Toronto’s Top Swimmers Will Race at High Performance Time Trial This Weekend

High Performance Onario TPASC Time Trial

A previously-scheduled May High Performance Test Racing Event scheduled for the Toronto Pan American Sports Center this coming week was canceled, but a new event was added to the scheduled in its play.

On May 7-8, Canada’s newest primo facility will host a “High Performance Time Trial,” which is only for elite swimmers who meet certain standards.

The event is the same dates as the previously-scheduled time trial for swimmers from across the country, but both local health officials and the facility managers balked at the notion of athletes traveling in from across the country for the event.

The reimagined event, therefore, has a requirement that to be eligible, athletes invited must currently be training regularly at TPASC. Most of the top swimmers in the Greater Toronto Area train at least somewhat regularly at the facility, so athletes from a number of different clubs, besides just the High Performance Center – Ontario swimmers, will participate in the event.

Other performance-related criteria includes:

  • Must be identified as part of Swimming Canada 2020 OTP Identified Athlete Pool, or
  • Must have an official result since September 1, 2018 that is within 1.5% of the Olympic Qualifying Time (OQT/A)
  • For para swimmers: must have been a member of the 2019 WPS Canadian World Championship Team.

The meet will be formatted with a maximum of 4 swimmers per heat, and Para races will be swum in a multi-class format using the Canadian Paralympic Point system to determine rankings.

Entry events were determined by high performance staff.

The goal of the meet is to give swimmers additional racing opportunities ahead of the upcoming Olympic Trials, which last week were postponed, again, this time until June.

Many of the country’s biggest names and top Olympic contenders will be in attendance. Among the highlight events will be the women’s 200 freestyle, where Penny OleksiakTaylor Ruck, and Kayla Sanchez will all race head-to-head.

The women’s 100 free will include that group as well as Maggie MacNeil, the defending World Champion in the 100 fly who trains in the United States at the University of Michigan, but is apparently returning for this event. She’ll also race the 100 back and 100 fly.

Another World Champion, the 100 backstroke title holder, Kylie Masse, will race the 100 and 200 back. In the 100 back, she’ll swim against Ruck, Jade Hannah, Sanchez, and MacNeil.

The defending World Championships bronze medalist in the 200 IM Sydney Pickrem is also scheduled to be present.

Masse, MacNeil, Pickrem, Oleksiak, and Ruck are 5 of the 6 swimmers that Swimming Canada pre-selected to their Olympic Team – though the 2nd spot is still open in the women’s 100 free and 200 free. The other pre-selected swimmer, Markus Thormeyer, trains in British Columbia.

The meet has some big names, though it’s overall a very compact field with just 22 Olympic hopefuls and 2 Paralympic hopefuls in attendance. It’s still a crucial meet for a number of athletes with limited racing opportunities between now and June’s Olympic Trials. While most of Canada’s serious Olympic contenders from the region have found opportunities to compete, with a lot of those opportunities being abroad in either the International Swimming League or in the United States’ Pro Swim Series, tightened regulations in Canada because of a rise in COVID cases could make those opportunities increasingly-difficult to come by.

Swimmers in the western provinces, especially the concentration in British Columbia, will be wont for the same opportunities: Swimming Canada’s official results database shows that athletes like Markus Thormeyer and Emily Overholt haven’t raced an official meet in 2021 yet. Those results don’t include a few collegiate meets, for example, that didn’t wind up in the official database, but with the USports season wrapped in late February, even those opportunities have dried up.

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Fairness
5 months ago

Can’t have a test event but can have a time trial for the “privileged”. This will justify the paper Olympic team selection.

golgoths
Reply to  Braden Keith
5 months ago

We all know that this “time trial” is so that Swim Canada’s “elite” can try to get their Olympic qualifying times ( while everyone else sits at home waiting for the next cancellation) and only because Swim Canada can justify hand picking the team on paper. They can run a time trial with 22 elite , covid-privledged swimmers but cannot figure out how to run a swim meet with only 20 swimmers per event where each event has its own warm up, no spectators, and almost nobody at the pool other than those 20 swimmers swimming their event. Swim Canada is simply setting up their justification for hand picking the Olympic Team. Invoking a “clause” that allows them to do… Read more »

Last edited 5 months ago by golgoths
COVID
Reply to  golgoths
5 months ago

Stop complaining and hold your own damn time trial! If you truly believe what you’ve written then Swim Canada will need to consider any official times posted. You’re right some events currently don’t have anyone with a Fina A time so swim Canada can’t nominate a swimmer for those events so run your own official time trial and stop bitching.

Last edited 5 months ago by COVID
SwimMomof3
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Run your own time trial? Do you know anything about running a meet to get sanctioned times or officiating? So you would know that is impossible, right? Coaches who are training swimmers at the HPC can’t put touch pads in the pool right now. There are swimmers who are training right there next to the invited, but can’t attend. It’s ridiculous to let them train but not get times. Most of these kids have not had an updated time since very early 2020 but more likely summer of 2019 long course season. Do you know how much improvement has happened during that time?

Dou
Reply to  SwimMomof3
5 months ago

Exactly!This is so unfair to those who have been training there with the 20+privileged swimmers. If they can train, why they cannot race? Swim Canada/ Swim Ontario suddenly post this event on the website on May 1st after they announced the cancelling of the Test event! It seems no one was consulted and no one really knows how they decided the list.

whateverman
Reply to  Dou
5 months ago

Well… we KINDA know how they decided this list 🙂

whateverman
Reply to  SwimMomof3
5 months ago

Second best comment on this thread!

golgotha
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Run your own time trial…..HILARIOUS.

Haha
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Haha casuals

whateverman
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Worst comment on this thread haha

whateverman
Reply to  golgoths
5 months ago

Best comment on this thread!

golgotha
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

We all know that this “time trial” is so that Swim Canada’s “elite” can try to get their Olympic qualifying times ( while everyone else sits at home waiting for the next cancellation) and only because Swim Canada can justify hand picking the team on paper. They can run a time trial with 22 elite , covid-privledged swimmers but cannot figure out how to run a swim meet with only 20 swimmers per event where each event has its own warm up, no spectators, and almost nobody at the pool other than those 20 swimmers swimming their event. Swim Canada is simply setting up their justification for hand picking the Olympic Team. Invoking a “clause” that allows them to do… Read more »

Who Knows?
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

One would guess most HPC swimmers Oleksiak, Ruck, etc already have Fina A times, so this time trial seems more of an opportunity for the club swimmers invited to post official Olympic qualifying times. Are there any club swimmers in Ontario that meet the criteria not invited just because do not train at TPASC?

SwimFan
Reply to  Who Knows?
5 months ago

only A small percentage of the time trial elite swimmers have Fina A times.. others are 1.5% off the times. There are swimmers who in university in the US who have not been invited because they do not train regularly at TPSAC.

Canadian H2O
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

Oh ya? Who?

SwimFan
Reply to  Canadian H2O
5 months ago

Javier Acevedo

Who Knows?
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

Understand the swimmers attending must meet the criteria of at least within 1.5% Fina A, but figured many would have already as a several preselected to Olympic team. US based university swimmers would have to quarantine 2 weeks upon arrival so would it make sense to invite them last minute? Or are they already here?

whateverman
Reply to  Who Knows?
5 months ago

MacNeil?

COVID
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

This is untrue. Anyone in the NCAA knew about trials for months and could have made plans to enter Canada to compete. They have chosen not to. The only NCAA swimmer that was in the US who had any real shot of making the team has returned to Canada.

SwimFan
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

However would they have been able to train at the “ centre” with all the luxuries or at a community pool? Let’s be real..

COVID
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

If they were truly an Olympic possibility they could have trained at a centre. If they aren’t truly a real possibility to get on the team then why would they even come back?

Last edited 5 months ago by COVID
golgotha
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Not all Olympic qualifiers come from High Performance centers or train at High Performance centers…..All you need is a lane in a final at a trials to have a chance at any National team. Seen it lots.

whateverman
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Weird you’re getting a bunch of dislikes? SwimCan employees?

Pullbuoy
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

Many clubs training at TPASC during pandemic and those club swimmers who met the qualifying times are invited as they should be! Many Olympic sports training out of TPASC so the facility is understandably risk adverse right now to letting outsiders into building during a stay at home order, as an outbreak could close facility and collapse several sports 2 months out of Olympics. The swimming community should be grateful to TPASC for entertaining a time trial and hopefully if all goes well Trials too!

COVID
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

Where’s the common sense?! There are travel restrictions in the provinces and Ontario is in a lockdown, how in the hell Can swimmers outside of Toronto attend a time trial?
Also, the Provincial Health orders restriction the amount of people in a facility and TPASC have their own restrictions.
If there was a positive COVID test then training at TPASC would be shut down for weeks, they can’t take that risk.
I’m so sick of all these comments about ‘privileged swimmers’, most of them have not seen family for months and live pretty much in social isolation. Some of chosen not to attend college for 2 years now because of the pandemic to pursue their Olympic dreams.… Read more »

SwimFan
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Social isolation like everyone else in the province?? We are in a stay at home order and this should apply to everyone even athletes. Athletes shouldn’t be treated any differently.
People are dying and losing their businesses!
Athletes should wait in line for their turn for vaccines! Athletes should be grateful they are privileged enough to continue to do their sport .. many others are not living ! Let’s put things into perspective

COVID
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

The only reason they can train is because there is an exception for Olympic identified athletes in the Provincial Health orders. They do Obie’s by the stay at home orders like everyone else.
I don’t know how you can call yourself a SwimFan when you do not support the athletes.

Pullbuoy
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

It is doubtful there would even be a provincial HP exemption if it was not in an Olympic year, but Canada has decided to attend Olympics so across all sports so the focus has become selecting and preparing Canadian athletes for the games. This is so very hard on the vast majority who are out of water or not able to do their sports, but as you note we are still in the thick of a pandemic and people are dying so health and safety first.

golgotha
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Oh sorry I did not realize that they were the only athletes pursuing their dreams while dealing with isolation, COVID, being away from family, disappointment, postponement of school. My apologies …..it IS affecting them more than anyone else. What was I thinking…I thought everyone is negatively affected…. the COVID disruption in their training has been much harder on them than everyone else…At least we can be thankful that every swimmer outside HPC is not under Extreme Stress

Last edited 5 months ago by golgotha
whateverman
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

I dont know you, but I like you!

Beached Whale
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

I do wish Swim Canada would show the OTP list so at least there’s some level of transparency

Who Knows?
5 months ago

Does anyone know if event will be live streamed? Will be great to finally see some of Canada’s top swimmers race. Hope they can replicate this opportunity across the country.

golgotha
Reply to  Who Knows?
5 months ago

They do not want to duplicate the process as God forbid some unknown swimmer, who has been working there butt off in much more challenging conditions than the ideal conditions at the high performance center, may beat one of the “elites”. That would make the hand picking the Olympic Team too difficult. How could Swim Canada show that their High Performance Centers are valuable if someone was to swim faster than one of “theirs” with way way less opportunities. If the Olympic team consists of all HPC athletes doesn’t that justify their existence? Hand pick them on the team and sit back and tell everyone how great the HPCs are working. Pat yourselves on the back.

Last edited 5 months ago by golgotha
Njones
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Well… They are ‘elite’… As in 5 of the 6 pre selected athletes who are medal contenders. There are no doubt other awesome and improving high end swimmers who will trying to make the team. However the medal contenders need to be given some opportunity to compete with all the other international medal contending swimmers.
I do agree though that running a distanced, spaced out, low number trials meet does seem to be made out to be more complicated than it should be.

Prettykitten
Reply to  Njones
5 months ago

Everyone going to the meet have raced against each other a lot during this pandemic. The only reason this one is official is so that in the case June trials doesn’t happen these swimmers will be justified to be picked for the team. The reason lots of people seem upset about this is because swim canada already put 6 people on the team before trials. Although all 6 of the athletes would probably have made the team and they all deserve a spot on it the way they were selected is normally saved for people who swim bad at trials. So anyone who is not going to this meet will have to find a way to swim a time trial… Read more »

golgotha
Reply to  Njones
5 months ago

All we know is that they WERE Canada’s elite and medal contenders 2 years ago. Who is Canada’s elite this year. We will never know I guess they will not have the opportunity to compete. A lot can change in two years. How long can someone ride elite status until they have to prove it. In the US, the elite swimmers of two years ago are not the all same elite swimmers today.

Pullbuoy
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Hope you can still support these Canadian athletes as you seem very bitter but they did not make the criteria. Most of us have really missed swimming here in Canada so excited to see what these top swimmers will do at their first “meet” in over a year and as you say “prove it”. MacNeil, Masse, Oleksiak, etc. should be very exciting and hope live streamed! Trials has not been cancelled just postponed with a set date so not sure why so many negative assumptions? At the time of the pandemic these were the top swimmers and we are still in the thick of a pandemic. Several other Canadian sport governing bodies continue to honour those who qualified for the… Read more »

Njones
Reply to  Pullbuoy
5 months ago

👍👍

Njones
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Penny 20
Taylor 20
Maggie 20, fastest 100yard fly ever a month ago
Sydney 23 or so, Canadian records in ISL this past fall
Kylie 24 or so

These girls produced Canadas best overall swimming results the past 3 to 5 yrs in decades. And the oldest is 24 ish. Under these unprecedented conditions, if they don’t deserve a pre-qualified status based on their proven track record then no one does.

Yes the unfortunate thing is that no doubt someone rising fast will possibly run out of time or opportunity. That is a very unfortunate by-product. There is the occasional teenage phenom coming out of nowhere but it’s not the norm. We just got lightning in… Read more »

Des
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Let’s be real. How many swimmers make it on a national team that don’t train in a center or the ncaa. Definitely a possibility to make the team, but unlikely to medal at the Olympics. The elite swimmers from two years ago in the US are still elite now. They just have a much deeper field that prevents swimmers from staying on top.

TBD
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

Well said!!

Haha
Reply to  golgotha
5 months ago

True! Couldnt say it better

Eagle eye
5 months ago

The articles mentioned “health officials and facility managers” allowed only limited numbers of participants in this HPC meet. So in fairness, to swim Canada/swim Ontario their hands are tied. In as much I’m sure they want all swimmers have a pre competition before the Olympic trials in June( hopeful it will materialize) for the sake of all Canadian Olympic hopefuls.

These elite swimmers we all know how competitive they are, being tagged as privileged and possible olymipians on paper only because of possibility the trials won’t happened because of the pandemic, to me is not fair. In the first place they worked very hard to where are they now.

Njones
Reply to  Eagle eye
5 months ago

👍👍

TBD
Reply to  Eagle eye
5 months ago

Some of them are indeed “privileged” .

Matterson
5 months ago

It’s tough to read all these comments that people think Swim Canada dropped the ball on all of this. Are people outside of Canada aware that most of the country is under heavy restrictions, including major travel regulations? Provincial borders are closed through much of the country. What do all you folks expect Swim Canada to do here? Their hands are tied, plain and simple.

I’m a fan of swimming just everyone else. Bottom line is there is much more going on then the sport. Scolding the governing body, and to a lesser degree the athletes themselves doesn’t make any sense. Just my 2 cents

Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
Reply to  Matterson
5 months ago

This is a tough situation as we are in the middle of a pandemic. While Swim Canada is focussed on their current Olympic team, they have made no focus on their up and coming teams, risking a huge drop off. Never once have they apologized to the swimmers who have had event after even cancelled.

For those that feel that the selected athletes are entitled or privileged, they have not shown any compassion to those up and coming swimmers. On zoom calls they have expressed their frustration of being unable to bring therapists and the likes to the test events. They continuously post pictures of themselves on social media unmasked and not socially distanced. A bit of a slap in… Read more »

swimapologist
Reply to  Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
5 months ago

What, exactly, would they be apologizing for?

whateverman
Reply to  swimapologist
5 months ago

he kind of said it? cancelling and postponing a million times instead of doing the smart thing… postponing to June right off the bat back in December.

Eagle eye
Reply to  Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
5 months ago

Looking at the ages of HPC Ontario swimmers, as young as 13-14 aren’t these the future of swimmers? And nosing on what they do on social media and judging them doesn’t seems right. Sorry to tell you.

Eagle eye
Reply to  Eagle eye
5 months ago

future of swimming rather:(

AllSwimFan
Reply to  Eagle eye
5 months ago

How many 13 yo do we see in HPC Ontario? Zero. How many 14yo? Just one. Not a single 15 yo either

Post to post
Reply to  AllSwimFan
5 months ago

Actually 2 14 yr olds…

SwimFan
Reply to  Post to post
5 months ago

Only one 14 yr… Summer

whateverman
Reply to  Eagle eye
5 months ago

Governing body instagrams buddy

Pullbuoy
Reply to  Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
5 months ago

These are Canada’s top swimmers and they have earned there spot at the time trial. Their “normal” on what happens on deck before they are expected to go lights out and post top worldclass podium times is much different than the “normal” of a young break through up and comer or a swimmer just entering the international scene. The reality is special attention for athletes who have worked themselves to the top of the world happens all the across all elite sports. Why does this make you so angry? Who and what do they need to apologize for?

COVID
Reply to  Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
5 months ago

Apologize for what?! Ask all the Canadians that are not following health orders or are refusing to get vaccinated for an apology.
You have no clue what these athletes have been through this past year and are still going through.

Fairness
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

You have no clue what many other Canadians are facing on a daily basis. Loss of businesses, death of family members, depression etc.

whateverman
Reply to  Future of swimming in 🇨🇦...
5 months ago

truth!

SwimMomof3
5 months ago

Swim Canada should be allowing all of the HPCs, and all of the swimmers who train there, to compete at a Time Trial event on the same day. Why are some at TPASC allowed this privilege, but not the others? If you are currently training at a HPC, you are not “adding to the numbers”, you are there anyway. Currently, only top 20 swimmers invited to trials are allowed to train at TPASC. Space out the events and it is no different than what is happening there daily. The HPCs and their coaches in Vancouver, and Montreal should be outraged for their swimmers!

no future
Reply to  SwimMomof3
5 months ago

Swim Canada has not fought for opportunities for their top swimmers to be getting times this year. Why could time trials not even be run within club training groups? They’ve only been concerned about those Olympic bound. So many swimmers who could potentially go the NCAA route haven’t had an opportunity to swim since March 2020. Why would a school even want to commit with no idea of progress. Our men’s program that was lacking before will be struggling that much more now. You won’t see many schools picking up anymore Canadian 2003’s or 2004’s.

Swimmomof3
Reply to  no future
5 months ago

This is the truth. Daily, there are teen boys who are 16+ training at TPASC that might not qualify this year, but are well on their way to qualifying in 2024 if given the opportunity. Unfortunately, the opportunity is not being given.

COVID
Reply to  Swimmomof3
5 months ago

Exactly, qualify for 2024 not 2021! Let’s sort out 2021 team first.

COVID
Reply to  no future
5 months ago

Swim Canada are no different than any other sporting organization, they must obey the Provincial Health orders! They have fought but they up against the health authorities and the Provincial orders. Your comments are uneducated.
Also you should be holding your club and Provincial swimming authority accountable.

Covid killer
Reply to  SwimMomof3
5 months ago

🤣 the coaches in Vancouver and Montreal are so outraged they didn’t get to hop on a plane and travel to the epicenter of covid in Canada

Swimmomof3
Reply to  Covid killer
5 months ago

Reading comprehension issues? Nowhere did I say they should hop on a plane and come to Ontario, which by the way isn’t the Covid capital of Canada, that would be Alberta. I suggested that they should be able to hold their own time trials on the same day. Brent Hayden, Markus Thormeyer and others deserve the same treatment.

whateverman
Reply to  Swimmomof3
5 months ago

yup!

swim101
5 months ago

I am just wondering why nobody has done the math. Look at the psych sheets. It has the FINA A times listed. Then look at the entries. There are many swimmers swimming events where they are NOT, some not even remotely, within the 1.5% margin. Why are they allowed to swim these events? To me, it is excusable that swimmers can swim events in which they are close (within 1.5%). But swimming events in which swimmers are officially over 1.5% is bending the rules and exclusive.

TBD
Reply to  swim101
5 months ago

Exactly. This is why those swimmers are ” privileged ” for some reason!!

Post to post
Reply to  swim101
5 months ago

It is because they are at the Centre they get to be invited to this event…total double standard.
Same speed kids from clubs aren’t invited…PRIVILEGED- This is purposeful so people see that if you join the centre, you get special privilege…and more kids at the Centre=Government $$$$!!!!!

COVID
Reply to  Post to post
5 months ago

Stop whining and run your own time trial! In Toronto the only swimmers that can train right now as per the Provincial Health orders are those who have been identified as Olympic hopefuls. It’s got nothing to do with the Center! There are swimmers you are racing at this event that train with clubs but they are Olympic hopefuls and they already train at Tpasc. Read the requirements listed in the article.

SwimFan
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Due to stay at home orders and provincial restrictions time trials are not allowed.

Pullbuoy
Reply to  Post to post
5 months ago

Several club swimmers were invited to the time trial that meet the criteria (1.5% Fina A or OTP). But you state there are other “same speed” club swimmers not invited? If this is the case that is upsetting but who are they?

SwimMomof3
Reply to  Pullbuoy
5 months ago

There are same speed swimmers who are training at TPASC right now who aren’t invited! Top 20 in the Country, swimming at trials (should they happen) but NOT INVITED to the time trial. They are teens who have improved greatly, even after their qualifying times, but no opportunity to race.

Last edited 5 months ago by SwimMomof3
whateverman
Reply to  swim101
5 months ago

#SwimCan

AllSwimFan
5 months ago

There is probably something wrong with my math skills but please tell me how 2:02.30 is just 1.5% away from Fina A’ 1:57.28. Or how 50.99 is 1.5% away from Fina A 48.57? If Swim Ontario/Swim Canada made exceptions for those and few more athletes why wouldn’t they make the same exceptions for other athletes as well? Why there is only 1500 for girls, but not 800 or 1500 for boys?!

Pullbuoy
Reply to  AllSwimFan
5 months ago

I was wondering the same on a few events and your math is correct, but the criteria states in article must be within 1.5% Fina A or identified as part of the OTP pool. Hope that helps. If there are no men in the 800/1500 it means no men in Ontario meet these criteria.

TBD
Reply to  Pullbuoy
5 months ago

“identified as part of the OTP pool” is obviously customized to justify to invite those who are “privileged”.

swim101
Reply to  AllSwimFan
5 months ago

I had the same comment, but it is not being approved for some reason:

I am just wondering why nobody has done the math. Look at the psych sheets. It has the FINA A times listed. Then look at the entries. There are many swimmers swimming events where they are NOT, some not even remotely, within the 1.5% margin. Why are they allowed to swim these events? To me, it is excusable that swimmers can swim events in which they are close (within 1.5%). But swimming events in which swimmers are officially over 1.5% is bending the rules and exclusive.

golgotha
Reply to  swim101
5 months ago

Special rules for special people. Rules can be made to fit an agenda. Swim Canada – Lets set it up to benefit who we want it to benefit………while Swimming in Canada at the grass root is dying

COVID
Reply to  swim101
5 months ago

Because they already train at Tpasc. The Tpasc management do not want outsiders coming into the facility. Also some of those times are old and those swimmers have been training their tails off to get the FINA time.

SwimFan
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Privileged

COVID
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

They are canada’s Top swimmers and world ranked. They are also recognized by Sport Canada as carded athletes because of their rankings.
They are not privileged, they have absolutely earned the right to train, and have an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics.
Stop with the jealousy because your kid hasn’t achieved this level.

Fairness
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

My comment stands PRIVILEGED..

whateverman
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

yup! (That Covid guy maybe works there?)

Swimmer
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

These are certainly not all the swimmers swimming at tpasc at the moment. Only the ones in the 1.5% margin. Meaning that if your apart of hpc and do not meet 1.5% criteria it’s okay because you are privileged enough to swim at this test event above other people who are also training at tpasc but don’t meet the 1.5%

Fairness
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

Privilege “a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group”

COVID
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

The comment above applies to you too!

whateverman
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

You obviously didn’t read comments right? Many kids swimming at the center daily aren’t invited at the time trial!!!!

Prettykitten
Reply to  AllSwimFan
5 months ago

Its the fina A in the athletes best event. I assume once they have the time they can swim whatever they want.

Pullbuoy
Reply to  Prettykitten
5 months ago

This may be the case or article states can also be invited if an athlete has been identified as part of the OTP pool.

swim101
Reply to  Prettykitten
5 months ago

That is what I mean by bending the rules. First of all, I would assume that to be on the OTP 2020 list you should have been within (a close margin of) the FINA A cut and have represented Canada in former teams already. This list, as far as I know, has not been published, but I doubt age group swimmers would make this list based on the times swam in 2018-2020. Secondly, as this is a so-called exception, keep it an exception and have the swimmers swim the events in which they qualified based on the 1.5% margin. Having swimmers pick and choose based on arbitrariness (up to 4.5% off the FINA A cut) makes it especially hard on… Read more »

Post to post
Reply to  AllSwimFan
5 months ago

Because the centre doesn’t have any boys distance…but they have Summer McIntosh who went 16:34 last year – PRIVILEGE

swimagain
Reply to  Post to post
5 months ago

I am not sure why Summer Mcintosh swimming a 16:34, and 13 years old, makes you call her Privileged. It means she is talented and works hard. The swimmers that are training are not in control of how the government places restrictions. Stop being so negative, and realize these athletes are able to train, and do so everyday in hopes of representing Canada. The clubs and coaches of swimmers not in the water need to stand up for their swimmers.the burden of being an elite athlete is hard enough without all the rude comments. In the US, elite athletes were at the OTC in Colorado training, and there was not this type of outrage. It is sad that no one… Read more »

Fairness
Reply to  swimagain
5 months ago

She is privileged because she is one of the few athletes allowed to continue to train during a pandemic. No one is saying she isn’t a talented 14 yr old. Definitely talented but she and others are able to continue training with no interruption unlike the hundreds of other talented athletes who have not been given the same opportunity.

COVID
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

They have earned this right! The hundreds of others are not swimming Fina A times or Olympic hopefuls for 2021.

Fairness
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago

You don’t really know that because they haven’t had an opportunity to show their talent unlike the elite/privileged ones who are training uninterrupted. In addition, hopefully these time trial athletes will be swimming FINA times.. At this pt, we can only go on Fina A times achieved quite some time ago for most of them. Earning the right, and having the opportunity to earn the right are 2 different things

COVID
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

I’m certain your swimmer has ben doing unofficial time trials or has had racing opportunities in training. I can guarantee you that if your kid did a Fina A time during one of those races that swim Canada would be all over it! They want to send a great team to Tokyo, they want medals! Particularly if you have a male swimmer, there are a number of male events where we do not have anyone qualified.
There is a difference between what you hope will happen at a Trials and the reality of what your swimmer is currently achieving.
Penny or Maggie did not all of a sudden go Fina A or world leading times, they were showing… Read more »

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mills
Reply to  COVID
5 months ago
Golgotha
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

Earn the right. Just like every other swimmer in history has …by competing against all qualifiers in a Trials and proving that they can get a Fina A time AND come top two in the country in a full event. Just because you get a FINA A time 2 years ago doesn’t mean you can do it at a trials and come top two. This is not a slight against the HPC athletes it’s a comment on how Swim Canada can’t figure it out and has left many many swimmers hanging without a chance to prove they can do it

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Pullbuoy
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

The original “fair” time trial was cancelled 2 days out as Ontario went into a stay at home order and not all stakeholders comfortable with continuing. We still are in a stay at home order so the scope of the event needed to be narrowed. TPASC wanted fewer participants that already trained at facility. The multiple other Olympic and Paralympic sports that train at facility also want to be protected against potential outbreak/closure 2mths out of Olympics. So given these restraints all those that feel unfair what criteria would you have used to hold this event?

Last edited 5 months ago by Pullbuoy
whateverman
Reply to  Pullbuoy
5 months ago

Plan it better ahead of time, bubbles… multiple SMALL time trials in every province.. multiple weekeds (by stroke? = less people), there is literally a million ways. If you don’t ask coaches / managers for ideas, suggestions, etc you obviously choose the easy way out. Nothing was done, asked, consulted etc (I know)

Golgotha
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

Exactly.Talented and Privileged. While the Talented and Unprivileged are getting left behind. A fair system for a few.

NJones
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

There are 100s of other talented swimmers, but there are only a dozen or so that are finals, let alone medal contenders. No matter where the line is drawn it’s ‘unfair’ to whomever is on the wrong side. Our women’s team is on the cusp of being our best ever with multiple medal contenders (pre-selected) plus a strong spring cast who will challenge for finals and provide relay depth. Support them… Period.

Covid killer
Reply to  Fairness
5 months ago

Training exemptions aren’t based on talent, they are based on results. Wherever these hundreds of athletes you are talking about had the same opportunity as Summer pre covid to compete and post results.

whateverman
Reply to  Covid killer
5 months ago

hum…how? when? weird comment

Observer
5 months ago

I can understand some people disappointment. You can curse Swim Canada all you want. But please spare the elite swimmers on your negative comments.

They done nothing wrong to you. Just getting ready for the call of the country in case no trials will happened.

SwimFan
Reply to  Observer
5 months ago

agreed but the “call of the country “ should be fair and not cater to a select few. The process is not transparent and swimmers should be selected fairly and without biases

Last edited 5 months ago by SwimFan
Pullbuoy
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

The criteria is clearly stated with objective measures. So who do you think was selected with bias?

swimagain
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

It is fair, if you have the times, and according to government and provincial guidelines, you are allowed to get there and race, you can race. If not, you can not. Times are times, you either have them, or have been training at the TPASC, or not. If you have one qualifying time, you can swim other events. This is not abnormal, nor unfair. It is like bonus cuts at other meets.

Observer
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

Worry not, I have a feeling trials will push through , i said just in case get real!

TBD
Reply to  SwimFan
5 months ago

The time trial thing is so unfair to many other elite swimmers who also want to answer the call of the country.

Observer
Reply to  TBD
5 months ago

It’s just too bad because of the circumstances. Limited participants only. Better to accomplish something than nothing. Pulling the legs of the so called privileged few just to get even for the left out, what we get?

Covid killer
Reply to  TBD
5 months ago

Isn’t that what Olympic trials is for?

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