SwimSwam Breakdown: Mid-Season Madness, ISL Playoffs & Jacoby Opens Floodgates

This week on the SwimSwam Breakdown, we cover the highlights from the first week of the NCAA Mid-season invites, the Finals picture after week 2 of the ISL playoffs, and what Lydia Jacoby signing with Arena means for the high school swimming community at large. See below for full list of topics:

NCAA Mid-Season Invites:

  • It was a good sign for Alabama head coach Margo Geer as her Tide rolled this weekend in their first rested outing with Geer at the helm
  • After taking a red-shirt season as a team, Arizona State had their “COVID comeback” as many of their athletes registered wins in Greensboro
  • Behind ACC records from Olympic medalists Alex Walsh and Kate Douglass, Virginia asserted themselves as the favorites to take the NCAA title over the Stanford women, who had strong showings themselves but not as much depth
  • Foreign freshman Ellen Walshe, Avery Wiseman, Andrei Minakov, and Leon Marchand all had their first major yards outings and all dropped major yards times

ISL Playoffs:

  • Dressel looked off in his playoff debut with the Condors
  • What will it take for Toronto to upset a London or LA for the 4th spot in the ISL final?

SINK or SWIM

  • Will Lydia Jaobcy’s signing with Arena open the floodgates for other high school stars to sign suit deals?
  • Is Kliment Kolesnikov the best bubble ring blower ever?
  • After seeing Claire Curzan down 3 National HS records in SCM, should high school state meets be held in SCM?
  • Will we see Caeleb Dressel‘s international event lineup change after announcing a switch in training with Anthony Nesty and Steve Jungbluth?
  • Will Adam Peaty compete in Eindhoven at all this season?

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swimgeek
8 days ago

Yes, open the FLOODGATES! The “flood” of *indv. Olympic gold medalists who are still high school*

dave
8 days ago

“Virginia asserted themselves as the favorites to take the NCAA title over the Stanford women”

Four months till March NCAA… don’t count Stanford out so easily!

Mr. Pack
Reply to  Coleman Hodges
8 days ago

THE PACK! Destroyed the trees, coming for the wahoos next!

Last edited 8 days ago by Mr. Pack
Ledecky will go 3:55 in Paris
Reply to  Mr. Pack
8 days ago

Sussy is that you

Breezeway
8 days ago

Hey Braden, you think you’re slick with your little NC State digs. 👊🏾

Mr. Pack
Reply to  Breezeway
8 days ago

The PACK is going to show everyone who is boss in March. SwimSwam is a bunch of haters. WOLF

Virtus
Reply to  Mr. Pack
8 days ago

Ur slowly turning me into a fan ngl

SwimFan247
8 days ago

Doesn’t Stanford have more top times in the NCAA right now that UVA?

Admin
Reply to  SwimFan247
8 days ago

Not sure. Waiting for all of the invites to get uploaded, then those questions will be easier to answer. Doesn’t look like the NC State Invite has been uploaded yet.

SwimFan76
8 days ago

Didn’t UVA get 3rd at the invite they went to? How do they get described as looking that good?

swimgeek
Reply to  Coleman Hodges
8 days ago

I think you can also say that NCAAs is not necessarily about “depth”. UVA brought 17 women swimmers/divers to NCAAs last year, but only 10 of them scored more than 4 pts. You can theoretically win NCAAs with 8-10 studs.

Last edited 8 days ago by swimgeek
Ervin
Reply to  swimgeek
8 days ago

but even that 8-10 is still more depth than most teams

SwimAlumpq
Reply to  SwimFan76
8 days ago

Yeah I mean minus a few good swims didn’t look to great overall! Check out the 2 free results…

Old Swimmer
8 days ago

Perhaps I shouldn’t read too much into this but didn’t Tennessee just beat Virginia at their Invitational? They sure have lots of depth so perhaps they could possibly give Virginia a run for their money at NCAAs. Go Vols!

Ghost
Reply to  Old Swimmer
8 days ago

Scoring a dual meet or an invite or a Conf champ is MUCH different than scoring at NCAAs! MUCH

Kevin
Reply to  Old Swimmer
8 days ago

There’s a big difference between depth in an invite vs NCAA depth. Tennessee can score lots of points at invite due to having a ton of women in their conference B/C final territory, but they don’t have enough firepower at the top for NCAA depth.

In fact, most teams don’t. That’s why you can get top 10 at NCAAs with elite relays and 1 or 2 stud swimmers.

Taa
Reply to  Old Swimmer
8 days ago

they have to be swimmers in the top 16 of their event(s) to matter at NCAAs. As an example Virginia has 3 likely A finalists in the 400IM. No one else has anything close to that. Add in their breaststrokers. Add in Walsh and Douglass in the 50/100free etc etc. In a nutshell they lost Paige Madden but replaced her with Gretchen Walsh and Emma Weyant so it looks like they can score a little more this year

SwimFan76
Reply to  Taa
8 days ago

For example didn’t Tennessee have two Women go 4:05 and 4:06? Both of which would be Top 8? Making them close to nobody having anything close to that?

Mr. Pack
Reply to  SwimFan76
8 days ago

One of those swimmers was Ellen Walshe, who swam 3 other events at the meet. Can’t do that at NCAAs. 4:06 will probably be borderline top 8 this year, not guaranteed.

Ghost
Reply to  SwimFan76
8 days ago

Uva went 1-2-3 in same meet I think so what is your point?

Taa
Reply to  SwimFan76
8 days ago

As seeded thats 53 vs 27 pts so its +26 to UVA which is dominating and Walshe isn’t swimming the 400IM it will tire her out too much so its really 53 to 14

Ghost
Reply to  Taa
8 days ago

Off subject but do you take out an Olympic silver medalist out of the 200 IM to swim a 50 when you have Gretchen Walsh? I am from the school of thought, points are points no matter if you get more in one and less in another. Yes I know you have Alex Walsh but is 1-2 in 200IM the same as 1-2 in the 50!

Admin
Reply to  Old Swimmer
8 days ago

Tennessee, as the home team, had a huge roster at their invite. They had 8 swimmers score in the 500 free for example. Virginia had 4. And that’s not because Tennessee has more fast swimmers, they just had more swimmers (9 entries versus 7). In the 200 IM, Virginia had 6 entries, Tennessee had 20. Literally 20.

It’s not that Tennessee shouldn’t be proud of their performance. They swam well and had a great meet. But if we pretend like that makes Tennessee the new favorites to win the NCAA title, then in THAT case, we’d actually be lying. We can use Tennessee’s performance to debate if they should be higher or lower than the #7 we had them in… Read more »

Orange Fan
Reply to  Braden Keith
8 days ago

One thing that does make this a little more impressive for the Lady Vols, is that they only scored the top 16 places in this invite….I don’t think anyone that’s fully understands NCAA scoring would argue that Tennessee is the favorite at NCAA’s, but they should be a solid favorite in a very competitive SEC meet and a top 5 factor at NC’s….

Admin
Reply to  Orange Fan
8 days ago

Then we agree: the commenters in this thread and others who are arguing that Tennessee is a title contender this season don’t understand NCAA scoring.

🤝

Once NC State gets those results uploaded, we’re planning to run some numbers to see if we can contextualize the invites by mashing them all together and scoring them. That’s still not definitive, given who didn’t race this weekend, but will help neutralize the math on the number of points Tennessee racked up with a big roster in attendance at the invite.

SwimFan76
Reply to  Braden Keith
8 days ago

It looks like the Tennessee Invite was the deepest between the others going on so will be interesting to see this comparison

Sir
Reply to  SwimFan76
8 days ago

Since you are very adamant about it, I did a rough breakdown of the top8/16 times by teams so far for you. Assuming 3 swims per swimmer, adding Alex Walsh into the 200 IM, and using Gretchen’s times from dual meets.

UVA: Top 8: 19, Top 16: 6
Stanford: 13, 2
NCSU: 12, 5
Tenn: 12, 8

It may not be 100% accurate but its very close. Tenn had a good invite, but UVA has almost as many top 8 swims as Tenn does top8/top16 total. Plus UVA has top 4 relays in every relay, while Tenn does not. This is why the SwimSwam team think “We aren’t counting Stanford out. But after this weekend, it’s… Read more »

Taa
Reply to  Braden Keith
8 days ago

Fire up the swimulator

Orange Fan
Reply to  Braden Keith
8 days ago

The NC State invite results were completed last night on “swimcloud” college swimming…
I did run a swimulator on the SEC meet…Call it a post mid-season very early SEC prescratch psych sheet..Haha

  1. UT. 1428
  2. Bama 1129
  3. UK. 1088
  4. UGA 927
  5. Auburn 805
  6. Mizzou 791
  7. Gators 701
  8. Texas A&M 685

……. Obviously……Lots can and will change in the next 3 months, but this was a fun first snap shot. Thanks for all you do with the swimming “news”.

Admin
Reply to  Braden Keith
8 days ago

Preview: Virginia is ahead, even without an 800 free relay.

Swimmer4life
8 days ago

I am surprised you failed to note
1) Dressel had jet lag (traveled right before)
2) He did win the 100 IM

Orange Fan
8 days ago

I thought that it was an oversight that you talked about Alabama and UVA, but didn’t mention the depth and dominance of the Lady Vols. As a Vols fan I’m fine with them flying under the radar, but will love it when you are suprised at their success this season!

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Coleman Hodges

Coleman started his journey in the water at age 1, and although he actually has no memory of that, something must have stuck. A Missouri native, he joined the Columbia Swim Club at age 9, where he is still remembered for his stylish dragon swim trunks. After giving up on …

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