidence, it’s a central part of modern vaccine science that is carefully tested in any vaccine development program, and the commenter above you already posted an article from a top journal with evidence that yes, COVID vaccination produces a stronger vaccine response than natural infection.

Sam B
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

It’s not, but don’t let the facts bother you

XRay
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Even those who are accustomed to reading scientific literature can have a hard time figuring out what “the facts” are these days. Politics and censorship.

Be humble.

BaldingEagle
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

I look forward to reading your published research, DOCTOR.

Distance Per Stroke
Reply to  BaldingEagle
15 days ago

It’s basic biology that your body develops antibodies after getting a disease.

Sam B
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

for about 5-6 months, but again those are just facts.

Distance Per Stroke
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Some studies say 6 months, 8 months, or year+. Just as long as the studies say for the vaccine

Sam B
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

you be yourself

Shoudawouda
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

I understand that the test they do fo see if you have antibodies doesn’t give the whole picture, I believe they need to check T cells, ( few people getting that checked) and they shows immunity lasting far longer.
Don’t think I would want to take the vaccine if I had already contracted covid. Then there is the rare? occurrence of cardiac inflamation. Don’t blame him at all.

JeahBrah
Reply to  Shoudawouda
15 days ago

Myocarditis is more common after a COVID infection than after the COVID vaccine… 0.7% vs 0.001%

XRay
Reply to  JeahBrah
15 days ago

Nope, that is wrong. Myocarditis rates depend on how hard you look for them. Best data so far is from Israel study where rate of myocarditis was 1 in 3000-6000 young men who received Pfizer.

I personally have a friend who was hospitalized with myocarditis after his 2nd shot. Many cases are going unreported so US data is undercounting.

SwimMom
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

The old ” I have a friend” argument

Admin
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Here’s a discussion of that study that pretty thoroughly lays out the data in each direction: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-probable-link-between-pfizer-vaccine-small-number-myocarditis-cases-2021-06-01/

There’s some disagreement within the scientific community about the findings.

Chad
Reply to  Braden Keith
15 days ago

I always appreciate you being a voice of reason in these threads

JeahBrah
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Even if 1 in 3000-6000 is correct, which doesn’t match the actual rates in the Israel study Braden linked below or the reported rates in the US, it is still far less than the myocarditis rate from COVID infections of 0.7% detected. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31275391/study-shows-less-1-covid-infected-college-athletes-developed-heart-issues

Jon Isaacson
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

1 in 3000 = .0003; 1 in 6000 = .00016

XRay
Reply to  Sam B
15 days ago

Immunity from covid lasts for as long as we’ve been studying it. Already evidence that vaccination is losing effectiveness.

But you do you.

anon
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

good thing we have advanced biology to look at the specifics of individual viruses and their unique interactions with the immune system

XRay
Reply to  JeahBrah
15 days ago

Lot’s of questionable advice in this article with no references to back up its claims. For example, it’s recommending pregnant women get the shot even though they were excluded from the trials. This article is basically an ad for vaccines.

JeahBrah
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

Johns Hopkins isn’t exactly known for their questionable advice. It’s an interview with a reputable virology/immunology professor.
Concerning the pregnancy issue, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology recommends vaccination for pregnant and lactating women, as well as those trying to conceive. Trust the experts!

sven
Reply to  JeahBrah
15 days ago

Yeah, experts can give advice, but if pregnant women were not included in the trial, the data isn’t really there. At that point they’re making an educated guess and not a recommendation based off of data collection and analysis of that particular drug.

That’s if it’s true that pregnant women were excluded from the trials. It very well could be, I’m not really invested enough in this to check. As a general rule, I “trust the experts” if the data is there, but if they’re extrapolating it does lower their credibility and sets off a red flag for me.

Ol' Longhorn
Reply to  Distance Per Stroke
15 days ago

Particularly at dying.

Mike
15 days ago

I’m a fan of him but this is very irresponsible given the fact he is an elite athlete and has a lot of fans. This might be controversial but a lot of religious people are refusing vaccines.
This could be the real reason. Hopefully he will stay healthy enough to not compromise the whole team or his spot on the team.

Kachow
Reply to  Mike
15 days ago

His dad wouldn’t let him get a real education. Can’t blame the kid.

Thrasher
Reply to  Kachow
15 days ago

Yeah, what did Peter say? Something like “Don’t want him being indoctrinated with liberal ideas at Uni”.

Instead, they just indoctrinated him with their own ideas at home.

Xman
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

I never noticed any liberal ideas during science or math classes. And honestly I didn’t feel like good professors really taught with any bias in humanities classes.

There were some bad ones but these were more unorganized non sense which didn’t didn’t communicate any ideas.

Your fellow students and peers, possibly?

Distance Per Stroke
Reply to  Xman
15 days ago

When did you go to school? In my mythology class last year we were taught the NFL is just a continuation of slavery.

Walter
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

Wasn’t that the mother?

Camelboar
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

There is no such thing as neutrality. Anywhere someone goes an agenda is being pushed. If you have a child, and you believe that you are correct, then you will out of geneuine care for that child teach them what you believe. There is nothing wrong with that. Public schools, universities, corporations, churches, etc… all insititutions are all pushing an agenda, especially loving parents/families. He’s not being inconsistent/hypocritical by saying that. He believes he is right, and he thinks colleges are wrong. If you thought they were teaching the wrong ideas that would damage your kid, you would keep them away too.

JimSwim22
Reply to  Thrasher
15 days ago

That’s a definition of parenting.

steve3.0
Reply to  Kachow
15 days ago

Don’t trash the man because he has a good relationship with his son. If your referring to a “real Education ” As a college education , college isnt always the best life path. Real world knowledge does not have to be learned in a class room. Many great and successful people are Home Schooled and their parents are an integral part of this learning process. It build a close and special bond between them

Walter
Reply to  steve3.0
15 days ago

True, but knowing how to spell also is part of a good education.

steve3.0
Reply to  Walter
10 days ago

walter get out your red pen and help out .

Kachow
Reply to  steve3.0
15 days ago

I have a great relationship with my dad too but he allowed me to go about my life like a normal person. I’m glad Michael is succeeding but his father practically used his son to make an income.

isopropyl
Reply to  Kachow
15 days ago

He’s the lifelong coach of someone who just qualified for the olympics, but sure he’s just using his son for an income

steve3.0
Reply to  Kachow
10 days ago

Define Normal . No such thing as normal now a days. Soooooooo it would be okay if it was a club coach who made an income off of Michael ? Don’t see any difference.

carolyn binder
Reply to  Kachow
15 days ago

really interesting all the bashing. what happened to a tolerent viewpoint?white, privilaged, talented and religious, with antibodies, but that is not tolerated in this day and age.Yikes

Kachow
Reply to  carolyn binder
15 days ago

Again, I’ve got no issue with Michael and am happy to see him succeeding. I never said anything about race, privilege, ability or religion either.

Thrasher
Reply to  Mike
15 days ago

I also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s for religious reasons giving all we know about him. If so, just say that.

carolyn binder
Reply to  Mike
15 days ago

antibodies!?

BaldingEagle
15 days ago

This is a great plan to not be assigned a roommate.

DC in DC
Reply to  BaldingEagle
15 days ago

Sha’Carri Richardson excluded from the OLY team because she smoked weed to relax after she lost a parent….

MA included on OLY team, and headed to Japan, but refusing to be vaccinated….

There are tens of millions of Japanese who would do anything to get a vaccine. They dont have it available. There are literally billions of people around the world who would do anything to get a vaccine. We are so blessed to have an abundance of vaccines in our country. And I do give former President Trump credit for that.

The vaccines are safe and effective. There are NO credible reports of any significant injuries suffered as a result of taking the vaccines. NONE. Compare that to OPV.… Read more »

XRay
Reply to  DC in DC
15 days ago

DC, You are living in a bubble. Many European countries have pulled some of the shots due to catastrophic blood clots forming in the brain. There is no doubt of increased risk of heart damage in boys after 2nd dose of mRNA shot. Many other adverse events reported. For any medical intervention risks must be weighed against benefits.

Meow
Reply to  XRay
15 days ago

LOL my dude the risk of blood clots from the vaccine is way lower than the risk of blood clots from hormonal birth control and nobody is up in arms about that.

Camelboar
Reply to  Meow
15 days ago

I am.

ReneDescartes
Reply to  Camelboar
15 days ago

Not in real life you’re not. Only online.

Khachaturian
Reply to  BaldingEagle
15 days ago

he holds the fate of the men’s medley relay in his hands… or should I say lungs, face mask, immune system…..

Backstrokebro
Reply to  BaldingEagle
15 days ago

Gives all his new teammates an excuse to not hang out with him.

HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

He’s a young healthy athlete who has already had covid and now carries antibodies – and you all are criticizing him for making the personal decision to not take the vaccine?

It’s amazing – the mainstream media begins the vaccine push and you see it reflected in people’s comments immediately. Not a single free-thinker in this comment section so far.

Mr Piano
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

where’s your science degree?

XRay
Reply to  Mr Piano
15 days ago

Where’s your ability to make an argument?

sven
Reply to  Mr Piano
15 days ago

I’d say it’s better to address the content of the comment. Current data suggests natural immunity is very effective. That data is freely available from credible sources. Does this guy need a science degree to say that?

SwimMom
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

It’s wonderful that you know what we all are thinking. Are you a doctor and a psychic? Or does anyone who disagrees with you is just automatically wrong?

LittleFin
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

You can be a free thinker but still recognise that your choice of career means you have a responsibility not to endanger/compromise your teammates during the highest level of competition there is.

HypocritCommenters
Reply to  LittleFin
15 days ago

If they have had the vaccine what are they worried about??? Young Olympic swimmers who have taken the vaccine, and you are telling me they are still worried about what Covid can do to them? Get outta here.

LittleFin
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

They can still be made to self-isolate if they come into contact with someone who has it! Imagine getting all the way to the Olympics and then having to stay in your room because one of your teammates decided not to have the vaccine and gets the virus. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Ol' Longhorn
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

First of all, did he really have a Covid test to prove he had Covid? His family practically doesn’t believe in it, so I’m skeptical that he legit had it. As for antibodies, there’s even less likelihood he got tested for Covid antibodies.

Anonymous
Reply to  Ol' Longhorn
15 days ago

Yes he tested positive per his words.

sven
Reply to  Ol' Longhorn
15 days ago

This is the crux. If he can prove he had it, he’s not really a risk and should be considered vaccinated. I don’t think that should be as controversial as it is. However, I know some people who used “I already had it” as an excuse to ignore certain distancing/masking guidelines, and I could see that being the case here.

anonymous
Reply to  sven
15 days ago

He said that when he got back from ISL he did not feel well and could not smell or maybe taste food so he got tested and was positive for Covid. He wasn’t ill for very long. He thought he got it going through airports and international travel. It sounded legit.

Michelle Griglione
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

I thought freely when I asked our highly trained and extremely experienced pediatrician what his recommendation was for our daughter. He has known our child since the day she was born and is concerned with the best outcome for her overall health as well as the health of all of his patients. He told us he recommended the vaccine for her. Mainstream media, or any other media for that matter (including TikTok) had no involvement.

colonelhall
Reply to  HypocritCommenters
15 days ago

I can never understand Americans use of the phrase “mainstream media. Do they mean that section that actually gives voice to opposing opinions and upholds sound values, or do they mean the popular propaganda outlets such as Fox which reaches vast audiences?

anon
15 days ago

Honestly baffles me that any top tier athlete would refuse vaccination after seeing what happened to Eastin. Getting covid once doesn’t protect you from reinfections and in many cases subsequent infections are worse.

Huh
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

“in many cases” should be changed to “on very rare occasion”.

FletchMacFletch
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

Only a possibility that Eastin’s dysautonomia resulted from covid. “Impossible to tell” is an exact quote from the most recent NBCSports article on her. I’m befuddled why you are baffled.

XRay
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

Eastin’s dysautonomia and chronic fatigue is of unknown cause, as far as I’ve heard. No proof she ever had covid.

Look up Everest Romney, a teenage basketball player in Utah who was hospitalized with blood clots in his brain after his 1st Pfizer shot. His dad was hospitalized with lung clots after his first Moderna shot.

Can you really blame an athlete for declining the shot, especially if he already has natural immunity?

XRay
Reply to  anon
15 days ago

No evidence for your “subsequent infections are worse” comment. Probably the opposite.

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James swam five years at Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, specializing in the 200 free, back and IM. He finished up his collegiate swimming career in 2018, graduating with a bachelor's degree in economics. In 2019 he completed his graduate degree in sports journalism. Prior to going to Laurentian, James swam …

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