VIDEO: Michael Andrew Breaks National Age Group Record in 400 IM

From an earlier report:

Swimming a time trial on Saturday at the College Station, Texas sectional meet, Andrew broke the old record of 3:54.23 set by Curtis Ogren in 2010.

This follows the National Age Group Record that he swam in the 200 fly on Saturday.

He’s also swum a 1:40.38 in the 200 free and 47.79 in the 100 fly.

His splits:

  • Fly – 51.94
  • Back – 58.40
  • Breast – 1:06.32
  • Free – 55.42

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jon
7 years ago

anyone else notice something funny about that fly to back turn?!

Reply to  jon
7 years ago

UGh. Please post some video of your athletes for us to see how perfect their turns are.

I coach 55 kids- about 18 are 13-14… I’m not ashamed to admit that none of the 55 swim perfect races. They all make a handful of mistakes. You know… cut they are kids.

It would be easy for any coach (great or poor) to look at video and poke holes… heck, we could do it to about 3/4 of the National Team members, too…

How about instead of making weak arguments about all the ‘bad’ we just enjoy the access we have to video, training methods etc, and stop trying to look like we know more than they do.

Because… Read more »

Steve Nolan
Reply to  Hulk Swim
7 years ago

I pointed it out on an earlier video of his 2IM, I think, that it does look like he kind of rounds his open turns.

Doesn’t mean I’m trying to tear the kid down and attack him, if anything I could maybe hear a new explanation on why doing it that way is better for him, or a lot less likely, maybe it’s just something they didn’t notice.

Bashing the kid for nothing is obviously bad, but to me that just seems like a guy going “hey, that doesn’t look like what I’m used to?”

jon
7 years ago

that first breaststroke turn too?!

matthew
7 years ago

uhhhh – this kid!? this has to be more NAG’s then Phelps at 13-14, right? And he went to the olympics at 15!

is there going to be more analysis on this kid or what? I don’t know if ANYONE EVER held a 100 breast and 200 fly NAG. i would love more information on training and expert POV’s. I feel like people (not SwimSwam, of course) are gunshy about him b/c he’s already gone pro and has an unorthodox training method.

David Guthrie
Reply to  matthew
7 years ago

The answer is, no, there’s never been anyone like him. No one has ever dominated across such a wide spectrum, certainly not in his age group and above. Take into account how hyper competitive kids have gotten in the past few years (Nolan, Murphy, Conger, Seliskar, Dressel etc. and a growing list) and this kind of versatility is unprecedented.

Lunquist was in a league of his own in SCY breaststrokes. Not too fond of the LCM 200 breaststroke, but he held the American Record. Sub-20 in the 50 free when that was rare.

Tracy Caulkins could do everything.

Michael is able to break NAGs in every single event between 50-500. No one has ever done that before.

Admin
7 years ago

Matthew – M Andrew and his coach/father are very open about what they do, and what they do/how they train is well-documented.
http://swimswam.com/?s=USRPT

matthew
Reply to  Gold Medal Mel Stewart
7 years ago

yes, i’ve read all that. and i think it’s fascinating and really good for the sport. i’m more talking about in a short period of time Michael A has broken an astonishing amount of NAG’s in diverse events i can’t remember ever seeing (100 BR & 200 FLY!?!?). Even from The Phelps. I’m just surprised i haven’t heard more from USA Swimming and from other experts in the sport talking about it.

When Missy went on her first tear into the spotlight in 2009 she was instantly branded. Outside of SwimSwam…i don’t see a lot on Michael.

Rafael
Reply to  matthew
7 years ago

Well.. to astonish all the world he will probably have to repeat all that sucess on LCM agains the big boys.. Sure.. he has great LCM times.. but will he be able to be as Ledecky Missy Thorpe Phelps who at 15 years old were World or Olympic medalists?

Reply to  Rafael
7 years ago

Does he have to be?

Is Ryan Lochte any less awesome because he wasn’t an Olympian at 15?

That’s a ludicrous standard to have for him.

Rafael
Reply to  Hulk Swim
7 years ago

For him to have the recognition outside here?

He will have at some point to become a World Champion of Olympic Medalists.. Before that.. he will not be knows all over the world just because he got dozens of NAG records..

And.. Locthe is amazing.. But on swimming history, I don´t put him on Par with Phelps and Thorpe..

Reply to  matthew
7 years ago

I know. 100 br & 200 fly is impressive. I’m old, so Steve Lundquist comes to mind for the fly / breast combo. USAs had someone write about USRPT, but they were clearly on the fence, a bit old guard.

FYI: M Andrew has been featured in Sports Illustrated and AP did a feature that went global. M Andrew will be featured in again and again by mainstream media. We know there’s more to come, just can’t say where and when.

Slow improvement over the age of 15 is still positive. If M Andrew didn’t improve for two years and then started dropping time again (something that happens to a lot of swimmers), it’s not a big deal. M… Read more »

bobo gigi
Reply to  Gold Medal Mel Stewart
7 years ago

I’m sure that Michael Phelps in his best years (2007, 2008) and fully tapered would have been able to swim 1.01 low in the 100 breast.

David Berkoff
Reply to  Gold Medal Mel Stewart
7 years ago

Lundquist was a star.

52.4 100 breast
1:55 200 breast (first guy under 2:00)
1:45 200 IM
47 100 fly
43 100 free.

He was also pretty good at LCM.

54 100 fly
50. 100 free
2:02 200 IM
101.6 100 breast

And this was thirty years ago!

I remember him running over me at 1984 trials. I was 130 pounds. He was like 220–or at least it seemed that way.

D

Eagleswim
Reply to  Gold Medal Mel Stewart
7 years ago

In summer of 2016 he would be 17, correct? Given the way himself and swimswam are marketing him as the future of swimming and the poster child of this “new way” of training that will completely change the way people train for generations to come, I don’t think it’s unfair to expect an Olympic berth at that age. I mean after reading all these articles and comments anointing him as the next big thing, I think it would be fair to say I will be unimpressed by anything less than an Olympic spot. 17 year olds and younger have made it in the past, I think if we all want him to become the swimming god we seem to have… Read more »

David Guthrie
Reply to  Gold Medal Mel Stewart
7 years ago

Victor Davis went 1:58 in the SCM 200 fly. As tough as they come, he was.

Ben
7 years ago

These videos are nice… but can someone pass it along to the camera operator to not zoom in so much… and learn about video updloading. The entire thing is interlaced wrong. I’m assuming because there was slow motion that an iphone was being used? I know iphones have significantly higher quality than this… please invest in a tripod as well… I’m sure someone on swimswam would be willing to foot the bill for this

NDB
Reply to  Ben
7 years ago

You are being given unprecedented access to one of swimming’s rising stars and you are still complaining? Do you want a refund for the money you spent on visiting swimswam? How about a thank to the amateur camera person for taking the time to send the video in. Don’t Hate. Appreciate.

Ben
Reply to  NDB
7 years ago

The videos are certainly nice and I do appreciate seeing them. That being said the videos could be much better and it would be very VERY easy to make the videos better. Take a look at the recent videos posted of Jacob Molacek as a good example. I have a strong feeling there will be many more NAG records and there will be more videos of those records. I will be happy to watch any video they put up, but I will be much more happy to watch a video that is not zoomed in to the nth degree and shaking all over the place. It is not a complaint it is a suggestion. Also you may have noticed the… Read more »

Durham
7 years ago

Amazing to see his rapid improvement, record-setting efforts and STILL so many little technical things he can improve on.

ole 99
7 years ago

Peeps woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

bobo gigi
7 years ago

GREAT! Thanks swimswam!
Being a huge 400 IM fan, I wanted to watch that race! 🙂

He was in 3.58 last April. 3.52 this year.
It will be interesting to see if Mr Andrew will be able to translate that progression in long course in the next months. Because unlike the 100 fly, 100 breast or 200 IM, he hasn’t still swum a good 400 IM in long course so far. I believe his PR is around 4.35/4.40. At 14, Michael Phelps was in 3.56 in yards and in 4.24 in long course. At 14, Sean Grieshop was last year in 3.57 in yards and in 4.26 in long course.

bobo gigi
Reply to  bobo gigi
7 years ago

If he swims in Mesa in April, perhaps he will attack the 13/14 NAG record in LCM seriously.
While I don’t believe he can break it, I want to watch if he can translate his 3.52 into something good in long course. A 400 IM in long course is very different.

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