“Oh YE, of little faith…”

  62 Chris Morgan | July 30th, 2012 | Featured, International, London 2012 Olympics, News

“Oh YE, of little faith” is a biblical term which was often directed as disapproval towards the Disciples of Christ when they had any doubts about his divinity. How ironic is this ancient phrase as we now find ourselves in doubt of YE of China!

Are the Chinese swimmers, coaches and fans of Chinese swimming accusing the US youngsters of “doping” as they break into the world scene…? There is a certain Katie Ledecky, who in 2010 was swimming a mediocre 8:58.86 for the 800m freestyle, while the “accused” Ye Shiwen was winning the Asian Games in the 400 Individual Medley with a very strong 4:33.79! This of course just before heading off to win 2 silver medals at the World Championships (albeit, short course meters) in Dubai in December 2010. Ledecky went from 8:58.86 in 2010 to 8:19.78 at the 2012 trials…that’s a 39 second drop!!! Ye already swam a 4:33 in 2010 to a 4:28 in London, a 5 second drop in 2 years, seems reasonable. Furthermore, do you think the top breaststroke swimmers and coaches of a 1.3 billion person country like China have ever even heard of Scott Weltz?

Before we go totally off the charts with accusations and pointing fingers–maybe just some numbers and facts…this way all the people who just like to see their own comments posted on social media and/or on our wonderful website, will have more information to make a “POINT or COUNTERPOINT” (lol, eat your hearts out Gary and David).

Ye Shiwen was born in Hangzhou, Zhejiang, the 6th largest city of China. With a population of 8.7 million people (slightly larger than New York), she was detected very early as a promising swimmer. She started young–at 6 years of age, like so many young American, British, Australian, Russian, Canadian and Japanese swimmers. Now the difference. China is a communist country where many things are different and we just simply can’t understand. Have there been wrongdoings in the past…probably. We will never fully understand what it means to be an 8 year old “super-talent” in China, leave your family (or even forced away), train all day, everyday, and not expect to build some kind of small swimming machine! This is not a “needle in the haystack,” it is more a case of a “crochet hook in a small bail of hay.” Is it not reasonable to assume that with the numbers of people and swimmers and coaches and money in China…that this IS POSSIBLE!!

Then we have to address Ye and her training. She has been known to spend considerable amounts of time between China and Australia, training with the same coaches Down Under who have worked with other Chinese success stories. Chinese swimmers have even made their way west…to Dave Salo and Mike Bottom. Is it not possible that the Chinese swimmers actually talk to each other and exchange ideas about technique and training philosophies? Do you not think that once on a Chinese National camp, Wu Peng told Yang Sun, “Hey Sun, we did this really tough but awesome Mike Bottom workout…you should try it!” Have the western coaching personalities created their own monster…their own PHELPENSTEIN??

Do any of you remember Chris Martin of Florida Swimming fame? He was a very successful coach who moved his talents to the UK and Scotland for many years. Most recently he is running a program in Shanghai, China. Is there a relationship to some American-UK knowledge shared with the Chinese? Maybe we should know even more facts before all the accusations.

And now for that last 50 of Ye Shiwen–you know the one she out split Ryan Lochte. Any athlete out there has either read about, or even experienced “The Zone.” Is this the explanation for her super fast last 50? I don’t know. It is not the first time she has had an amazing freestyle leg on her Individual Medley, she performed the same magic last year at Worlds splitting 29.42 in the 200 to become World Champion (she also split 29.88 on the final 50 of her 400 IM to finish 5th). Even though the comparison Lochte vs. Ye is completely absurd, if they had turned together at the 350, for sure Ryan would win, and for sure he would swim 27 something, and for sure Mr. Phelps would have lost the untouchable 4:o3 World Record!

Chris Morgan is a swimming coach in search of the next pool, the next set, and the most creative workouts. Follow him on Twitter @swim4chris

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Kenneth
3 years 9 months ago

Kudos.

3 years 9 months ago

Great post, Chris!!!

Chris
3 years 9 months ago

I think the fact that we’re even comparing Ye’s closing freestyle with the fastest closing male IMers in the world at the biggest meet of their lives is odd. I would certainly be suspicious if Ledecky closed her 800 in a 56, or Soni finished a 200 breast in 33/34, a 200 fly female swimmer ending sub 30, Franklin’s 200 back ending in 28/9, or Muffat/Schmitt finishing in 26/27 for the 200/400. If Weltz goes 2:06 in the 200 breast with a 31 low final 50, then I’ll be the first to suggest they store his samples for a few decades. Also, none of the swimmers above is affiliated with a country that had a state-sponsored performance enhancement program that was never fully cleaned up like East Germany.

Brian
3 years 9 months ago

There’s a difference between dropping large amounts of time and swimming lifetime bests, men drop time, women drop time. There’s no question about it, the amazing can happen.

But when a woman’s split beats the split of arguably the best male athlete in the world in that event?

Just. Doesn’t. Happen.

There’s a huge difference between there being a “Dark Horse” in an event like Weltz was (As so aptly termed by the book Gold in the Water), and being a woman who outsplits the top male athlete at the biggest meet of their lives.

It’s not her time that is suspect. I would expect someone to be breaking that record. My eye is on that closing split.

Not to mention the fact that the US goes to almost every international event, is subject to International testing, USA Swimming testing, etc.

China goes back into obscurity after the games. And where the hell are their male swimmers? THAT is what bothers me. Does their female training program not translate towards the men? It was the same with the East Germans, and it is that similarity that bothers me.

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

Men IM400 Final, last 100m:
1st LOCHTE Ryan 29.55 29.10
3rd HAGINO Kosuke 29.68 28.52
6th HORIHATA Yuya 29.71 27.87

Ye Shiwen 29.75 28.93
We can see Asian swimmers were better in the last 100m/50m because they have better endurance.
Perhaps Lochte is “the best male athlete in the world in that event”, but lost to two Japanese in the last 100/50, and lost twice to AGNEL,,, he’s just NOT THAT GOOD

Brian
3 years 8 months ago

Like I said, there’s a difference between being outsplit by other males in the event then being outsplit by a female.

I know I’ll sound sexist or something, but it’s the truth.

Jiggsar
3 years 8 months ago

Chill out with all this split talk already. Consider Ye had a 23-second rest in compared to the men before her last 100. There’s no doubt she could finish with the big boys after being 23 seconds behind them after the first 300.

drdov
3 years 9 months ago

I hope all this drug talk will not cause Ye and her coaches to purposely swim slower in the final free leg to deflect any more accusations
I want her to go flat out, but i doubt she will now as she doesn’t want to arouse any further suspicion

3 years 8 months ago

She did lead wire-to-wire in the 200m IM she swam the other day, so maybe?

aswimfan
3 years 8 months ago

Drdov,

That’s my concern as well.

I hope Ye Shiwen is so angry now and go fast to break Kukors’ WR, as unlikely as it is

Jg
3 years 8 months ago

“Oh They Of Little Faith in the Communist Party” are not just chided – they are & have been executed.

Meanwhile I am off to look at the finally post pubescant fat face of the 20 year old He (yeah sure )& friends from 2008 who amazingly appeared out of nowhere just in time for home triumph.

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

Stephanie rice went from 4.41 in melbourne 2007 to a 4.29 in beijing… A 12sec drop!!! Even the lazer suit couldnt account for such a big drop!

Jg
3 years 8 months ago

I suggest you ask her on Twitter. She usually replies to tweets. #Itstephrice .

Chris DeSantis
3 years 8 months ago

Damn Chris, you beat me to the punch. Drives me crazy that any spectacular performance gets belittled by John Leonard and Craig Lord. They do their best to insinuate that they think she was doping when the only pieces of evidence they have are “amazing performance” and “Chinese”. Leonard has been quoting saying something to the effect of “Well, you can’t say its doping” and then comparing her to the East germans and Michele Smith. Ledecky is a good counterexample but they are all over our swimming too.

3 years 8 months ago

Morgan & Desantis – the two Chris-esss I respect above all others – I was in the doping camp 99.9999% on Ye. I’m reconsidering it now…. Side note: Wanted to speak out, but Olympians calling into question a medal performance is plain wrong, a betrayal of the tribe. Glad I didn’t. HOWEVER, I’m still split. Well done Morgan, and thx Desantis for weighing in. I wanted to hear your thoughts on this.

DCD3
3 years 8 months ago

Must be the “turtle soup”! That was the excuse given after the performance of the chinese women in the early 90s. I don’t know if Ye has cheated, but I feel the chinese have EARNED skepticism over great female swims because of the sins of Lin Li and the rest of those 92-94 women. Those medals will never retroactively go to Summer Sanders and the others that should have had them, but this lingering skepticism is the payback. THAT is the legacy of the chinese women’s swim team.

Lane Four
3 years 8 months ago

Right on!

Chris DeSantis
3 years 8 months ago

Thanks Mel. I think Chris and I have common ground on this having experience outside the US. I remember when Phelps was coming up and one of my Danish friends said “he’s obviously doping!”. I was furious.

Jg
3 years 8 months ago

Cheer up guys . We are not about to execute her .

However if she admits it any western country would offer her political assylum.

That is the difference . I bet this blog is banned in China. 🙂

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

Just shocked by your ignorance:(
What a shame for John Leonard, he just turn swimming into a bitter quarrel.And he also insulted WADA, since WADA just annouced that Ye Shiwen passes WADA tests!!

Jcoach
3 years 8 months ago

“Have there been wrongdoings in the past…probably.”

Probably? Probably? Zero credibility with lines like that. Probably?

Jcoach
3 years 8 months ago

Probably – as in Maybe not?

“any spectacular performance” Make sure to use hyperbole and exaggeration at all times when being critical of those you disagree with. Sun 3:40 – That’s a spectacular performance. Lochte’s Im – pretty spectacular. The girl came home in 58.6!

And to not be honest enough to understand that being part of a historically dirty Chinese team adds to the doubts cast is pc gone nuts. If a US Track woman came home in the 400 with the same 100 as the male winner – she cheated. If any bicyclist wins anything – they probably cheated. (allow the sarcasm)

That 16 yr old kid a few months ago did not go out and buy EPO on her own. Im sure the kid didn’t even know she was cheating. More likely – someone of some authority was on that.

Those darn John Leonard and Craig Lord. First, they thought the suits were fast. Now they think a Chinese swimmer who did the impossible may not be on the up and up. Too bad they just don’t have the years of experience in this sport internationally as some 20-something coach/bloggers. Must be racist or something.

You made me side with John Leonard on something? Damn you.

3 years 8 months ago

Sure, Ye’s total time hasn’t come down as much as someone like Katie Ledecky – but a final 100m like she swam here isn’t something that’s happened before. She hinted at that ability with the end of her 200m IM at World’s last year, but this far surpassed that. And I mean, anyone know what Ye was going prior to 2010? I bet she has some Ledecky-like drops somewhere. (Not that I think Ledecky’s progression is anything too out of the norm.)

The stuff about Chinese athletes training abroad isn’t as compelling a point as I first thought. As you said – Chinese swimmers definitely train away from their home country at points and can really learn a lot from that….but any insinuations that this somehow clears them of doping suspicions is a bit off. It’s not like they never train in China – just cycle ’em on something before they leave or when they get back, shit wouldn’t be impossible. But it is just baseless speculation on my part – same type of thing you’ve got to do on either side of this issue.

And then you close the article saying that Lochte would’ve thrown down a 27s last 50m if someone was close to him…maybe? That’s not the issue though, no one’s arguing that she’s a faster swimmer than Lochte – the issue’s that she closed just as well as any of the other men in that final, who were, ya know, actually turning at that last wall right near people.

ATX
3 years 8 months ago

I’m confused, was this supposed to be a legitimate research article that was bound for the New York Times or some other high profile paper? This is a swimming website. Who cares if he’s re-hashing information from Wikipedia. All he’s doing is presenting information in an easily digestible and convenient form for swimming fans who have probably never done any research into the subject.

If you’re looking for a scholarly article on the Ye and her hometown that really sheds some light on her and has an original thesis/ analysis then maybe you should travel to China and spend some time with her yourself.

junker23
3 years 8 months ago

Oh God no, definitely don’t expect anyone to do that type of in-depth research about Chinese culture – it’d be enough material for multiple PhD dissertations. (Though it would be pretty interesting – I’d definitely read it.) But Chris literally said he was going to be bringing “maybe just some numbers and facts” into this argument, separating him from all “the people who just like to see their own comments posted on social media and/or on our wonderful website that are dealing in baseless speculation. He then started talking about things that “We will never fully understand…” in literally the next paragraph. Kinda mixed messages there.

And the stuff I wrote (and which was subsequently edited out) about that leading quote and the Wikipedia summary of her hometown was a bit of a low blow on my part – but both hint at a similar lack of thoughtfulness that he himself supposedly has above us commenters! But I’m not gonna lie, I might not have been so petty had this author not written that repugnant Mao article. This one’s not nearly as bad in terms of tone, but is similarly lacking in polish. I’m gonna call out poor writing when I see it, I don’t think that’s out of bounds or anything.

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

Ye has passed WADA drug test clean!!

Then WHAT?
You blame WADA for they didn’t match your suspicions??

aswimfan
3 years 8 months ago

Exactly!

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

Oh, then everyone can accuse Phelps, perhaps Missy Franklin for doping, since America is so biotech advanced and Marion Jones reminds me that America also has a GREAT history of doping, haha…

aswimfan
3 years 8 months ago

I actually agreed with your point.

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

Then, you’ll miss so many great moment in swimming matches, while others are enjoying it. So regrettable,,,

junker23
3 years 8 months ago

Anyone that accused Ye of doping should be pretty suspicious of Franklin, too.

I’m not saying either one is doing anything illegal, but if you’re going to question one you should question both of them. (Well, and all of them, really. I basically just assume everyone’s on something.)

Brian
3 years 8 months ago

Why? Franklin was fast, but she’s not outsplitting Grevers or Thoman or anything like that.

junker23
3 years 8 months ago

I mean, they don’t both have equally likely cases, but what Missy did with such a quick turnaround seems pretty suspect, too. Missy’s always had that ability to maintain her speed in the last 10m of races, but doing so better than an entire well-rested field when she just swam less than fifteen minutes before…it’s almost just as out there.

I’m just as shocked by Ye’s final split as everyone else, but both girls were showing some shocking speed-endurance.

Missy coming back as fast as Grevers is basically impossible, right? No woman has ever gone that fast before in even just a 50. (I assume…I haven’t looked it up but I mean, probably.) Plenty of women can swim 58.xx for 100m free. None of ’em have ever done it at the end of a 400 IM, obviously, but that’s just how I’d reconcile Ye’s closing speed.

(And I’m not going to lie, I’m basically playing devil’s advocate here.)

Brian
3 years 9 months ago

Missy’s is a little bit of a different story. When I was that age, I’m trying to remember what event I had first, but I had the 2 fly 15-20 minutes later and dropped 4 seconds for a juniors cut.

Needed more warmdown/recovery as the years went on though. Not excessive amounts, but probably double that time to flush out lactic acid.

I think it’s just the raw power/endurance that bugs me. To best Ryan Lochte on his closing splits? I will be pretty skeptical about that.

And yeah. Missy beating Grevers split would be impossible. Such it would be for any female Olympian, even at the top of their sport, which is why it bothers me. She had a faster closing 100 than alot of the women in the 200!

beachmouse
3 years 8 months ago

Remember that Marion Jones passed every single drug test she took as well.

Look at the really big name drug busts over the years, and it’s very rarely WADA involved. Instead you see the American IRS (BALCO, Australian Customs (Chinese HGH case in 1998) or Spanish police officers (Operation Puerto).

And if anyone’s interested in track & field, venture over to Let’s Run, and see the assumptions fly about whether Carmelita Jeter is clean because her development curve doesn’t really match what you see in a clean athlete, and watch an indie website challenge Nike about their association with one of the worst known dopers in that sort.

David Berkoff
3 years 8 months ago

I’m guessing Landlubbers is Underwater using a new on-line post name.

I still believe the best way to get rid of doping for good is have each federation post a ten million dollar bond and have all coaches and swimmers sign an agreement in order to swim at the Olympics that if they fail a drug test at the games (with post games testig) the federation forfeits the bond and the swimmers and coaches are banned for ever. Then the bond is forfeited as damages to the swimmers who lost out on being champions because of cheating.

I’ve been around swimming for a long time and the explanations of “superior” Asian training and a billion people to choose from don’t cut it. This swim is totally off the charts statistically and very few swims like this have ever turned out legit. I’m very suspicious.

Neptune2029
3 years 8 months ago

Incredible swim. Maybe she is clean and maybe not, unfortunately her countries history puts everything she does in doubt. That is the reality of the situation and she and any other Chinese swimmer who puts up an incredible time with deal with the finger pointing. Can’t blame anyone for questioning the performance and can’t help but feel sorry for her if indeed she is clean. If anything people need to blame the previous Chinese system.

DR. EVIL
3 years 8 months ago

First of all…it is common knowledge that the Australian training model is a “race paced…stroke technique” model, not ultra high volume based. To even suggest that a Chris Martin training model (for those of us who REALLY know him) has had some kind of influence on the Chinese performances, is more of a stretch than Ye Shiwen’s last 100 split in the 400 IM.

To allow a post like this on SwimSwam is very disappointing. You are much better than this!!

Jiggsar
3 years 8 months ago

I’d like to try the “Felpibuster” workout. (it’s just 8 1600 IMs, with dryland runs to Subway after each)

Nigel Tufnel
3 years 8 months ago

I do not want John Leonard as the voice of American Swimming.

Landlubbers
3 years 8 months ago

As You can see,many newpapers and websites referred John Leonard as a U.S. COACH. And many people will recognize him as a coach of U.S. Olympic Swim Team, even the spokeman of US swimming.
Congratulations!

Nigel Tufnel
3 years 8 months ago

Ughhh.

Billy
3 years 8 months ago

All this doping talk takes all the fun out of watching a great meet. I have no idea if the Chinese are doping their swimmers and I certainly hope not. But, there is always the possibility.

Olympic track and field is on the horizon and of course there will be more doping talk. It’s very disheartening and at this point, I’m looking forward to football season.

Ya know, we Americans don’t exactly have a snow white past when is comes to using PEDs either. In reality, it’s awfully darn dirty.

Mike Ross
3 years 8 months ago

For all of those critics of we skeptics… There are many documented cases of doping amongst swimmers. In many of those cases there were skeptics before a drug test proved the swimmer had cheated.

What type of evidence do you feel is necessary to be suspicious of a swimmer?

Coreycc
3 years 8 months ago

Well, Michelle Smith was good, and then exploded at world champs then Olympics. Tested positive after the fact. Chinese women in the 90’s came out of nowhere, won everything, and then tested positive after the fact. Too young to know much about the East Germans. I choose to believe she is clean and hope is proven so, clear test today but new drugs are always ahead of testing. The difference to me is when the Chinese were winning in the 90’s they had each event won by the 25M mark. This seems to be more about great closing speed. I view that as more race strategy. Plus, it takes a great finish to win and break records. Rebecca Adlington had a great finish with the crowd cheering her on. Missy Franklin came from behind on the second 50 in the 100BK just 13min’s after her 200FR. Is she on something or did she train with the knowledge she would have to be able to do it? I understand because of the history of Chinese swimming people being suspect but let’s give the 16 year old the benefit of the doubt and allow her to enjoy this great moment before coming down this hard on her. I had a 16 year old this weekend go over 5 seconds faster in the 400FR relay than in his 100FR individual race, in the same session. Emotion and drive have so much to do with it.

DutchWomen
3 years 8 months ago

Ha!!! I don’t know if she is doping or not, but for the love of…..why are we comparing her to Lochte’s final split? We certainly know by now he can’t come home very well! Someone had to say it!

Sam I Am
3 years 8 months ago

Martin, LeClos, Pereira all had slower 100 free splits and Phelps was only .3 faster and he’s almost a foot taller….science is a wonderful thing.

David Berkoff
3 years 8 months ago

Country 2011-2012 2005-2010 2000-2005 1990-2000
USA 0 2 5 (including 3 refusals) 3
Brazil 9 10 3 UNKNOWN
China 3 11 2 29

Here’s the swimmer doping data I got off of FINA’s website and some other sources. These do not include positives for ephedrine (slap on wrist) and cannabis (hardly a performance enhancer). In the 1990’s China made up nearly half of the positives. More recently, Brazil takes the top spot for dopers.

David Berkoff
3 years 8 months ago

Cardinal, you are being an idiot. There’s absolutely no basis for that comment. I can tell you that most of my national team mates were so paranoid about what they’d put in their bodies that most drank bottled water before it was in fashion.

Charles Morton Esq.
3 years 8 months ago

David,

Your education suggests you are capable of reasoning much better than this. You have decided that because China accounts for the majority of doping offenses in swimming history, we must be suspicious of all outstanding Chinese results? This is akin to saying that we should suspect all muslims of being terrorists because the majority of major terrorist attacks have been conducted by muslims.

Brian
3 years 8 months ago

If the “Esq.” is truly your title, you should realize the faulty premise in your logic.

STOP HATNG
3 years 8 months ago

Since the French guy beat Ryan L. twice, he must be jacked up on some undetectable substance too… Please…

Having suspicions is one thing (I mean who doesn’t), but when you go on the news and cry foul without proof. That is completely wrong. And it makes you look completely like a sore @$$ loser.

What happened to being innocent until proved guilty.

Just let her enjoy her winnings.

If she is doping, sooner or later she’ll be caught and her medals & reputation will be stripped anyways.

So no need to talk like your own personal accusations are proven facts.

Brian
3 years 8 months ago

There’s a difference between fast swims in a gender (i.e. a fast swim by the French that beat Ryan Lochte, which was just a great swim), then a woman outsplitting a man in the highest echelons of our sport.

True enough, innocent until proven guilty. There will always be suspicion. After all, even the East Germans denied doping.

3 years 8 months ago

Thank you for being the voice of reason. Great article and the correct perspective. I am currently coaching in China and the amount of talent that is present in this country is massive. The resources that they have put towards developing their cities has also been turned towards sports. While some of their methods are far from cutting edge, they are progressing along with the rest of the world. The U.S. is not the same today as it was in 1994 when China was caught doping, but China is not even remotely close today to being the same place it was in 1994. Progress is being made and with it the success of Ye and Sun among many, many others.

Josh
3 years 8 months ago

Chris Martin of Florida Swimming fame? More like infamy! He all but destroyed the team with his mind games. Mitch Ivey had already fractured the team, but Martin broke it. Go look at the trail of swimmers he drove to transfer: Janie Wagstaff, Lea Loveless, Ashley Tappin, Claudia Franco, and the list goes on. An environment in a communist nation where swimmers are instruments of the state with little personal freedoms and have to do as they’re told is perfect for his egomania.

Mike Ross
3 years 8 months ago

Matt, I am sure there has been significant progress, but the problem is not gone. If you think so, please explain Li Zhesi who tested positive for EPO, http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-06/10/c_131642593.htm. I have no doubt that she too was talented.

Before you say, “yeah, well, there WAS a positive test…”, recognize that passing drug tests does not mean that an athlete is clean, only that they are “clean” at the moment of testing. Nathan Jendrick, makes this excellent point here: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/World/3148.asp?q=%20Mind:27s%20Wrong%20to%20Accuse,%20Fine%20to%20be%20Skeptical;%20Exclusive%20Victor%20Conte%20Comments

Even WADA admits that “that 40% of recent positives have resulted from intelligence, rather than simple test-tube discovery”, as can be read here: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/25/sports/la-sp-oly-dwyre-wada-20120726

I imagine (or rather hope) that some of this intelligence comes from looking at anomalous performances.

Jim L.
3 years 8 months ago

China is CERTAINLY not done with doping in their swim competitions. Ye’s teammate was caught as recently as 4 months ago doping with EPO. Doping in Ye’s case is a VERY REAL possibility would only be overlooked by the niave.

Jim L.
3 years 8 months ago

China is CERTAINLY not done with doping in their swim competitions. Ye’s teammate was caught as recently as 4 months ago doping with EPO. Doping in Ye’s case is a VERY REAL possibility that would only be overlooked by the naive. OH, BTW, for all you ‘she’s already tested clean! types’, you have to test right after the race you won for the test to actually have meaning. She could have taken something the morning of the race!

Brian
3 years 8 months ago

Isn’t EPO tested for? Pardon the ignorance, but I thought that was pretty easily detected these days.

Mike Ross
3 years 9 months ago

Yes, but it only is detectable for 19 hours after IV use according to the infamous Victor Conte. He says its still easy to use and not get caught:
http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1126198

Victor also points out that EPO is not only useful for endurance athletes. EPO helps sprinters as well which explains why 50 swimmer Li Zhesi would have been using it (that answers that mystery for me).

Kenneth
3 years 8 months ago

Why are we saying that Chinese swimming brought suspicion on itself because of the ’90s?

Speaking as a Chinese, anything coming out of the Chinese government is to be suspected.

End of story.

carlo
3 years 8 months ago

li zheshi was caught by the chinese anti doping agency and kenneth you,re not chinese

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