Can Anyone Outscore The Texas Men In Their Quadrathlon Competition?

The Texas men held their annual Quadrathlon competition on Friday, where the team’s top swimmers competed in a 4×50 on 8:00 with each 50 being a different stroke, and scored points in each event. Texas pro swimmer Shaine Casas won the Quadrathlon with 5,166 points, becoming the first person in the meet’s history to score over 5,000 points.

Upon receiving the results from the Texas Quadrathlon, we asked ourselves: How many points could swimmers from other teams score in a Quadrathlon, and are any of them capable of beating out Casas’ point total? Luckily for us, we do have Quadrathlon results from other teams, as Indiana did one in September 2021 and Virginia did one in March 2022, right before NCAAs. However, neither team scored their results the way Texas did. So in this article, we decided to score out the times from the IU and UVA Quadrathlons using the Texas scoring system, and compare them to the scores of the Texas men.

We acknowledge that IU and UVA may have done their 50s on a different interval compared to Texas, so their times may not be 100% reflective of their true capabilities in a Texas-style Quadrathlon.

Before we get started with the comparisons, here’s a quick refresher on the Texas scoring system:

  • For each 50 event, there is a time associated that is worth 1000 points. Every tenth of a second faster that a swimmer goes adds 10 points, whereas every tenth of a second slower will subtract 10 points. In the end, the swimmer with the highest point total after the 4×50 is declared the winner.
  • The 1000-point times were set by Texas head coach Eddie Reese back in the 1980s and haven’t been changed since. Those times are 23.0 in the 50 fly, 24.0 in the 50 back, 28.0 in the 50 breast, and 21.5 in the 50 free.
  • According to Texas assistant coach Wyatt Collins, very few swimmers have scored over 4,900 points before, and that anything above 4,600 points is considered “elite”.

Here were Texas’s results:

SWIMMER 50 FLY 50 BACK 50 BREAST 50 FREE POINT TOTAL
Shaine Casas 20.5 20.7 24.7 19.3 5166
Carson Foster 21.4 21.4 24.7 20.1 4933
Caspar Corbeau 21.2 22.9 24.1 19.6 4896
Jake Foster 21.3 22.6 24.3 20.3 4845
Danny Krueger 21.5 22.2 25.4 19.6 4811
Will Licon 21.4 22.6 24.5 20.8 4760
Will Chan 22.0 23.5 24.5 20.5 4637

Indiana

Out of the top Indiana swimmers, only two of them were able to break 4,600: Gabriel Fantoni and Van Mathias, who scored 4,878 and 4,852 points respectively. Fantoni’s point total was largely boosted by a 20.85 50 fly and a 20.99 50 back, which accounted for 516 out of the 878 points that he added to his base 4,000. In fact, he joins Casas as the only two men in this hypothetical IU-UVA-UT showdown to break 21 seconds in both the 50 back and 50 fly. Mathias had a strong 19.80 50 free and 24.86 50 breast, with his 50 free time being the fastest out of all IU men and his 50 breast time being the second-fastest.

In addition, Brendan Burns, Luke Barr, and Rafael Miroslaw were all less than 50 points away from hitting 4,600.

Compared to Texas, Indiana was much weaker in breaststroke and freestyle. While Texas had six swimmers break 25 seconds in the 50 breast, Indiana only had two in their competition. In freestyle, Texas had three swimmers go under 20 seconds, whereas Indiana only had one.

Indiana’s Top Scorers:

SWIMMER 50 FLY 50 BACK 50 BREAST 50 FREE POINT TOTAL
Gabriel Fantoni 20.85 20.99 25.74 20.14 4,878
Van Mathias 21.58 21.74 24.86 19.80 4,852
Brendan Burns 21.04 21.40 27.43 20.58 4,597
Luke Barr 22.24 22.33 25.66 20.58 4,569
Rafael Miroslaw 22.01 22.59 26.11 20.20 4,559

Virginia

Points-wise, Virginia performed better than Indiana in this hypothetical competition. This is not a surprise, considering that the Cavalier men are extremely sprint-heavy. Matt Brownstead had a very impressive showing, scoring 4,909 points to get over the elusive 4,900-point barrier. His 19.49 50 free time was the third-fastest amongst the UT, IU, and UVA swimmers, with only Matt Kings 19.34 and Casas’ 19.3 being quicker.

Josh Fong, Jack Aikins, Matt King, and Justin Grender were all able to score over 4,600 points as well.

Similar to Indiana, Virginia was also weak in breaststroke compared to Texas, as they had two swimmers in their Quadrathlon break 25 seconds in the 50 breast compared to Texas’ six. However, their freestyle was stronger than Texas, as they had four swimmers under 20 seconds versus Texas’ three.

Virginia’s Top Scorers:

SWIMMER 50 FLY 50 BACK 50 BREAST 50 FREE POINT TOTAL
Matt Brownstead 21.20 21.89 24.83 19.49 4,909
Josh Fong 21.29 22.23 25.21 20.47 4,730
Jack Aikins 22.03 22.32 25.24 19.70 4,721
Matt King 21.25 22.60 26.15 19.34 4,716
Justin Grender 21.74 21.88 26.35 20.04 4,648

Total Rankings

After scoring both the Indiana and Virginia men, we decided to compile the Quadrathlon results from all three teams and make a top ten leaderboard. And while Texas still dominates, holding six of the top ten spots, Virginia and Indiana both got two of their swimmers into the top ten as well. That being said, we only know of three different schools who have done a Quadrathlon and shared their results to us. Hopefully this article will spark a chain reaction (just like the 75 with fins race videos), and we’ll get more schools participating in this challenge using the Texas-style scoring format. Maybe after that, we’ll get a variety of different schools in the top ten, and potentially someone challenging Shaine Casas‘ 5,166 point total.

SwimSwam’s Quadrathlon Top Ten Leaderboard:

  1. Shaine Casas, Texas — 5,166 points
  2. Carson Foster, Texas —4,993 points
  3. Matt Brownstead, Virginia — 4,909 points
  4. Caspar Corbeau, Texas — 4,896 points
  5. Gabriel Fantoni, Indiana — 4,878 points
  6. Van Mathias, Indiana — 4,852 points
  7. Jake Foster, Texas — 4,845 points
  8. Danny Krueger, Texas — 4,811 points
  9. Will Licon, Texas — 4,760 points
  10. Josh Fong, Virginia — 4,730 points

What About The Women?

Of course, we couldn’t end this article without highlighting what the Virginia women could have done in this Quadrathlon. And while the Texas scoring format was designed for male swimmers, elite female swimmers of today’s era are certainly capable of beating out the 1,000-point times set by Eddie Reese. The Texas women didn’t participate in this, but when looking at the results from the Indiana and Virginia women in their respective competitions, we discovered that Virginia’s Kate Douglass was the only female swimmer to not earn negative points in any 50 stroke event. In fact, she accumulated 4,201 total points, a feat that she accomplished in the midst of tapering for 2022 NCAAs—where she went on to break three American records in three strokes.

Gretchen Walsh also broke the 4,000 barrier, scoring 4,112 points, while her sister Alex Walsh was close with 3,969 points.

Considering that Douglass is the fastest woman ever in the 50 fly (relay split) and 50 free (flat start), is also an American record holder in a breaststroke event, and has the fastest recorded time in the women’s 100 IM, it’s reasonable to assume that she would probably be the highest female scorer in the history of this Texas-style Quadrathlon. That being said, anything can happen, and if there’s a woman out there who thinks they can beat Douglass’ point total, feel free to try (For example, Maggie MacNeil would probably be a strong candidate to do so).

SWIMMER 50 FLY 50 BACK 50 BREAST 50 FREE POINT TOTAL
Kate Douglass 22.37 23.47 27.33 21.32 4,201
Gretchen Walsh 22.86 23.04 28.42 21.06 4,112
Alex Walsh 23.56 24.38 26.97 21.90 3,969

 

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John Hueth
2 months ago

Gretchen Walsh going 21.06 in the 50 free!

Bub
2 months ago

I feel like in scy Dressel wipes the floor with everyone even with backstroke included

jeff
Reply to  Bub
2 months ago

yeah idk i don’t see much competition. His freestyle and fly are untouchable and his breaststroke would prob be one of the fastest too. Idk how fast his back is but it can’t possibly be bad enough to be overtaken by someone else

MarkB
Reply to  jeff
2 months ago

Yes, I feel he could probably be under 20 in Fly and 19 in Free. Maybe even under 24 on Breast. Then, any Back time would be fine.

Swimmer
Reply to  MarkB
2 months ago

For sure under 24 he’s been 50.0 in the 100

maximum mchuge
2 months ago

My dream: dressel, manadou, morozov, seeliger, andrew, casas, ceccon, and proud/hoffer

Last edited 2 months ago by maximum mchuge
Drewbrewsbeer
Reply to  maximum mchuge
2 months ago

Beat me to it.

Willswim
2 months ago

Eager to click on tomorrow’s article titled “Braden Holloway had multiple men break 6000 points in quadrathlon”.

There's no doubt that he's tightening up
Reply to  Willswim
2 months ago

The new 75 with fins meme

Swimmer
2 months ago

Carles Coll marti and Luca I’m sure would have pretty nasty scores

Guy
2 months ago

I’m curious to see what Luca Urlando could do

Willswim
Reply to  Guy
2 months ago

Luca can have the 8th lane when we get Casas, MA, Marchand, Dressel, Chlorine Daddy, Duncan, and Chalmers to do this.

hd swim
Reply to  Willswim
2 months ago

isn’t this challenge just 50? Pop, Chalmers, Scott, Marchand maybe wouldn’t be very good at this as they aren’t truly elite in any 50m. I think Andrew would win and in their primes Morozov and Manadou would also be absolutely amazing

TINYHANDS
Reply to  hd swim
2 months ago

I don’t think Andrew beats Dressel, not in SCY. In this hypothetical scenario Dressel annihilates the field in fly and free, and could win the breast…don’t forget he was the American/NCAA/US Open record holder in the 100 breast. The only “weakness” he has is back and I doubt Andrew or anyone else would make up enough ground to overtake him.

LCM is a different story and I could see Andrew taking that.

Admin
Reply to  TINYHANDS
2 months ago

Yeah among Americans, I think Dressel is the obvious favorite here. MA would be very, very good in this format, but I don’t think he beats Caeleb.

hd swim
Reply to  TINYHANDS
2 months ago

oh for some reason i assumed this was lcm. For SCM or SCY Dressel would definitely beat andrew. He would beat him in Free and Fly and could beat him in Breast. Also with back dressel could just stay underwater for 30m and then just absolutely swing his arms when he’s on the surface

Noah
2 months ago

Michael Andrew?

Teal
Reply to  Noah
2 months ago

This meet format seems made for swimmers like Michael Andrew

PBJSwimming
Reply to  Noah
2 months ago

One too many fifties for MA.

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