2021 ACC Men’s Championships: Day 3 Ups/Mids/Downs

by Robert Gibbs 36

February 26th, 2021 ACC, College, News, Previews & Recaps

2021 ACC Men’s Swimming Championships

  • When: Wednesday, February 24th to Saturday, February 27th Prelims 10:00 am | Finals 6:00 pm (1650 prelims Saturday at 4:00 pm)
  • Where: Greensboro Aquatic Center, Greensboro, North Carolina (Eastern Time Zone)
  • Defending Champion: North Carolina State University (NC State) (29x, 6th-straight) (results)
  • Streaming: ACC Network
  • Championship Central: Here
  • Detailed Timeline: Here
  • Psych Sheets: Here
  • Live Results

For those unfamiliar with swimming terminology, the concept of “Ups” and “Downs” is a good way to track which teams performed best at prelims. In prelims, swimmers qualify for one of three finals heats: the top 8 finishers make the A final, places 9 through 16 the B final and places 17 through 24 the C final. In finals, swimmers are locked into their respective final, meaning a swimmer in the B heat (spots 9-16) can only place as high as 9th or as low as 16th, even if they put up the fastest or slowest time of any heat in the final.

With that in mind, we’ll be tracking “Ups,” “Mids” and “Downs” after each prelims session. “Up” refers to swimmers in the A final, “Mid” to swimmers in the B final and “Down” to swimmers in the C final.

NC State and Virgina Tech both had big mornings, with each school qualifying a total of 8 swimmers for tonight’s A-finals, while Louisville and UVA each qualified 6 A-finalists, but got a few more swims in the B and C finals than did NC State or VT.

Day 2 Ups/Mids/Downs

All 100 Fly 400 IM 200 Free 100 Breast 100 Back
NC State 8/6/1 1/1/0 3/1/0 3/1/0 0/2/0 1/1/1
VT 8/2/4 3/0/1 2/0/0 1/0/0 1/1/2 1/1/1
Louisville 6/8/4 1/4/0 0/1/2 1/1/1 1/0/1 3/2/0
UVA 6/6/3 0/0/3 2/1/0 1/2/0 2/1/0 1/1/1
GT 4/2/2 1/1/0 0/0/0 1/0/1 1/1/1 1/0/0
ND 2/7/6 0/0/2 1/4/0 0/2/1 1/0/0 0/1/3
UNC 2/5/4 1/1/0 0/0/2 0/2/1 1/1/0 0/1/1
Florida St 2/4/3 0/1/0 0/1/1 1/0/2 0/1/0 1/1/0
PITT 2/1/5 1/0/1 0/0/2 0/0/1 1/1/1 0/0/0
Duke 0/0/6 0/0/1 0/0/1 0/0/1 0/0/3 0/0/0
BC 0/0/1 0/0/0 0/0/0 0/0/0 0/0/0 0/0/1

Projected Points by Events

NC State Louisville VT UVA ND UNC GT Florida St PITT Duke BC
100 Fly 36.0 82.5 88.0 17.5 9.0 39.0 39.0 18.5 28.5 4.0 0
400 IM 88.5 24.0 47.0 68.0 94.5 12.0 0.0 18.0 3.0 7.0 0
200 Free 100.0 41.0 27.0 55.0 28.0 33.0 35.0 32.0 2.0 9.0 0
100 Breast 31.0 34.0 44.0 70.0 23.0 40.0 38.0 20.0 49.0 13.0 0
100 Back 44.0 109.0 48.5 43.0 25.5 20.0 27.0 42.0 0.0 0.0 3.0

While a few teams got three swimmers into an A-final, Louisville is the only team projected to score over 100 points in a single event today, thanks to three ups and two mids in the 100 back. Also of note, Boston College got their first individual scorer of the meet with a C-finalist in the 100 back. Outside of Boston College, only two other teams failed to score points in any particular event, with both Pitt and Duke getting blanked in the 100 back. That happened a combined total of five times yesterday between UNC, Pitt, Duke, and Notre Dame.

Projected Team Scores After Day 3 Individual Events

Here’s what the scores looked like last night, including all three diving events:

  1. Virginia Tech – 487
  2. Louisville – 470
  3. NC State – 456
  4. UNC – 372
  5. Florida State – 354
  6. Virginia – 335
  7. Georgia Tech – 307
  8. Pitt – 208
  9. Miami (FL) – 207
  10. Notre Dame/Duke – 203
  11. (tie)
  12. Boston College – 98

And here’s what the scores are projected to be tonight:

  1. Louisville – 760
  2. NC State – 755.5
  3. Virginia Tech – 741.5
  4. Virginia – 588.5
  5. UNC – 516
  6. Florida State – 484.5
  7. Georgia Tech – 446
  8. Notre Dame – 383
  9. Pitt – 290.5
  10. Duke – 236
  11. Miami (FL) – 207
  12. Boston College – 101

If swimmers were to replicate their places from this morning, the above totals are what the scores would look like heading into the 400 medley relay night. It looks like it continues to be a tight three-way battle for first, with Louisville, NC State, and Virginia Tech all projected to be within 18.5 points of each other after the conclusion of tonight’s individual events. UVA is still clawing its way back up the standings after scoring 0 diving points, but barring some amazing swims tonight and tomorrow morning, or one of the top three teams unexpectedly faltering, it looks like the Cavaliers may be heading for a 4th-place finish.

While UNC had a nice advantage in diving points, they’re also projected to keep scoring enough swimming points to stay ahead of Florida State and Georgia Tech. Notre Dame should pull ahead of Duke, Miami and Pitt, but several of the races are close enough that a relay disqualification could still make a big difference.

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Tim
5 months ago

Louisville had 22 swims today, VT had 17 and NC State had 16. How many swims does each team have tomorrow?

Admin
Reply to  Tim
5 months ago

We won’t know until we get the heat sheets.

Faulty Touch Pad
Reply to  Tim
5 months ago

Louisville missed 4 finals swims, VT missed 3 swims, and NC State missed finals in only 1 swim. Do with that info as you will

Tim
Reply to  Faulty Touch Pad
5 months ago

Don’t know how many each team had yesterday.

ACCSwimFan
Reply to  Tim
5 months ago

Assuming everyone does 3 events, that leaves 21 for NC State, 19 for VT and 17 for Louisville and UVA. Louisville and UVA each already have a swimmer that have maxed out their 3 swims.
Technically VT could do 20 but Herbert swam the 50, no event today and he will do the 100 tomorrow. Doubt he doubles. Vipavetz will double the 200 fly and 1650.

Pack Alum
5 months ago

Does NCSU have a full team this week?

Yup
Reply to  Pack Alum
5 months ago

Yes. If they didnt, sure us a ballsy move leaving multiple guys in Raleigh instead of taking one of them instead.

Last edited 5 months ago by Yup
Swammer
5 months ago

Louisville and VT need a lead heading into the miles tomorrow. NCS has the depth to sweep the top three in the 1650. I’m just relishing the fact that there is a tight team battle this year because that NCS 2021 class is gonna hit different.

Admin
Reply to  Swammer
5 months ago

Yeah that NC State class, depending on how they pan out, could be in discussion for best classes ever.

Only thing they’re missing is a real lockdown breaststroker (that we know of), though there’s a bunch of 55s in the group.

Tim
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

Sam Hoover has a 54.10 breaststroke, so if he could get that down a couple seconds they’d be in good shape.

Admin
Reply to  Tim
5 months ago

For sure. I don’t know if his focus will be breaststroke, but as an IMer, he’ll certainly keep working on it. May wind up being a 2IM/4IM/2breast guy.

NC Fan
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

And Bustos went 55.16 over a year ago. Not special by itself but shows the Swiss-army knife nature of a few of those guys who may not have focused on breaststroke but probably could if needed…since it isn’t going to be Curtiss or Hayes!

Swammer
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

What would you say is one of the best classes ever? On the top of my mind I’d say the senior class for Cal right now with Hoffer, Grieshop, Carr, Julian, Mefford, Hatch. (I still can’t believe they’re all seniors).

Wahooswimfan
Reply to  Swammer
5 months ago

Best class ever was IU getting Spitz, Hall and a bunch of other studs way back in ’70.

NC Fan
Reply to  Swammer
5 months ago

And woe unto the rest of us if that Cal ‘senior’ class all decided to be seniors again next year which they could with this Covid freebie year. Hopefully they’ll decide to go out with a bang after this season!

Joe
Reply to  NC Fan
5 months ago

can they? I did see that basketball players can do that, but didn’t know it was all athletes.

NC Fan
Reply to  Joe
5 months ago

Yes, all Fall and Winter sports can come back

Not Sam Hoover
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

Take it back 😭

Swimfan
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

Which is odd because they arguably have the best breaststroke group in the country on the women’s side.

JP input is too short
Reply to  Swammer
5 months ago

I mean, Jack Hoagland exists, but I get your general point.

Say’s Phoebe
Reply to  JP input is too short
5 months ago

Don’t be silly JP.
I mean, Hoagland had three podium finishes as a freshman last year, and he won the 500 last night, but none of it count because Swimswam didn’t peg him as a top recruit.

Concerned Fan
5 months ago

Yall sleeping on GT’s IMer

Admin
Reply to  Concerned Fan
5 months ago

Caio Pumputis didn’t swim the 400 IM, he swam the 100 breaststroke today.

Notclarkwakeland _
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

Santiago Corredor of FSU scratched the 400 im and left the door wide open for Jonathan “the machine” Shaheen of GT

GA Boy
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

He is referring to legendary freshman Jonathan “Jamesy” “The Palestinian Power” “The Machine” Michael Said Shaheen! *he’s more Rudy than Rudy!

GA Boy
Reply to  GA Boy
5 months ago

*edit “Jbird” not “jamesy” I am incredibly sorry.

Rafael
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

Pumputis is probably someone who will outscore his prelims and gt medley relay might do well.

Mike oxmul
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

He is referring to Jonathan shaheen in which is a sophomore on the come up he will hopefully do good tonight he does not get the credit he deserves

Admin
Reply to  Mike oxmul
5 months ago

Oh I get it, y’all are trying to meme your teammate.

Say’s Phoebe
5 months ago

Manoff (VT) doubled the 1 fly and 2free today landing two A finals. Very impressive. Manoff has been on three relays so far, VT has some options for tonight’s relay.
Albiero, Whyte, Sophianidis, and Lowe (Louisville) all swam the 1fly/1back double today resulting in four A and four B finals. Lowe will not have a race tomorrow.
Edwards and Cole (UVA) also swam the fly/back double today resulting in 1 B and 2 C finals.
Dant, Wiltsey, and Healy (NC State) can all race twice on Saturday.
Dant did this last year and made an A final in the 2back and then took the 22 points after racing the 1650 in the last heat.
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Bad Knees
5 months ago

Just curious as I didn’t search…..but take out the diving (which we did amazing so kudos there) where would UNC be? Well back of 5th we know in the projections.

Last edited 5 months ago by Bad Knees
Hoofan
Reply to  Bad Knees
5 months ago

I’d love to know the same thing! UVA got a whopping 0 points from their divers this year, and taking that out might completely change the meet

WellOhWell
Reply to  Bad Knees
5 months ago

Points are points, my friend. Why does it matter if it’s from diving?

Bad Knees
Reply to  WellOhWell
5 months ago

I get it…..one team…..but it is good to dissect where the performance is coming from. And from the question I asked, it matters to me.

Bad Knees
Reply to  Bad Knees
5 months ago

And for context as I have said in the resent posts I am a UNC Alum and supporter. Diving did an awesome job. And to add to that the ACC has a swimmer of the week and diver of the week so it is spoken about differently…even on swimswam.

Last edited 5 months ago by Bad Knees
Tim
Reply to  Bad Knees
5 months ago

Scores after diving:
VT: 142
LOU: 120
NCSU: 62
UVA: 0

Difference between uva and 3rd is over 142 points so diving probably wouldn’t matter at all.