2017 M. NCAA Up/Downs: Indiana, USC Locked in Battle for 5th

2017 MEN’S NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS

For those unfamiliar with swimming terminology, the concept of “Ups” and “Downs” is a good way to track which teams performed best at prelims. In prelims, swimmers qualify for one of two finals heats: the top 8 finishers make the A final, while places 9 through 16 make the B final. In finals, swimmers are locked into their respective final, meaning a swimmer in the B heat (spots 9-16) can only place as high as 9th or as low as 16th, even if they put up the fastest or slowest time of any heat in the final.

With that in mind, we’ll be tracking “Ups” and “Downs” after each prelims session at the Men’s NCAA Championships. “Up” refers to swimmers in the A final and “Down” refers to swimmers in the B final.

REFRESHER: TEAM SCORES THROUGH DAY 3

  1. Texas                           391.5   2. California                        253
  3. Florida                         224.5   4. NC State                          196
  5. Indiana                         189.5   6. Stanford                          160
  7. Southern Cali                   142.5   8. Univ of Georgia                   141
  9. Missouri                        135.5  10. Louisville                      102.5
 11. Auburn                          100.5  12. Alabama                            98
 13. Arizona State                      68  14. South Carolina                     60
 15. Purdue                             57  16. Texas A&M                          56
 17. Tennessee                          55  18. Michigan                           46
 19. Wisconsin                          33  19. Ohio St                            33
 21. University of Miami                31  22. Lsu                                28
 22. Virginia Tech                      28  24. Harvard                            21
 25. Arizona                          19.5  26. Minnesota                          18
 27. Penn St                            16  28. Notre Dame                         12
 28. Duke                               12  30. George Washington                   9
 31. Denver                              7  31. Florida State                       7
 33. UNC                                 6  34. Kentucky                            4
 34. Northwestern                        4  36. Cornell                             3
 37. Hawaii                              2  37. Penn                                2
 39. Pittsburgh                          1

After day 4 prelims, the Texas Longhorns are projected to win by nearly 200 points, getting 6 swimmers into the championship finals. Cal sould be safely locked into the runner-up spot, as their 5 scoring swims have them projected to finish about 50 points ahead of the  Florida Gators.

Things get interesting, however, in the battle for 4th and 5th. NC State is projected to finish about 28 points ahead of the Hoosiers, and they have 2 A finalists tonight to Indiana’s 1, so they should be able to hold them off. While they try to chase down NC State for 4th, they’ll also have to hold off USC, who is projected to come just 6 points behind Indiana, if they want to secure a top 5 finish.

Below, you can see each team’s individual updown count, their relay updowns, and their projected scores for tonight based on their prelims performances.

**NOTE: Up/Downs do not include platform diving or the 1650 free. Diving prelims have not yet concluded, and the 1650 free is a timed final event.**

INDIVIDUAL UP/DOWNS:

Projected Final Place Team Ups Downs Total Projected Final Score
1 Texas 5 1 6 521.5
2 Cal 3 2 5 337
3 Florida 1 1 2 287.5
4 NC State 2 1 3 261
5 Indiana 1 1 2 233.5
6 USC 3 2 5 227.5
7 Stanford 1 4 5 211.5
8 Georgia 3 2 5 196
9 Missouri 2 x 2 175.5
10 Alabama 2 2 4 150
11 Louisville 2 1 3 135.5
12 Auburn x 3 3 122
13 Arizona State x 1 1 96
14 Texas A&M 1 1 2 78
15 South Carolina 1 1 2 74.5
16 Purdue 1 x 1 71
17 Michigan x 1 1 55
17 Tennessee x x x 55
19 Virginia Tech 1 1 2 48
20 Wisconsin x 1 1 46
21 Ohio State x x x 41
22 Arizona 1 1 1 34
23 Notre Dame 1 1 1 33
24 Miami x x x 31
25 Harvard x 1 1 30
26 LSU x x x 28
27 Minnesota x 1 1 27
28 Denver 1 1 1 20
29 Penn State x 1 1 17
30 Duke x x x 12
31 GW x x x 9
32 Florida State x x x 7
33 UNC x x x 6
34 Towson x 1 1 5
35 Cornell x 1 1 4.5
36 Northwestern x x x 4
36 Kentucky x x x 4
38 Missouri State x 1 1 3
39 Penn x x x 2
39 Hawaii x x x 2
41 Pitt x x x 1

RELAY UP/DOWNS:

Projected Final Place Team 400 Free Relay Projected Final Score
1 Texas Up 521.5
2 Cal Up 337
3 Florida Up 287.5
4 NC State Up 261
5 Indiana Up 233.5
6 USC Up 227.5
7 Stanford Up 211.5
8 Georgia x 196
9 Missouri Down 175.5
10 Alabama Down 150
11 Louisville x 135.5
12 Auburn Down 122
13 Arizona State Up 96
14 Texas A&M x 78
15 South Carolina x 74.5
16 Purdue x 71
17 Michigan x 55
17 Tennessee x 55
19 Virginia Tech x 48
20 Wisconsin Down 46
21 Ohio State Down 41
22 Arizona Down 34
23 Notre Dame Down 33
24 Miami x 31
25 Harvard x 30
26 LSU x 28
27 Minnesota Down 27
28 Denver x 20
29 Penn State x 17
30 Duke x 12
31 GW x 9
32 Florida State x 7
33 UNC x 6
34 Towson x 5
35 Cornell x 4.5
36 Northwestern x 4
36 Kentucky x 4
38 Missouri State x 3
39 Penn x 2
39 Hawaii x 2
41 Pitt x 1

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15 Comments on "2017 M. NCAA Up/Downs: Indiana, USC Locked in Battle for 5th"

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Hopefully next year IU will focus their main taper on NCAAs because they’ve looked tired, with the exception of Pieroni and Elkamash. Every big 10 team has been off. IU’s divers have helped keep them in a good place. A top 5 finish will be tremendous for the program but wish a few more swimmers hit their taper again.

Does this take into account 1650 scoring?

No it doesn’t

And diving too. Does SC have any divers?

Theroadlesstravelled

USC has one diver that made the platform A finals.

StanFord has one in A final too and a couple that could score in 1650. IU has one diver in consols and 1 sWimmer in 1650 that could score. Battle for 5th will be exciting!

ON THE RISE – IU / USC / SOUTH CAROLINA / ASU / NOTRE DAME

ON THE DECLINE – MICHIGAN / TENNESSEE / ARIZONA / OHIO STATE / UVA

What happened to Arizona and Tennessee? Werent these SwimSwams dark horses to be in contention for relay wins? Both programs have struggled mightily on both mens and womens sides this year. Has UVA ever been good on the mens side in recent years?

USC looks fair at best. Mulcare and Carter are good, condorelli looks off, and the rest of Salo’s group look to be struggling.

South Carolina and Notre Dame look great no question. Asu and oh st are non factors.

take away the DQ in the 200 free relay and SC would be fifth at this meet.

Malone was off. Everyone else was on, multiple best times from Mulcare, Vissering, Carter, Tribuntsov, Condorelli

Absolutely not even close to being true. Take a closer look at the 200 IM and many other races before you say “everyone else was on.”

Cal wins next year

Porkchop2244

Agreed their the favorite, but states class is loaded too. Will be a good one. Not sure what’s up with H stuart but had he swam close to best times, NC state takes third. If he’s back next year and their class they’ll be with Cal

Michigan looks pathetic

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