Open Turn, Episode 1: A Record Breaking Weekend to Remember

  18 Garrett McCaffrey | November 14th, 2012 | Arena Pro Swim Series, College, Featured, FINA World Cup Series, International, National, News, Open Turn, Short Course World Championships

In Episode 1 of Open Turn, Braden “The Machine” Keith and Garrett McCaffrey discuss the record breaking swims at the Minnesota Grand Prix and the Florida High School State Championships. While all the record breaking swims were happening here state-side the FINA World Cup Series wrapped up and sent Katinka Hosszu home with over $150, 000. Kenneth To won the men’s $100,000 grand prize, one of very few positive headlines in the Australian swimming media. What’s up with Australia in panic mode down under? Braden and Garrett discuss that and more on Open Turn!

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3 years 11 months ago

I understand Braden’s point about the private school aspect of that relay, but private schools have been around for a long, long, long time. Only two other relays in the history of high school swimming ever went under 3:00 before those boys did the first time in October, unshaved. This time, they annihilated that record. I think that BECAUSE Murphy could gone 45.3 swimming for any school is precisely what makes a team effort on that relay so incredible. To put those performances together, for all of them to be so great at one time and to be so much faster than anyone has ever considered going is unique in its excellence.

Way to go boys.

3 years 11 months ago

There are ‘ordinary’ private and prep schools, and then there are a handful of schools that draw from far beyond the channels that the typical private or prep school draws from. Bolles is one of those handfuls that goes beyond, and has developed a reputation for being a place to send a talented junior who has already outgrown a fairly small pond in their home country. They’re way beyond the scope you see at a Germantown or Peddie in that regard.

Add in students from a few other schools like Pine Crest, St. Andrews, etc. and the FHSAA 1A state championship is also typically the de facto Caribbean junior championships in most years.

“Since 1972 Bolles has had swimmers represented at each Olympics. A total of 48 Bolles students or former students have participated in the Olympics, representing a total of 28 countries or territories including American Samoa, Bahamas, Barbados, Brazil, Brunei, Canada, Cayman Islands, Croatia, Guam, Israel, Jamaica, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands Antilles, Peru, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Seychelles, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, St. Lucia, Suriname, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, United States, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Zambia.”

3 years 11 months ago

Thank you. This is why i think there maybe should be American and Open HS records. I know there are private and public school records, but that doesn’t do it for me. There are great HS programs out there that produce just as well as Bolles and Sergio (New Trier, Carmel, Hershey, etc.) but don’t have the potential national and world wide drawing power. No one will move from Singapore or Oregon to Hershey, PA to attend Hershy HS and train there. Even thought arguably they would do just as well. Despite what Sergio says about not recruiting (I believe him) Bolles does have a distinct advantage in this area.

Cathy Durden
3 years 11 months ago

Two swim nerds talking about swimming for 20 minutes? Welcome to my new favorite segment on SwimSwam! Can’t wait for Episode 2!

3 years 11 months ago

I myself swim in Melbourne, Australia up to an Olympic trials cut level and am a swimming fanatic and it too amazes me how Alicia Coutts cant make a living. the money is clearly going to the wrong places with the CEO Kevin Neil being paid upward of $800,000 a year so I hear from some people. Alicia Coutts is not the only one that is under paid that is a top level athlete, unless you are have a Stephanie Rice, Eamon Sullivan or James Magnussen public profile you’re going to be doing it tough. And the sport isn’t struggling to make money either which again shows the lack of support by both the state and national level swimming organisations with Swimming Victoria, my state swimming body making $60,000 profit last year alone. Some of this should be going to our top level athletes. Hopefully the change in president see’s this. Something they are doing extremely well i believe though is getting high level racing experience into the next crop which has seen guys like Mack Horton improve greatly.

3 years 11 months ago

I have to disagree and argue that the 400 FR was the best swim. You are correct in saying that Bolles has the unique ability to attract this sort of top-end talent, but that time is a full 5 seconds faster than the record before this season started. FIVE seconds! That is a HUGE difference. As was stated, only New Trier and an un-official Bolles team from years ago ever got under 3:00 (and while New Trier is a public school, they have like 4200 kids and many in the area do choose to go their over some other schools). But this was a 2:54, with what is now the 3rd and 8th best 100 freestylers in the history of high school swimming, as well as the fastest 100 flyer in history, swimming on one team. I think we will see sub 3:00 become more standard for those super high school programs, but I think this record has the chance to become the new Kostoff 500 record of relays. It may take decades to break.

Also, that 45.34 was amazing, but we do still have Conger’s state meet, and should he choose to swim the 100 back instead of the 50/500 like last season, we could see that record fall this season.

3 years 11 months ago

No way Conger beats Murphy in any backstroke race for a long time. I’m calling it here first. I say between the two Murphy is undefeated for the next 5+ years. I’ve been watching Murphy for a couple years and i think he’s going to be really special, and in my opinion more special than Conger.

3 years 11 months ago

Maybe. Let’s see what Conger does at Tom Dolan in a few weeks, at least give him a shot to respond.

bobo gigi
3 years 11 months ago

For a few years now we know Ryan Murphy will probably dominate backstroke in the world. He already looks very powerful for his young age unlike Jack Conger who has no many muscles and has a big physical margin of improvements. I know Jack Conger is also very interested on freestyle. We’ll see the 2 in the next years but for now Ryan Murphy is ahead.

3 years 11 months ago

also, ryan is 11 months younger then conger

bobo gigi
3 years 11 months ago

Can anyone finally say me how tall is Ryan Murphy? Thank you.

3 years 11 months ago

Bobo, Ryan is 6’3″ as of August.

3 years 11 months ago

C’mon, we are only going to tackle the easy issue of who/what is more awesomer, Jack Conger, Ryan Murphy or that ridiculous relay?

I think USA Swimming is scurd. Scurd of investing in a grand prix series like that of the World Cup. The system in place has worked for so long, changing it might mean less gold in Rio, 2020, 2024, etc. The belief is you need all this training, this base work in the fall to be fast in August. Has anyone thought that maybe that isn’t true? Racing is training, plain and simple. Sure you need time to train, but this isn’t a circuit that lasts very long or one that has to be 10 weeks like the World Cup.

Getting together something like this takes time, money and the right ambitious people in USA Swimming to produce a circuit like that. The problem is, it seems most of those people don’t work their or care to because of how things are going (abuse lawsuit problems).

There needs to be a full time position created for this to work. Someone who is going to spend their time getting major and local sponsors, facilities and tv coverage for a cup circuit to work. If they get that person, this can happen without interrupting (allegedly) the training cycle too much. See my reply for my idea. I’m not that smart, so humor me.

3 years 11 months ago

Here is what I feel could happen.

1. Scrap the current Grand Prix series schedule. Not the series, just the same basic schedule every year.

2. On years going into even number summer years, the schedule works. By doing so, you put the least amount of distraction into training leading up to the Olympics. There are fewer meets, more time in between for training.

3. Up the final purse from 20K to 30K in these years, both sides of the gender line not just top swimmer. Each stop has an individual event purse of $250/125/75 (or more if, won’t argue) and a swim of the meet (based on Power Points or whatever we use here in the US. I Suppose yard swims don’t fit in the FINA scale) of $1000 (no gender lines here, points are points).

4. For a first run, coming off the Olympics, like this fall, run a condensed 5 meet, 5 week schedule. This could be called the Americas Cup. 1st Meet in the US, 2nd in Canada, 3rd stop Mexico, 4th in South America, 5th in the US. Throw in an extra day before 3rd and 5th stop.

Example Schedule 2012 Schedule:
US: Oct 4-5 (Austin, UT)
Canada: Oct 11-12 (Toronto)
Mexico: Oct 19-20 (Cancun)
South America: Oct 26-27 (Brazil?)
US: Nov 3-4 (Los Angeles, USC?)

The other big non-national meets during those years: UltraSwim, Santa Clara right where they are. This also solves the problem of traditionalists worrying about training: shorter circuit = less interference.

USA Swimming can even offer up a service (for a nominal fee) to help foreign athletes who would come over to have clinic opportunities lined up if they like to get more foreign born swimmers over here to compete. There are so many foreign athletes training over here, I’m sure one could crash and train somewhere (USC, Ariz, Cal, etc). How about inviting national teams to this circuit.

5. Prize Money follows the same basic structure of the FINA World Cup. $ amounts are TBD, but money at each stop for top 3, best swim, US Open Record, WR (in Canada/Mexico/South America) and obvious overall champ male and female.


Why won’t something like this work?

Because we like the way Team USA has performed in the biggest meets and the powers that be won’t do anything to jeopardize that. Its sad, really. It would take team work amongst those countries NGBs and an open mind on behalf of USA Swimming. I think it could work.

This is only one persons ideas…

3 years 11 months ago

i think you are geniuses and i think you are idiots

3 years 11 months ago

That means you listened all the way to the end – victory!

bobo gigi
3 years 11 months ago

Thank you for this new segment of swimswam. Always good to watch 2 passionate guys who talk about swimming. I don’t understand all what you say but I understand most of your comments and it’s very interesting.
I’ve voted for Ryan Murphy in the poll of the week.
In the weeks to come I think you will have some records to comment like world records by Camille Muffat in short course meters and american records by Missy Franklin or Katie Ledecky in short course yards.

3 years 11 months ago

Braden I want to see your mug lets get some light above your computer!


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