Garrett Reports: Weekend Results Wrap Up

  67 Garrett McCaffrey | July 09th, 2012 | Featured, International, London 2012 Olympics, News, SwimSwam Video News

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liquidassets
4 years 2 months ago

Answer: Muffat will obviously be very fast. I think she is trying to intimidate Pellegrini and the others with her crazy splits. I agree Wu looks very consistent. That’s too bad about Coventry; I didn’t realize she’d been injured and had wondered what happened; that’s pretty damn good considering. How did she dislocate her patella??

john26
4 years 2 months ago

Some other VERY VERY big controversial news.
Braden/Garret/Mel, this might be…… headline worthy stuff
http://blog.pe.com/jim-alexander/2012/07/09/column-clary-calls-out-the-king-of-the-pool/

Clary is really looking to piss Phelps off :/

john26
4 years 2 months ago

Some other VERY VERY big controversial news.
@Braden Keith /Garret/Mel, this might be…… headline worthy stuff
http://blog.pe.com/jim-alexander/2012/07/09/column-clary-calls-out-the-king-of-the-pool/

Clary is really looking to piss Phelps off :/

bobo gigi
4 years 2 months ago

Tyler Clary goes absolutely crazy! What’s the use of saying that? Two weeks before the olympic games! Does he want to destroy the atmosphere at the training camps? He’s jealous and it’s really stupid. He has lost all my consideration.

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Yes I agree, in the middle of training camp was not the time to pipe up with this crap. Phelps’ losses over the last few years have shown that if he doesn’t do the work even he can’t hope to win. but he’s shown the last year or so he has been doing the work. A lot of that work has been happening holed up in Colorado, so it’s really terrible that Clary felt the need to say such things…

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Clary’s hope for the 400IM was to go 4:08 according to him, had he not had a “viral infection” and performed as expected he would have still lost to Phelps and Lochte. No need to be a sore loser because he didn’t set his bar high enough. You know what happens when you piss Phelps off…if he didn’t before, he’s going to find out when he gets to London.

don
4 years 2 months ago

You know, there is something to be said for keeping your mouth shut when you are part of the US Olympic TEAM, yes Tyler..TEAM. It’s not about you buddy.

dmswim
4 years 2 months ago

This is really sad to see. I understand Tyler’s frustration with working hard and not getting the results he wanted but at this point he needs to remember he is representing Team USA and not himself. Many swimmers (especially those from programs where intense training is emphasized) get caught up in the “I worked harder than you, so I should beat you” mindset. As training techniques have developed though I think more people are realizing it’s not about training hard but about training smart. Phelps may be able to recover better because he doesn’t pound his body every practice (not to say he doesn’t train hard) and everyone’s body needs a different type of training. Basically, life is not fair. Some swimmers need to train crazy hard to succeed while others need a different type of less intense training. It’s not an issue of character or deserving results. Let your swims in London make your statement Tyler and get over it.

Koko
4 years 2 months ago

I agree. And your statement about swimmers getting caught up in the “hardest worker” mindset could be applied to other sports as well. I remember hearing about gymnast Kerri Strug out-training her training partner Kim Zmeskal in practices all the time, yet it was Zmeskal who got the podium placings, who won all-around and individual event titles at national and world championships. Whereas Strug’s big career-defining moment came from landing her 2nd vault on one leg at the ’96 Olympics to clinch the team gold medal (although, it turns out, the U.S. girls were so far ahead of Russia it was already clinched anyway).

And I say that with no animosity towards Strug, it’s just that sometimes there are other components to success than training harder than someone else, and people are only now just starting to realize that.

jman
4 years 2 months ago

I’ll give Clary some slack as i did not see the comments on video. Having had my own words hatched in print…maybe he said it differently. Not sure. I wouldn’t doubt thought that he thinks Phelps is an ahole. Every little kid on Club Wolverine does. From breaking his hand at a strip club (not on a car door) to yelling at 13 year olds for touching his shoes (and crying to his coach about it) to leaving the club with a $6k debt to not wanting to swim anymore…what serious swimmer would want to emulate him? When Phelps beat Cavic in 2008 the comments from kids on CW was ‘great for USA but he is still a jerk.’ Most kids are pulling for Cavic and Wu Peng this time around.

Liliana
4 years 2 months ago

Also, he molested senior citizens and killed some puppies?

dmswim
4 years 2 months ago

Phelps may be a jerk and I admit he’s not the best role model but it was still unprofessional for Clary to make those comments. I had plenty of college teammates I didn’t like and who I thought didn’t deserve their success but I never spoke publicly about it because I wanted to protect my team. Clary should have at least that much respect for Team USA. Once you are on a team, it’s no longer about you and your personal beef.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

DMSWIM,

I agree. No matter what Clary thinks about Phelps, he should have kept them to himself (or privately) right now.

don
4 years 2 months ago

JMAN, you are totally missing the point. It is about TEAM, period.

jman
4 years 2 months ago

Not missing point at all. Just trying to understand why he might have said what he did. No matter Lilliana wants to think, those things happened and the rest of the TEAM at UM/CW had to deal with the prima donna. And i think some are bitter to this day. And i don’t blame them.

Sans Pallegrini
4 years 2 months ago

If you put yourself inside of Phelps head (or shoes), it’s easy enough to understand why he would or can be a dick. Anyone in their 20s’ are more likely to think that they’re the centre of the universe. And once you put “You’re winner” to anyone barely past their legal age (well, in Phelps case since he was like 13), you can’t expect anything else.

Even Clary, who probably thinking he’s doing the world a favour by exposing the truth about Phleps, is actually doing it out of self-interest or so it seems.

Anyone who’s been there knows that hard-work is only a small part of a successful swimmer. There’s family support, natural talent, coaching and myriad of other small significant contributors. Clary knows that and that’s probably what he’s trying to say except it came out all wrong,

Jean Michel
4 years 2 months ago

Nice from Clary to talk how he talked ! Now , he has to answer for it in the pool in London ! Be carefull Tyler ….

Des Cairns
4 years 2 months ago

Loved the kids doing fly in the background…

Mr. Neptune
4 years 2 months ago

While his comments may have come at the wrong place and wrong time they seem to be very true from what I’ve heard. I’ve heard rumors that during Phelps’ time at CW he was consistently out trained by guys like Vendt and PVK.

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Those are both distance guys, of course they had to train harder.

Koko
4 years 2 months ago

Is it just a rumor, though? Because I remember Bowman or Phelps himself (or both) saying that he would get beat in practice a lot while up at Michigan, or am I just imagining I heard/read those things now? Nevertheless, what Lisa said is valid, and I can’t imagine Vendt or Vanderkaay giving an interview full of quotes with the frustrated/jealous/bitter tone that came across to me in that article.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

Clary might be honest and was talking about that particular year in Michigan (when Phelps was slacking off), and Clary might be working harder than anyone else, but he really is not smarter than anyone else by saying all those things right now.

what was he thinking?

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Pretty sure Phelps didn’t go 8 for 8 by slacking off. He may not have to do as much yardage (though according to Bowman he was going 80,000m a week pre Beijing, and according to Vendt, he and Phelps were doing 7 days a week in 08) but he’s different then everyone else.

John
4 years 2 months ago

Somebody tell him that’s the way of the world. Some people get by on talent, some have to bust their butt. He should stop whining and bust his butt.

Liliana
4 years 2 months ago

“And the day that it happens, when I finally beat him, is going to be a huge deal in my mind, because it would be complete satisfaction. And the only thing that would be better than that is breaking the world record.”

If giving stupid interviews was an Olympic discipline, Clary would be Michael Phelps of it.

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

haha so true

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

I agree but yeah lol

john26
4 years 2 months ago

Honestly, I’m not sure I buy the viral infection thing. I don’t believe he was at his absolute best, but I feel that’s just an excuse for him losing the race. Really, I feel that he simply just underestimated Michael, and no doubt pissed off that he got beat.

The interview ends by saying
“There is, of course, one way Clary can prove his point convincingly, before the eyes of the world.But he’d better hurry up. After all, Phelps is hanging up his goggles after these Olympics”

…and I mean the only way that could be fulfilled is if Clary beats him in the 200fly. I’d love to see that. But clearly, the rumors about the Clary-Phelps animosity is very true.

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Jon Urbanchek, who coaches Clary and has been close to Phelps for years, said he was “very shocked” by the criticism of the swimmer he considers “the greatest ever on this planet.” Urbanchek, in Knoxville with the U.S. team, criticized Clary for his statements, although he said the swimmer told him “everything was taken out of context.”

“Let your swimming do the talking, that’s how Michael handles it,” said Urbanchek, the former coach at the University of Michigan, where both Clary and Phelps have trained in the past. “It wasn’t called for, and the timing — this should not be the news going into the Olympics.”

“I hope the two boys will sit down and talk about it. I know Michael is a little bit upset,” added Urbanchek, now based at the Fullerton (Calif.) Aquatics Sports Team.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/olympics-blog/bs-sp-phelps-clary-20120710,0,2202967.story

Clary’s own coach thinks he should shut up. Of course he’s been closer to Michael for years, treats him like a grandson but he does coach Clary.

jman
4 years 2 months ago

The out of context thing is possibly valid knowing reporters.

john26
4 years 2 months ago

I don’t know, but a lot of the quotes don’t seem like they could be taken out of context to me. ie.
“I saw a real lack of preparation (from) him,”
“Basically, he was a swimmer that didn’t want to be there,”
“The fact that he doesn’t have to work as hard to get that done, it’s a real shame,”
“Basically, he was a swimmer that didn’t want to be there,” Clary said of Phelps. “They can talk about all of these goals and plans and preparation they have. I saw it. I know. It’s different. And I saw somebody that has basically been asking to get beat for the longest time.”


The coaches may be trying hard protect the swimmer, and try to calm down the suspicion of public animosity between the two (Urbanchek is clearly doing this) before they become teammates in London, but unless there were major misquotes, there’s no other way around the fact that Clary was clearly deriding Phelps.

Reporters may have misquoted Magnussen or Cielo, but none have done so in the printed press. It’s much more serious when its done in print.

Additionally, if Urbanchek said Phelps is “a bit” unhappy, you can bet that he is actually FURIOUS.

The article mentions that Clary sees Phelps is unmotivated, and isn’t sure whether it is pre or post Beijing. But it’s fairly obvious and the event was before as this was the only period where they trained together. I’m sure that the Phelps camp is furiously attacking team Clary right now, and both sides are trying their best not to let the media know.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

John26, I agree with your analyses

Kirt
4 years 2 months ago

It does seem suspect that the video interview part of the article did not include any of this, only the written.

ZYNG43
4 years 2 months ago
4 years 2 months ago

Unafortunatelly,
some reporters will sell their soul just to make a big news.I can even put as example this year, some statements made in Brazil press claiming Magnussen told he will take Cielo down in 50 free(he never told that!), but a lot of media give that ideia.Another one told Cielo said he will take him(Magnussen down) in 100 free.Cielo never told that.

don
4 years 2 months ago

How do you know he is closer to Michael? He is close to a lot of swimmers.Jon Urbanchek treats everyone with respect and is close to all his swimmers,he is universally loved and respected and you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would accuse him of favoritism. He also calls it like he sees it and and is probably thinking ,”what the ….”

You know as someone that was complaining of a viral infection but could muster the strength for go- carting at trials or complained that his shoulder caused him to scratch events last winter but didn’t seem to bothered by it outside of the pool, he needs to tone down the rhetoric.Taken out of context..,haha. I bet

Phelps is not going to get sucked into this sandbox pissing match, he will take the high rode. I never was a huge Clary fan but pulled for him cause he was the underdog,
now I hope MP cleans his clock with his poor work ethic.

Chris
4 years 2 months ago

I don’t think the level of strength required for go-carting is comparable to that required for a 4:08…

My guess is that Clary is relatively new to lengthy interviews, and fresh after Phelps beating him in an event he wasn’t supposed to swim (from Clary’s POV), he was too blunt in an interview with his local hometown paper. Seeing as Phelps essentially took two years off serious training, and only really started training for the 400 im in the past year, Clary’s probably pissed that the past six years of focus on the 400 im seems wasted.

That being said, if Clary gets a lane next to Phelps in the 200 fly final, I bet the WR goes down.

Liliana
4 years 2 months ago

If Phelps was powerful enough to make FINA ban the suits, he’s powerful enough to throw Clary out of the team.Tarwater might earn another swim, this time in 200 fly, lol.

john26
4 years 2 months ago

It would be Bollier,
but, you know if this was Australia and it was Nick Darcy, he would’ve been off the team already and Phelps wouldn’t have to lift a finger.

Liliana
4 years 2 months ago

Not sure they can invite new swimmers once they announce the team.
Also, not sure what to think about D’Arcy and his situation but if Clary can say all this BS and get away with it, then I understand why Phelps wants to retire never to come back again.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

If this was Australia, you can bet Clary would have been slapped with sanctions (media ban, internet ban, sending off back home right after his last event)

Ole 99
4 years 2 months ago

Comparing Clary’s comments to anything D’arcy has done is crazy. Many would argue D’arcy shouldn’t have been on Australia’s team even before the gun photos with Monk.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

Not the 2008 D’arcy, but the 2012 D’arcy posting with guns in a gunshop

Ole 99
4 years 2 months ago

Okay, then the D’arcy that declared bankruptcy to get out of paying the damages he owed to the guy whose career he ended.

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

I am not defending Darcy at all, on the opposite actually, however, Darcy did not end Cowley’s career. Cowley had already retired.

beachmouse
4 years 2 months ago

Skimming through the selection criteria, the last day to add additional swimmers was supposed to be July 8, a day ahead of FINA’s July 9 deadline. However, they can petition about five different organizations to add swimmers between July 9 and July 24, with no guarantee everyone will sign off on the paperwork.

Also, being a jerk is not inherently a violation of the USA Swimming honor code. If it was, we’d probably have had a number of athletes bounced from international teams over the years.

Liliana
4 years 2 months ago

Hmm…you’re right, but it’s not just about being a jerk. He embarrassed himself, Phelps and USA swimming. Also, he created turmoil within USA training camp , 3 weeks before Olympics.

liquidassets
4 years 2 months ago

This is where good coaching and team captaining becomes crucial. Clary should have to meet with Phelps, the team captains, and coaches, and apologize to Phelps and then later to the rest of the team. Not as much for the content of what he said (although I do think it’s a complete waste of time to focus on, and whine about,somebody’s superior gifts. Life isn’t fair–deal with it), but more for the public nature of it, to the media, and above all, the timing. Most of what happens between now and the Olympics is a mental game and even if Phelps uses this attack as fuel, it can’t help the rest of the team to know that its top swimmer is under attack from another team member. While I’m sure the media may have taken parts of his attack out of context, the reality is that he shouldn’t be discussing anything near this topic with the media during this time. Clary has been on national teams long enough to know better, and I know that U.S. Swimming gives the national team members media training.

It’s too late for him to take it back, but now the coaches/captains need to aggressively nip this in the bud; time for damage control. Not so much the damage to public perception, but damage to team morale!!

aswimfan
4 years 2 months ago

Darcy + Monk + Clary = Dumb + Dumber + Dumbest?

Kirt
4 years 2 months ago

D’Arcy is by far the dumbest of the three. I’d say Monk second, Clary third.

beachmouse
4 years 2 months ago

Unlike the other two, Clary, hasn’t done something illegal or ended anyone’s athletic career.

Koko
4 years 2 months ago

Yeah, let’s not get completely carried away here.

Lisa
4 years 2 months ago

Reverse the order and that sounds about right lol

swimmer
4 years 2 months ago

While I think what Clary did was incredibly stupid and immature, but that does not mean he is wrong. For all we know he could be telling the truth or was speaking of a certain week when Phelps acted like this and the reporter exaggerated.. There are people who are just that much more talented then everyone else. We have all experienced that person whether it was in our own swimming careers or any other activity. So I believe it is entirely possible that Clary is telling the truth. Part of the problem is no one wants to say in life there is going to be people with huge talent and don’t have to work to get a great amount of success.

Koko
4 years 2 months ago

That’s the other thing (besides the timing), though. Unless he was actually talking about the buildup to London, particularly 2009 and 2010, then how does what he say about Phelps’ preparation for the buildup to Beijing make sense (especially given others’ testimony to the contrary)? Because he and Phelps were only together at Michigan for the 2007-2008 school year. Phelps wouldn’t have been able to do what he did in Beijing if he had slacked off the year PRIOR. He’d have dropped dead before he even got to the end of the program.

liquidassets
4 years 2 months ago

It could be that Phelps got beat in practice during the year(s) Clary observed, and/or didn’t come as close as he “should have” for making expected times on various sets. But according to her coach, Soni, for example, reportedly gets beat in practice very regularly by Hardy and others, but usually beats her in competition. It could be that she worked harder on technique, dryland training, mental game, sets that didn’t involve direct competition, etc. Just because someone gets beat or doesn’t swim as fast as expected sometimes in practice doesn’t mean they’re not training hard. In fact those training the hardest will be the most broken down and naturally WIILL get beaten in practice by those who don’t consistently do so.

john26
4 years 2 months ago

The issue, as stated in the article, is that phelps doesnt work as hard, that any individual so much as watches one practice in disguise will see the lack of commitment. This does not accuse him of swimming slowly, they ar two different things

LS
4 years 2 months ago

Many of Phelps’ other training partners have commented on how training with Phelps has made them better. So his comments are quite absurd to be honest. Maybe Clary didn’t use the opportunity give to him in the right way.

beachmouse
4 years 2 months ago

And granted we’re talking about current team member instead of retired swimmer, but Janet Evans said far, far nastier things about Katie Hoff’s bad Olympic meet in 2004.

ZYNG43
4 years 2 months ago

what were the comments evans made?

FreeStyler
4 years 2 months ago

Y’all are turning this into a gossip column. lets discuss swimming and not dwell on TMZ like stuff!!

LS
4 years 2 months ago

The video of Clary’s comments is out, and he can shove his out of context excuse down his throat cause he let it all out like verbal diarrhea…. smh

He moans about how Phelps wasn’t nice to him, didn’t like him….thinks Phelps’ saw him as a threat…Probably more like Phelps’ saw him as a rat and treated him as one.

Kirt
4 years 2 months ago

Where is the video?

ZYNG43
4 years 2 months ago
swimphile
4 years 2 months ago

Well Clary did apologise to Phelps on Twitter…whilst maintaining that his comments were “misunderstood”…

ZYNG43
4 years 2 months ago

listen to the audio. it is all there

LS
4 years 2 months ago

listen to the audio, there’s nothing misunderstood about what he said.

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