Stanford Hires Scott Armstrong as Men’s Assistant

  85 Braden Keith | July 17th, 2012 | College, Featured, News

After a long wait, the Stanford Cardinal have announced the hiring of their men’s assistant coach in the form of Scott Armstrong, sources who asked to remain anonymous have told us. The decision was announced to the team on Tuesday afternoon. Armstrong has previously held many roles within the North Baltimore Aquatic Club program, best known as the homes of superstars Michael Phelps, Allison Schmitt, and their coach Bob Bowman.

Armstrong’s is not a name immediately recognizable to many casual swim fans, but he’s well-known within the core of the community. He has served on several Junior National coaching staffs, including as the women’s head coach of the 2010 Junior Pan Pac team. Working heavily with high-school swimmers, he was the coach of record for Junior National Team swimmers like Drew Cosgarea, who will be a sophomore next year at Stanford, and Bryan Offutt who will be a junior next season for the Cardinal.

Much of his work of late has been developing distance swimmers, but prior to joining the staff at NBAC, he was the sprint coach for his alma mater John’s Hopkins. Armstrong himself was a star distance swimmer at John’s Hopkins from 1999-2003, and at one point held the Division III NCAA Record in the 1650 free.

Armstrong will take over the spot vacated when Ted Knapp was promoted to the head coach of the men’s team after the retirement of long-time head coach Skip Kenney.

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Chest Rockwell
4 years 1 month ago

You guys have good sources, this wasn’t supposed to go out until tomorrow!

This is an excellent hire for the Stanford Men. He spent 10 years at NBAC and worked closely with both Murray and Bob – I would imagine he learned a few things there. Don’t forget, Scott also helped develop Chase Kalisz and Austin Surhoff, so he has a great track record in developing high level IM’ers besides distance freestylers. He brings great perspective and maturity beyond his years to the deck. Congrats to the Cardinal and Scott.

PAINTRAIN
4 years 1 month ago

Great hire by Stanford. To me, Armstrong may be the best NBAC coach because of his versatility- he’s had success with a lot of different athletes. This marks the conclusion of a significant revitalization of Stanford’s coaching staff- it looks like things are looking very positive for the Cardinal. With the Stanford talent pool, and this admittedly very good coaching staff, I hope we’ll see some surprises at NCAAs from Stanny.

THEFEASTISMINE
4 years 1 month ago

Stanford has never had trouble picking up top recruits. I would assume that will still be the case. Picking up an assistant coach known for developing fast swimmers could take some of the top high schoolers to new heights.

Steve
4 years 1 month ago

Pretty awesome. I’ve gotten to know Scott over the past couple of years and could not be more happy for him. I think Stanford will be a fantastic fit for him and am excited to see what he can and Ted can do over the next couple of years. Scott’s personality, in my opinion, seems to be a perfect compliment to Ted’s. Here’s to a new Stanford!

Jcoach
4 years 1 month ago

I wonder if – with Scott’s influence – Stanford Swimming puts more emphasis on the long course/national/international swimming scene.

Dinosaur
4 years 1 month ago

That’s a very real possibility, I would reckon. Along those same lines, I wonder whether there’s been any discussion of a more serious post-grad program at Stanford

bigdog07
4 years 1 month ago

I think it would be hard for the Cardinal to form a legitimate post graduate team. Despite having some of the best facilities in the country, the cost of living is high, there never has been a strong contingency of post graduates to train with Stanford, and the coaches are relatively unproven. The international success was a while ago and most post graduates go with the new and best thing. This was not meant to be a knock on Ted Knapp or Scott Armstrong.

PALYPIE
4 years 1 month ago

Maybe give it a few years. The cost of living issue will still be there, but if Ted and Scott prove themselves and become the new best thing, you could definitely form a core group of Stanford grads who like the coaching and are used to the cost of living. Stanford had 15-20 alums at Trials. That group could form a nucleus for growing a program beyond just alumni.

bigdog07
4 years 1 month ago

The cost of living is a huge problem to have. Palo Alto and the surrounding areas (minus East Palo Alto) are some of the most expensive places to live in the country and it is not like you are dealing with a sport that gets paid well; we’re talking about swimming here with post graduates scrounging to barely get by.

You may be right about Ted and Scott. They could very easily become the next big thing in swimming and only time will tell. Personally, I’d put my money on the other side of the Bay with Cal. Despite a slightly down Olympic Trials, they still have a large contingency at the Olympics and they have won the past two NCAAs.

Which Stanford alumni were at US Trials?
-Eugene Godsoe
-John Criste
-Alexander Coville
-Randall Bal
-Bernard Johnson
-Egan Gans
Of those post graduates, three seemingly live in the area and two choose to represent PASA while Alexander Coville swam for Stanford

Stanfordfacts
4 years 1 month ago

Which Stanford alumni were at US Trials?
-Eugene Godsoe
-John Criste
-Alexander Coville
-Randall Bal
-Bernard Johnson
-Egan Gans

Also:
-Nate Cass
-Andy Grant
-Bobby Bollier
-Chad La Tourette
-Hongze Sun
-David Mosko
-Curtis Lovelace
-Austin Staab
-Sabir Muhammud (not sure if he was there)
-Jake Allen

*yes I do consider those seniors that graduated that year as post-grads since technically they had graduated and stayed at Stanford to train for the summer.

and don’t forget the Dunford brothers that have been training there and a couple others I am sure.

question?
4 years 1 month ago

Did Chad La Tourette or Austin Staab actually graduate? I remember watching a video on Chad La Tourette saying that he went home for the quarter after NCAAs to train at Mission Viejo.

The other seniors on your list, did they really have a choice to leave and go home for the summer? I did research and Stanford’s commencement was June 17th. Trials started on June 25th. Take into account travel plans and being at the meet a day or two in advance, would it be worth it for them to leave and go home to train for all of four or five days?

Waterballer
4 years 1 month ago

I think Chad La Tourette has one more quarter to complete before graduating in the fall, since he chose to train at home for what would have been his last quarter at Stanford.

letmegetthisstraight
4 years 1 month ago

So no, Chad is technically not a post grad, but he has completed his eligibility.

Tea
4 years 1 month ago

Also, Stanford grads have a Stanford degree. Many of them have multiple grad school or job offers. It’s tough to get them to put those opportunities on hold for a few years, unless they are really strong Olympic candidates.

BlackSwan
4 years 1 month ago

Maybe so, but in that case- who do you want on your post-grad team? Really strong Olympic candidates… or a bunch of random postgrads who have National cuts? The majority of post-grad programs have a couple elite athletes, and a bunch of people who are trying to get there but never really do. If you keep the grain and lose the chaff, no big deal…

Chad is graduating in the fall. I don’t know about Staab- last spring would have been his senior year, so perhaps. Alumni who were not affected by final exams/commencement:

Criste
Godsoe
Coville
Bal
Johnson
Gans
Cass
Grant
Sun
Mosko
Staab
Allen
Brede Kelsrud
Kyle Ransom
Josh Charnin-Aker
Elaine Breeden
There may be more women’s team alumni.

Not at US Trials, but post-graduates who trained for their Trials or the Olympics:

David Dunford
Jason Dunford
Philip Morrison
Paul Kornfeld

There are probably more that I am missing.

So yes, there are plenty of people who probably would train post-graduate at Stanford and do keep training that have the choice to stay or not (at least 20, not including recent graduates). As for now, a lot of these people did not stay. In a different situation, many of them might. They might take jobs and train, like Dave Dunford. They might get their PhD and train, like BJ Johnson. But they still train and would likely be a part of a post-graduate group if the appropriate opportunity in Palo Alto arose.

sidenote
4 years 1 month ago

You seem to know a lot about the swimmers that are at Stanford. You know that Bernard Johnson is going for a PhD and that Dave Dunford has a job and trains on the side, but you don’t know if Austin Staab graduated or not? That is slightly ridiculous.

You forgot to add in Markus Rogan and Tobias Oriwol to you list. A

You are proving that Stanford has post graduate swimmers that swim at the Olympic Trials, not that they are Olympic candidates. Of the post graduates that you listed, how many were Olympic candidates? Eight (John Criste/Alex Coville/Eugene Godsoe/Bernard Johnson/Jason Dunford/David Dunford/Markus Rogan/Tobias Oriwol)?

Of the post graduate list that live in the Bay Area, which ones would have trained with Ted? Of those that would have trained with Ted, how many made the choice to train elsewhere?

Allanjurovich
4 years 1 month ago

He graduated from Stanford though.

blackswan
4 years 1 month ago

Well, Mr. Sidenote, I’m not omniscient. I happen to swim masters in the area and be a fan of Stanford swimming- I’ve met a few of the guys and know what they are doing. I do not know all lot them.

As far as your other comments, my OP was confusing. I had 2 separate points. A) if Stanford just had 5-7 real Olympic candidates such as those you listed in a post-grad group, it would still be a strong group. B) Stanford has a LOT of post-grads who still swim who could form a large post-grad group if they chose to stay in Palo Alto.

blackswan
4 years 1 month ago

As far as who would have stayed, I haven’t a clue. Probably the more relevant question is who on the team over the next 4 years will want to keep swimming and will be a legitimate Olympic candidate, and can they attract old alumni back or other swimmers to Palo Alto. And an even more relevant question that makes this all huge speculation is whether the coaches or the team even want a post-grad group.

sidenote
4 years 1 month ago

By looking at their roster, they had 33 swimmers this past year and assuming they have a similar class coming in, they are looking to have around 33-35 swimmers.

That is a lot of work to be handling microcycles, macrocycles, dryland, and everything else for several completely different groups. Take for example the aforementioned group of 8 swimmers. They represent 4 nationalities. Depending on the year, they might have completely different meets that they would focus on (America-Pan Pacificss Kenya-African Championship/Pan Pacifics Austria-European Championships Canada-Pan Pacifics) with the qualification meets at different times of the year. Couple that with the full season planning that is necessary for a successful college season and the two coaches would have their hands full. That is not to say that Ted and Scott can’t do it, but it sure would be hard.

Time will be the true test as to whether or not the coaches will take on post grads. Everything seems to be changing up now. Some of the hot bed schools for post grad training are being disbanded and some are now making swimmers sign contract to ensure they stay through the Olympiad. It is quite possible that a school not known for post grads like Stanford would all of a sudden take on a contingency.

Scarface
4 years 1 month ago

I think that the main issue for Stanford having a post-grad group is just what Tea mentioned: most of these guys are going to graduate in four years and get a job. Any post grad team has to start with the alumni, as it is fairly unlikely that a large group of random swimmers are going to want to come and join in with a college team full of guys they don’t know. When you have a choice between a solid salary or scraping by for three years on the off hand chance you make the team, the choice is pretty easy.

THE DUDE
4 years 1 month ago

A great pickup for Stanford swimming. Armstrong has experienced coaching success on both the club and collegiate level, and I expect this to continue at Stanford. It’ll be interesting to see what he and Ted can do with some dynamite IMers in Thompson, Nolan, Cosgerea, Lane, and more. Best of luck to Scott!

SOCALSwim38
4 years 1 month ago

Looks to be a great hire. This change could bring Stanford back to the dominance we have seen in the past. Scott can now take over the distance crew and it looks like Ted will continue with coaching the sprinters. Good Luck to Stanford.

McNugget
4 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions yet. Scott has proved his versatility as a coach, and who knows whether or not Ted’s been given the chance to develop non-sprinters. I’m predicting big changes in the structure of the Stanford program, most likely for the better

IronCaptain
4 years 1 month ago

Scott will be a very positive addition to Stanford Swimming. He’ll breathe new life into the program. I’m seeing a bright future for the Cardinal! Cal fans beware

really?
4 years 1 month ago

Stanford can go ahead and win the dual meet and PAC-12s. Cal will win NCAAs. Again. For the third time.

alanjerkowitz
4 years 1 month ago

i understand what you’re saying, but you’re wrong.

CigarLover
4 years 1 month ago

Stanford’s never had a problem bringing in talent, and this coaching change should only help with recruiting. I don’t know Scott, but I’ve heard he’s a great guy with lots of energy

DibsDibsDibs
4 years 1 month ago

I’ll be sad to see Scott leave NBAC. But good luck to him at Stanford!

Jcoach
4 years 1 month ago

Pretty sure he’s been gone for a year.

Lenny
4 years 1 month ago

It looks as if Stanford has poised itself to do great things. I would imagine that the combination of Ted and Scott should bring a new found attitude and success for the Cardinal that will be evident on an individual and team basis. It will certainly be a new chapter in the storied history of Stanford Men’s swimming and based on the ingredients and resources it could be pretty darn special.

THE DUDE
4 years 1 month ago

The guy in the photo sure is handsome.

ADunne
4 years 1 month ago

he would look better with a mustache

happybirthday
4 years 1 month ago

Happy birthday Alex Dunne.

i
4 years 1 month ago

I’m guessing that he wanted to be clean-shaven because he was trying to swim fast at his swimming competition. Men even shave their whole bodies!

BigChocolate
4 years 1 month ago

I don’t know much about Scott Armstrong, but if he was selected over who knows how many other applicants he must have some great contributions to give to the cardinal. Hard to predict what will happen next but seems like Stanford has a bright future. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

joeb
4 years 1 month ago

he is?

Darksided
4 years 1 month ago

Defintely a good move on Stanford’s part. Interested to see what happens

Nick
4 years 1 month ago

Great to hear the news! Anyone knew who else was interviewed?

Mace
4 years 1 month ago

This is an excellent choice for Stanford. Certainly an outsider but sure to give the program a breath of fresh air. Great choice!

LETSFACEIT
4 years 1 month ago

This could be the shot in the arm(strong) that Stanford needed. With Ted as head coach and a brand new assistant coach, there is a strong possibility that Stanford has a shot at winning next year. With so much talent on the team, Cal should be worried.

rollonyoubears
4 years 1 month ago

A distance/IM coach probably won’t help Stanford get better. They are already good at the 400IM/500/1650. If Stanford were smart, they would take the Auburn approach and completely scratch the distance program and focus on the sprints. There are 3 distance events.

Darksided
4 years 1 month ago

That’s actually a good idea. Everyone should take the auburn approach.

joeb
4 years 1 month ago

Stanford is already better than Auburn…why take that approach?

observation
4 years 1 month ago

Auburn of old. Cal of today. Dave Durden is the carry over.

Psychic
4 years 1 month ago

If Stanford people were smart, they would follow Auburn.

TRUTHIS
4 years 1 month ago

If Stanford students were smarter, they definitely would have gone to Auburn.

ChickenBroth
4 years 1 month ago

Well, since Ted is the head coach now, presumably they will take that approach more. And more so, I think you shouldn’t really scratch any events, as the ultimate goal of competition is to win all of the events. Moreover, since Stanford has to make do with who they can recruit based on intelligence, and they get a fair number of 400IMers, 500 freestylers, and milers, it would be kind of stupid as well as mean to just let those guys rot and not help them improve and score.

Swimmer 2
4 years 1 month ago

Wasn’t Armstrong a sprint coach at Johns Hopkins (a pretty good D3 swimming school) before going to NBAC? He’s got some sprint coaching background. That, and the Stanford guys might actually have a beneficial dryland program this year.

SoCalMamba
4 years 1 month ago

This hire has already invigorated the social media world. It was made public before Stanford could announce it, it sparked several comments on this board and it resulted in several tweets from big names in the swimming world. If the rest of the swimming world is already talking about this move with this significant amount of excitement, I can only imagine how fired up the guys in Palo Alto are/will be when they get back to campus. That said, the biggest change will be the environmental change in the locker room. Ted can handle sprinters, especially with full control of the program(he was on the 08 Olympic team with Wildman-Tobriner). I’m assuming this guy is smart, although Johns Hopkins isn’t Auburn, so he should be able to adapt to each swimmer’s needs. He has the former colleagues and contacts to draw upon for help. He can help Stanford recruit on the east coast, if they needed any help. Finally, based on the Bear comments on this board, he’s got a lot of the Boys in Berkeley paying attention. Nicely done, Stanford.

ADunne
4 years 1 month ago

So exciting, I should blog about this on my blog!

Swimfan
4 years 1 month ago

Scott will be able to tap into the pipeline of NBAC swimmers for sure. Maybe after this Olympics, Michael Phelps can come to Stanford to be volunteer assistant coach! 🙂

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