Psych vs Seed: Which Men’s Teams Perform Better and Which Perform Worse at NCAAs (2025)

by Madeline Folsom 16

March 14th, 2025 College, News

2025 Men’s NCAA Swimming and Diving Championships

  • March 26-29, 2025
  • Weyerhaeuser King County Aquatics Center, Federal Way, Washington
  • Short Course Yards (25 yards)
  • Psych Sheets

The Men’s NCAA Swimming & Diving Championships start in a few weeks, and just like we did for the women, we are trying to determine how the team race will play out.

We started this journey earlier this week when we scored out the psych sheets with no diving and predicting every team will swim their exact seed placement. While this method can be helpful in determining what the race might look like, it doesn’t paint a complete picture.

There are some things we can’t predict. Injuries and DQs happen to everyone and we don’t have a crystal ball telling us what swimmer would be injured when or what relay this team will DQ (though it would make our jobs easier). In the absence of these things, though, there are other methods to predict how a team might swim at Nationals.

Over the last few years, we have compiled the data for how a team performs at the meet vs how they were seeded to perform based on the scored psych sheets. While this is not a definitive method for determining placement, it can help give insight into what we might expect to see.

The men’s teams have far more volatility in their performances than the women, and where we are starting to see women’s teams carry their performances through, that has not been the case on the men’s side.

Last year, California had the biggest increase of any team, adding 125.5 points to their seeded score. This was expected on our end, since many of their top swimmers did not compete at PAC-12s last season and were seeded poorly as a result. Cal is a team that typically out performs their seed, and last year was just another example. In 2022, they improved 129 points, in 2021 they improved 119.5, and in 2019 they improved 158. Based on our projections, they would need almost 200 points to catch Texas without including any diving.

Indiana also saw huge improvement from their seeded swims, adding 61.5 points to their seeded placement. This was slightly less than the +82 they saw in 2023, but was far better than the -25 and -22 they swam in 2022 and 2021.

Texas, who historically outperforms their seed by a large margin did not see that same trend at last year’s meet. They still increased their points by 30.5, but this was a much smaller improvement than their +170.5 in 2023, their +74.5 in 2022, and their +83.5 in 2021. If they repeat this performance this year, they could give other teams the stamina to catch them, though Florida is their closest competition and has underperformed in recent years.

Where teams are seeing huge improvements in their seeds, other teams have to see significant decreases. There are a finite number of points, and the points it took for Cal to improve by 125 had to come from somewhere.

Florida had the worst performance of the teams last year, dropping 69 points from the psych sheets. This was actually in-line with their performance from 2023 where they lost 66.5 points. They have had years where they performed well, but they have never had a +60 year which is what they would need to catch Texas.

After Florida, Georgia had the next worst performance at -57. They are similar to Florida in the fact that not every year sees that level of drop, but they go back and forth between improving and doing worse.

There are other factors to consider this year that can impact how a school will perform. ASU and Texas both have new head coaches, meaning they have new taper strategies. ASU historically adds just a bit from their seeded scoring, last year coming in at -14.5.

The other thing to consider is how conference realignments will affect these scores. While previously Texas has not needed to fully rest to win the Big-12s, they were in the SEC this year which meant two things, an earlier and longer meet, and a harder meet. ASU and Cal also moved conferences, which led to similar differences. PAC 12s ran a separate men’s and women’s meet with the men’s meet swimming one week later than the women’s but two weeks after than ACCs where Cal is now. This extra two weeks can significantly impact a rest/taper schedule that has previously worked well for the Bears.

The shift of these teams, along with others, also made these conference meets faster. How the other teams accounted for this extra speed could also play into NCAA performance.

ASU moved to the Big-12 which is just one week earlier, but they moved into an easier conference than the PAC-12. This could impact their Championship performance in a different direction if they needed less rest to win the meet.

The bottom line is, we can do all the predicting and analyzing in the world, but swimmers and coaches are human and we can’t account for that. Our charts have the average increase/decrease in performance over the last three years and the yearly increase/decrease, but that doesn’t tell the full story. We could be looking at a very exciting team race, though, with all of these factors being taken into account and the addition of diving, or… we could be looking at a Texas blowout.

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JeahBrah
12 hours ago

But Andrew has been saying over and over that Texas always chokes at NCAAs?

horninco
16 hours ago

The most accurate assessment would be to track swimmers best times over a 2-3 year period and then score according to that. It allows for swimmers that have been injured or redshirted and gives the best case scenario for them, and also accounts for those that have not swum at a full taper this year.

Admin
Reply to  horninco
16 hours ago

The NCAA Championships are scored based on points though, right?

Go Bears
Reply to  Braden Keith
11 hours ago

I read the OP’s comment as a suggestion to score out the meet based on all of the qualifiers’ best times, instead of seed times, to give a more accurate picture.

I think it’s a great idea, but probably a decent amount more work to compile & calculate.

Long Strokes
16 hours ago

I could see Indiana edging Cal, but Cal will definitely score more points than they’re seeded to.

Spieker Pool Lap Swimmer
16 hours ago

I love it when articles like this come out because it reminds me that Swimming Christmas is only days away.

BR32
16 hours ago

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Cal managed to pull 200 points out of nowhere.

Several of their top swimmers (Lasco, Alexy, etc) are seeded nowhere close to what they went last year.

Last edited 16 hours ago by BR32
James Beam
Reply to  BR32
15 hours ago

the one thing that concerns me about Cal and Indiana is that a lot of their swimmers are not seeded high enough to be in circle seeded prelim heats. Are they going to swim fast enough to get into the A finals from the early heats? Always hard to do…

Troy
Reply to  James Beam
12 hours ago

Hard to do for kids with their lifetime bests that got them into the meet. For Cal, a lot of those guys are season veterans who know how to perform and what it takes to get a 2nd swim.

Bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  Troy
12 hours ago

Lasco, Seeliger, Alexy, Rose, Jett. Who else would be classified as a seasoned vet?

BR32
Reply to  Bobthebuilderrocks
11 hours ago

Tomas has international experience, Applebaum is a D3 champ, Lucas Henveaux also is a vet.

mds
Reply to  James Beam
7 hours ago

Destin Lasco was a Freshman for Cal at the 2021 NCAAs. He was seeded 48th of 49 in the 200 IM at 1:45.91. His PB had been from 3/2/2018 at 1:44.59 (NJ SIAA Meet of Champions)

He swam 1:40.61 in prelims, qualifying 1st for the final. In the final he further came down to 1:40.01, finishing third behind Shaine Casas and Hugo Gonzalez.

Adrian
16 hours ago

Texas has cut Haskal and Taivassalo to make way for their 4 divers to go to NCAAs, meaning the first 2 alternates, Goncharov from LSU and Dominguez from VA Tech are now in the meet. Campbell from OSU, the third alternate, should also be going after Cal cut another swimmer for their 2 divers.

From the updated psych sheet (https://websitedevsa.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/timesdocuments/ncaa/2024-2025-div-i/di-men-championships-psych-sheet-updated-3-13-25.pdf)

RJM
Reply to  Adrian
16 hours ago

I am surprised by these cuts. They must have confidence in the 200 flyers’ ability to move up.

Bobthebuilderrocks
Reply to  RJM
16 hours ago

I figured Taivassalo would get cut, but wasn’t sure who the last person would be. I think Logan Walker’s got a sneaky 200 fly cooking for NCAA’s.

JeahBrah
Reply to  RJM
7 hours ago

I think Haskal was in peak form at conference, his best event 500Fr has gotten so fast. I thought Taiv had a better chance of scoring in the 200Br, moreso than a couple of the divers tbh