Mark Schubert Details Rules & Guidelines As Mission Viejo Returns To Practice

The Mission Viejo Nadadores, under the watch of head coach Mark Schubert, made a return to practice on Friday after a month and a half out of the water due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Schubert and the club were given the go-ahead to practice by the city of Mission Viejo and USA Swimming as long as they adhere to strict social distancing guidelines.

USA Swimming says that they “do not prohibit practice at this time, but if teams conduct practice, they must follow all local, state, and federal public health guidelines.”

Schubert, who has coached at seven Olympic Games and returned to coach at Mission Viejo in 2016 (after serving from 1972-1985), provided SwimSwam with all of the rules and guidelines the Nadadores are following in their return to practice at the Marguerite Aquatics Complex.

Mission Viejo’s return comes in conjunction with USA Swimming releasing a set of guidelines for reopening facilities.

MISSION VIEJO RULES AND GUIDELINES

  • Swimmers arrive 15 minutes early for practice (2:45 pm or 4:45 pm).
  • After leaving their respective cars, athletes walk in separately, 10 feet apart.
  • Parents stay in their cars, and do not enter the pool gate. Athletes only.
  • Athletes arrive at the pool prepared to swim. No locker-rooms, showering or deck changing. Athletes are to wear their suit to the pool.
  • Athletes enter the 50m pool deck at the swim school end, depart at the dive pool end.
  • Athletes immediately report to their assigned lanes and put their belongings at the end of the lane near the fence.
  • One swimmer per lane. Swimmers must stay and swim in the center of the lane (six feet apart)
  • Locker rooms will remain locked. If swimmers use the swim school toilets they must clean it thoroughly following use.
  • Depart the practice immediately before the next group arrives.
  • Athletes cannot loiter in the parking lot at MAC.
  • Parents must be ready to pick athletes up as soon as practice finishes.
  • Athletes must exit ten feet apart.
  • Swimmers that do not follow these rules will be removed from the group.

They’re swimming in the pool short course, so they can swim 18 at a time with 1-per-lane. So far, the program’s elite athletes are the ones back in the water.

With the release of the USA Swimming document, we will likely see clubs across the United States slowly make a return to the pool over the coming weeks while adhering to all applicable guidelines.

The Nadadores are one of the most historic swimming clubs in the United States and the world. Formed in 1968, the Nadadores have 47 team national championships, 12 Olympic gold medals, 7 Olympic silver medals, and 1 Olympic bronze medal. Its swimmers have broken 91 American Records and 22 World Records.

In 1976, the Nadadores sent 6 swimmers to the Olympic Games in Montreal: Shirley Babashoff, Brian Goodell, Maryanne Graham, Nicole Kramer, Casey Converse, and Marcia Morley.

Goodell, who won the 400 and 1500 freestyles at those 1976 Olympic Games, is crucial in this story: Goodell is the mayor of Mission Viejo. In March, as the country was shutting down while coronavirus spread, Goodell activated city staff to help the Nadadores and the newly-renovated Marguerite Aquatic Center take over hosting duties of a Junior Olympics meet. That meet was eventually cancelled.

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Nswim
1 year ago

Sadly I don’t see it being possible for my team to return to practice anytime soon because our facility lacks an individual pool entrance/exit.

T Hill
Reply to  Nswim
1 year ago

consider options to make one if it’s an outdoor pool ? if you have only 1 entrance/exit the stagger start should work.

DrSwimPhil
Reply to  Nswim
1 year ago

Honest question: do you enter the same door people exit at a grocery store or similar open store?

Truth
Reply to  DrSwimPhil
1 year ago

At my grocery store, it’s in one door and out another door on the other side of the building. The aisles are “one way”. There are people directing traffic. It’s organized and people seem to be okay following the rules.

DrSwimPhil
Reply to  Truth
1 year ago

My grocery store has those, yet no one follows them (and no one directs the traffic). And yet…the rate of infection here in this area is well below the national average (and actually below the state average…which is one of the states opening up).

So different things are happening everywhere. I’m willing to bet the entrance/exit location isn’t the issue. Especially relative to how one has to transmit and one has to be infected, as the data is showing.

ct swim fan
1 year ago

Doesn’t chlorine kill the virus? If so, I would think that at least 2 people per lane, one at each end of the pool would be OK. Also, if it is a 50 meter pool, couldn’t swimmers also start and end repeats in the middle of the pool. Just thinking how they could get more people in the lanes safely if the virus is in fact killed by chlorine.

TheSwammer
Reply to  ct swim fan
1 year ago

Doesn’t matter if chlorine kills the virus. If you have the virus and you jump in the pool, you don’t magically destroy the virus.

You’re taking precautions in the off chance that one of the athletes does have the virus. One of the biggest issues with the virus is being asymptomatic or just simply not knowing if you have the virus since you haven’t shown symptoms yet. You’re completely eliminating the chance that he/she can spread it by staying far apart. Having more than one athlete at a time in a lane increases the risk.

Human Ambition
Reply to  TheSwammer
1 year ago

Noticing that no requirements of individual health screening nor washing of hands are included in those guidelines.

Turbo
Reply to  Human Ambition
1 year ago

Ah. You’re that guy.

Doconc
Reply to  TheSwammer
1 year ago

Not a shred of data to support this statement

Swimmom
Reply to  Doconc
1 year ago

Honestly are much data period on the virus. Yesterday 8 new indications of the virus were finally released. You don’t need a fever or upper respiratory element. Shortness or breath, lost taste or smell, intense headaches, chills absent of fever and debilitating muscle pain. It’s not the flu for-sure!

PVSFree
Reply to  TheSwammer
1 year ago

Adding on to this: it’s a respiratory virus. It spreads through the air. With everyone heavily breathing, if you’re on the wall resting between sets and your lane mate has it, you’re proooobably gonna get it as well.

Wuhan Jimmy
Reply to  PVSFree
1 year ago

I thought we were trying to build up “herd immunity.” Is the new goal that nobody ever gets CV-19? Two months ago, the goal was to “flatten the curve” so that the medical system wouldn’t be overwhelmed. That goal has been realized almost everywhere — so much so that medical personnel are being furloughed.

Tomek
Reply to  Wuhan Jimmy
1 year ago

In Texas some mid-level professionals were laid-off, staff is asked to work 20-25% more (major medical system in central Texas) for the same pay and was told if productivity will not increase the pay cuts will follow. Even though elective medical procedures resumed recently under strict guidelines the numbers of patients in hospital and clinic are very low compared to levels before Corona outbreak.

goggles123
Reply to  Wuhan Jimmy
1 year ago

I think you need to go back and listen to what the experts have been saying. None of them are advocating to go get up in everybody’s grill and catch this thing in the interest of “herd immunity”.

If we were protecting the health system and flattening the curve earlier then what has changed now to where everyone should try to get it?

Col. Trautman
Reply to  ct swim fan
1 year ago

Has anyone thought about injecting chlorine into the body to disinfect the virus? Maybe that can be tested.

STEVE MICHAEL FRIEDERANG
Reply to  Col. Trautman
1 year ago

Col. Trautman, That has been tested, but not with straight Chlorine. That’s actually one of the strongest possibilities of a cure. It’s called hydroxychloroquine. Scientists are pretty sure that, although that drug is effective in preventing malaria and is good for rheumatoid arthritis, in its present state it probably doesn’t stop Covid 19 as Mr Trump and others thought. It wouldn’t be completely surprising is some form of this could prove more effective. Obviously pool chlorine can’t stop Covid-19 internally, but it does kill it on surfaces and in water. Make heroes of these scientists. They can be just as important as military and firefighters.

Meeeeeee
Reply to  STEVE MICHAEL FRIEDERANG
1 year ago

Well the only research right now is on the severely ill. Now working on prevention in the uninfected

Meeeeeee
Reply to  Col. Trautman
1 year ago

Well no not injection. Only the press believes someone said that. But here is work on using it Orally:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742

Mark
Reply to  ct swim fan
1 year ago

Not sure how you are going to stay 6 feet apart while going past your lane mate each lenght in the middle of the pool. I know some lanes are 8 feet wide, but you are telling me that every swimmer will suck right into the lane line each time they pass the other swimmer in their lane?

DrSwimPhil
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

I’d be really curious to see what the concussion rate is in swimming (are there any stats to that?). I’m willing to bet there’s a better chance two swimmers swimming past each other hit each other and gain a concussion (or break a hand or whatever) than there is of the exact moment both swimmers breathe in the perfect spot in the perfect time to pass/catch a virus when swimming past each other.

mark
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

Since the lanes are usually 7+ft wide, and everyone swims in the middle, well seems like simple math. The one at most risk here is the coach, the swimmers will most likely be in the asymptomatic group, he is in the bullseye.

Swimmom
Reply to  ct swim fan
1 year ago

The virus also spreads through nasal secretions, air droplets from breathing…so sadly you cannot count on chlorine counts to stop the spread. Seems like they’ve thought this through

Ol' Longhorn
1 year ago

Parents stay in the cars. Should be a permanent rule.

Human Ambition
Reply to  Ol' Longhorn
1 year ago

Really… What kind of patients do you have in the US?

Ol' Longhorn
Reply to  Human Ambition
1 year ago

Right now, a lot of COVID-19 patients.

Coachy
Reply to  Ol' Longhorn
1 year ago

How many?

M d e
Reply to  Ol' Longhorn
1 year ago

I’ve never swam at or worked for a club where parents weren’t banned from pooldeck for the senior group. At my current club if a parent left the grand stand and tried to talk to a coach they would be sent away, if they persisted they would have been asked to leave.

Vic
Reply to  M d e
1 year ago

Nice, I use to coach for a club in Socal where a parent walked up to me on deck and just let me have it. The head coach was standing three feet away from me and didn’t say a word.
The twelve year old girl swimmer was such a little..

Brandi
1 year ago

This is awesome, good job Mark and MVN!

cynthia curran
Reply to  Brandi
1 year ago

Maybe, break up into more sessions, but how does this worked. Maybe, because rec or lap swimming is closed. So, more sessions for different groups can be done. Maybe, the little kids practice at a different pool than the teenagers and adults.

cynthia curran
1 year ago

So, Brian Goodell is mayor. This is probably why the swimming and diving keeps going in MV

Swimmer
1 year ago

Is this equitable? – nope
Is this fair? – who said life is fair
Is this a little disheartening to those that can’t swim, possibly for months? – you bet it is.

techsuitsroverrated
Reply to  Swimmer
1 year ago

Don’t worry. Newsom will shut em down.

itsyaboi
Reply to  Swimmer
1 year ago

especially for people 15 minutes down the road who can’t swim. . .

Sunny Cal
1 year ago

So if its 8 lane pool, only 8 can practice at a time?? How many sessions would they have to have to accomadate their whole team? This seems crazy!

PVSFree
Reply to  Sunny Cal
1 year ago

It’s better than nothing

Backstrokebro
Reply to  Sunny Cal
1 year ago

My thoughts exactly. I don’t know how many pools they have access to or how many swimmers they have, but I’d imagine that they don’t have nearly enough lanes for everyone, so realistically only the pro and senior groups are getting to practice here

Sophie
Reply to  Sunny Cal
1 year ago

Perhaps they’re having it be short course? In which case that’s 22 people I think?

Numanuma
Reply to  Sunny Cal
1 year ago

Only elites can practice

Coach John
Reply to  Sunny Cal
1 year ago

the article states its a 18X25 SCY setup….and it also states 2 sessions… the info is there…

webepaint
Reply to  Coach John
1 year ago

MVN has 36 swimmers now?

JHS
1 year ago

I believe this should not be allowed for minor athletes. If parents are not allowed in the pool area, then the interactions are not observable and interruptable by a parent…

Concerned
Reply to  JHS
1 year ago

Like when the minor athlete lives in that coach’s house with the parents 3,000 miles away?

superconcerned
Reply to  Concerned
1 year ago

what parent would agree to that?

Concerned
Reply to  superconcerned
1 year ago

The parent of the swimmer who registered their child for high school in California at his [above coach] home address and had that child live with coach because they thought it would help their child get to the Olympics. Strange nobody has followed up on this despite reports to USA Swimming and swim media and this flagrant violation of USAS policies and good judgment if not also laws.

Swim Dad
Reply to  JHS
1 year ago

@HumanAmbition please refer to the comment from @JHS above to answer what kind of parent we have too many of, though definitely not all are like this. Some like to sit in the stands and then critique and criticize and then misquote Safe Sport guidelines about ‘observable and interruptable’ interactions and try to imply it requires interactions to be observable by a parent rather than just by other people.

JHS
Reply to  Swim Dad
1 year ago
Human Ambition
Reply to  Swim Dad
1 year ago

I might be optimistic, but I see present parents an opportunity to build relations. But it also great if the team or national body has a code of conduct for parents.

techsuitsroverrated
Reply to  JHS
1 year ago

Interesting you mention that. I totally agree with you but Mission has never allowed parents inside to observe. That was one of the main reasons I did not have my child join that team.

OldMVNma
Reply to  techsuitsroverrated
1 year ago

Nice try. My sons both swam for MVN. One from age 8-22 and the other from age 10-22. Parents were allowed to observe every day. What propaganda did you listen to?

Techsuitsroverrated
Reply to  OldMVNma
1 year ago

Maybe back in the day. But you’re wrong. Parents were not allowed inside even before the pandemic.

Swimswammer
Reply to  techsuitsroverrated
1 year ago

@techsuitsroverrated what kind of engine does your aircraft have Mr./Mrs. helicopter parent?

Vic
Reply to  Swimswammer
1 year ago

What? The parents pay the team $$ so that their kid can join a swim team. Whats wrong with watching your kid do an activity?

yardfan
Reply to  Vic
1 year ago

That’s being an helicopter parent and it prevents the kids from becoming responsible, independent people.

Techsuitsroverrated
Reply to  Swimswammer
1 year ago

I get joy out of watching my kid swim. I’m not there to critique, analyze or criticize. It’s my time to destress after a long day of work. I think I have that right. If that’s being a helicopter parent, I’m fine with that.

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James swam five years at Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, specializing in the 200 free, back and IM. He finished up his collegiate swimming career in 2018, graduating with a bachelor's degree in economics. In 2019 he completed his graduate degree in sports journalism. Prior to going to Laurentian, James swam …

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