Best Junior Times Ever: An Open Source Record Book

  62 Braden Keith | May 21st, 2014 | Featured, International, National, News

With the April 1st “open season” on the new FINA Junior World Records, there’s very much of a limbo-situation left in the gap between the recognized Junior World Record, and the fastest times ever done by a junior.

And so, below, we’ve made our best attempt at assembling these “Junior World bests,” sticking with FINA’s definition of a ‘junior.” That is to say, girls who are aged 14-17 or boys who are aged 15-18, based on their age on December 31st.

That eliminates some really good, really well-known swims, like Thorpe’s World Record at 18, but in the year he turned 19.

This is where we’re asking for help from our readers. We know we have great readers that know a lot about swimming, and because of the monumental task of tracking down these “bests,” we fully recognize that there’s some we might have missed.

And so, before we settle up with these as Junior World bests, we’re reaching out to our audience to help make sure we haven’t overlooked any. Some were easy to figure out, especially on the girls’ side, where a huge portion of the current World Records were done by swimmers 17 & under.

If you think you’ve found a time that should replace one on this list, leave it in the comments with time, meet, and results if you can find them, and if we can verify, we’ll update the list.

Once suggestions quiet down for a few days, we’ll settle things up (they can always be changed later if one happens to have still been overlooked).

Interestingly, thus far, only two (UPDATED) of these swims is also the Junior World Record – that’s Evgeny Sedov’s 50 fly and Santana’s 100 free.

50 Free 21.98 Evgeny Sedov
100 Free 48.35 Matheus Santana* (McEvoy was 48.0 as an 18-year old, but in his “19th year”)
200 Free 1:43.90 Danila Izotov (still his best time)
400 Free 3:40.59 Ian Thorpe (his 3:40.17 was done at 18, but was in his “19th year”)
800 Free 7:45.67 Mack Horton (Really hard to find this one – Thorpe’s WR wasn’t until his “19th year”)
1500 Free 14:46.84 Sun Yang (14:43.48 from Kieren Perkins was in his “19th year”, UPDATED)
50 Back 25.04 Ryan Murphy (Xu Jiayu in his 19th year)
100 Back 53.38 Ryan Murphy (Hagino in 19th year)
200 Back 1:54.77 Ryosuke Irie (Hagino in 19th year, Peirsol in 19th year, UPDATED)
50 Breast 27.16 (Johannes Skagius)
100 Breast 59.56 Akahiro Yamaguchi (UPDATED)
200 Breast 2:07.01 Akahiro Yamaguchi
50 Fly 23.28 Evgeny Sedov*
100 Fly 51.10 Michael Phelps
200 Fly 1:53.93 Michael Phelps
200 IM 1:55.94 Michael Phelps (UPDATED – Hagino was in his 19th year)
400 IM 4:08.94 Kosuke Hagino (UPDATED)

50 Free 23.99 Cate Campbell
100 Free 53.03 Cate Campbell
200 Free 1:55.06 Missy Franklin
400 Free 3:59.82 Katie Ledecky
800 Free 8:13.86 Katie Ledecky
1500 Free 15:36.54 Katie Ledecky
50 Back 27.22 Fu Yuanhui (UPDATED)
100 Back 58.33 Missy Franklin
200 Back 2:04.06 Missy Franklin
50 Breast 29.48 Ruta Meilutyte
100 Breast 1:04.35 Ruta Meilutyte
200 Breast 2:22.78 Keiko Fukudome (Watanabe faster in 18th year, UPDATED)
50 Fly 25.66 Sarah Sjostrom (done in both 2009 and 2010)
100 Fly 56.06 Sarah Sjostrom
200 Fly 2:04.72 Jiao Liuyang (Jiao Liuyang and Ellen Gandy were faster in their 18th year, while 17)
200 IM 2:07.57 Ye Shiwen
400 IM 4:28.43 Ye Shiwen

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62 Comments on "Best Junior Times Ever: An Open Source Record Book"


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jd14
2 years 3 months ago

The Chinese guy, Jiayu Xu, went 52.3 in the hundred back a couple days ago, and was still eighteen I believe..

jd14
2 years 3 months ago

Also, a 1:55.11 200 back, both of which done at Chinese nationals.

ILove2Swim
2 years 3 months ago

Girl’s 200 breast???

Majer99
2 years 3 months ago

McEvoys 100 free was in his 19th year

The Beach
2 years 3 months ago

Women’s 200 breast?

carlo
2 years 3 months ago

xu jiayu is probably the first backstroker that is really good over 50,100 and 200 meters.i think ryosuke irie has the best backstroke technique with very little splashing of water.xu jiayu will have to improve over 200 meters to become a great multi distance backstroker. xu jiayu,s time of 1:55:11 in in 200 meters backstroke is not too bad but he has to improve. his 50 and 100 meters times are really top notch.katie ledeky has some serious muscle,she has a lot more muscle than her competitors. lotte frills and belmonte garcia dont have her muscle mass,especially belmonte garcia.i was looking at a picture of belmonte garcia a while back and she doesn,t even look like an elite athlete yet with little or no muscle and on top of that she,s just 5,7 in height.she doesn,t even look like an athlete and yet she swims in multiple events like the 400 free,800 free,1500 free,the individual medleys and the 200 butterfly.ye shiwen has little muscle too.

PsychoDad
2 years 3 months ago

>i think ryosuke irie has the best backstroke technique with very little splashing of water

This type of comments about Irie drive me crazy every time I read them. People repeat this senselessly over and over. He does not have best backstroke technique. he has A technique that you like because it is so “pretty.” Why is it so bad to “splash water?” Because of his nice and pretty entry that you like so much, he will always be a bridesmaid and never a bride.

coacherik
2 years 3 months ago

^^^^^^^ Never fails to deliver.

aswimfan
2 years 3 months ago

With his technique, if only Irie were as big and tall as Grevers and Clary, he’d have destroyed WRs.

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

If Irie had at least 1.90 both WR were toast

PsychoDad
2 years 3 months ago

>With his technique, if only Irie were as big and tall as Grevers and Clary, he’d have destroyed WRs.

I expected better from you then this nonsense. It does not work that way. If..if..if… whatever…

Philip Johnson
2 years 3 months ago

Technique isn’t everything and doesn’t guarantee success, and I do agree with PSYCHODAD on the point that we shouldn’t live in a world of “what ifs.” Evans had terrible technique and was small, but broke world records and trounced her larger and more technique conscious competitors. Haile Gebrselassie, one of the best distance runners of all-time, didn’t have ideal running technique. Soni is often criticized of her techinique. Could better technique have made these competitors better? That’s impossible to answer for all we know if could have made them worse.

aswimfan
2 years 3 months ago

In long axis strokes (ie. crawl and back), especially in sprint being tall is a huge asset.

Can anyone please remind me of a male freestyle or backstroke world champion/olympic champion/world record holder (shiny suit does not count) in recent years who is nearly as short as Irie?

Soni swam short axis stroke.

Evans swam distance events, and her 200 was no where nearly as good as her 400 in quality.

Anyone else?

SprintDude9000
2 years 3 months ago

Psychodad – Splashing water is bad because it increases wave drag. To improve efficiency swimmers should aim to displace as little water as possible.

PsychoDad
2 years 3 months ago

>Splashing water is bad because it increases wave drag

Yes, if you splash it like 2 year olds. You read this somewhere like the poster heard from announcers calling Irie a “technician.” I believe in old saying: “In backstroke, if they cannot hear your stroke, you are not doing it right.” You have to drive your arm into the water for fast catch and pull and fast arm turnover.

SprintDude9000
2 years 3 months ago

>You read this somewhere like the poster heard from announcers calling Irie a “technician.”

Nope – I was taught the importance of this by a coach with a physics PHD.

>”I believe in old saying: “In backstroke, if they cannot hear your stroke, you are not doing it right.” You have to drive your arm into the water for fast catch and pull and fast arm turnover.”

What’s to prevent you doing all that whilst minimizing splashing?

Yu
2 years 3 months ago

Also, If youre splashing water, youre also probably pushing water in the wrong direction..

HKSWIMMER
2 years 3 months ago

For Women’s 50m back – Lau Shiu Yue is incorrect. Firstly, I doubt that’s the correct time; secondly Lau is a he, holding the Men’s 50 back Short Course record in Hong Kong with a time of 25.06.

LezakFan
2 years 3 months ago

Oh my god I swam against Lau Shiu Yue at Division 1 last sunday….he is absolutely crazy.

PAC12BACKER
2 years 3 months ago

Mary T. Meagher still has a record after all these decades? Incredible!!!

mcgillrocks
2 years 3 months ago

Hagino turns 20 this year, making 2014 his “20th year.” By that logic 2013 was his 19th, so his records from last year don’t count. Given 2004 was Phelps’ 19th year, I think Hagino might hold the record in the 400 IM from London, where he went 4:08.94, just faster than Phelps 2003 time.

Of course, as long as we’re compiling unofficial records, couldn’t we also list the fastest ever times by an 18 year old, regardless of birthday timing?

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

Using the fastest at 18.. 1500 would also go to Sun Yang 14:34:53 at Asian games 1 month before turning 19..

Flyin'
2 years 3 months ago

Yeah, McEvoy’s 48.07 was in 2013, his 19th year, which I think puts Santana as the fastest, from just a couple weeks ago.

Majer99
2 years 3 months ago

Irie 200 back 1:54.77 japan open June 2008 born 1990 so 18th year

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

Yang is from 1991, at 2008 he went 14:48:39 and in 2009 he went 14:46:84.. So the 1500 record is his

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

Yang times were at 2008 OG and 2009 Worlds (Forget to add this)

Majer99
2 years 3 months ago

Possible women’s 200 breast keiko Fukudome 2:22.78 japan junior cup 29 August 2009

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

When will Ukranian National happen? Probably Solnceva will crush the 200m mark.. she went 2:23:12 last year and she will turn 16 this year..

brook
2 years 3 months ago

Victoria changing the country
probably, Turkey

Majer99
2 years 3 months ago

Jiao 200 fly 2008 Olympics 2:04.72 listed as born 91

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

Braden, at 18 years old, on the year turning 19 the 1500 time is Sun Yang 14:35:43 at 2010 Asian Games, the time was at November, he was born on December.

Sven
2 years 3 months ago

Ever since FINA decided to observe junior WR’s, I wondered what the reasoning was for the girls being 14-17 and boys being 15-18. Why the disparity?

Sven
2 years 3 months ago

I’m guessing it accounts for the different rates of maturity, but is that the official rationale?

Wirotomo
2 years 3 months ago

Braden, could you also make the best textile list?
I think it’s shiny suit’s time for men 200m free and 1500m free & women 50m free, 100m free, 200m breast, 100m fly, and 200m fly. Can we get the real junior best time on that events without help from that super suit? 🙂

theroboticrichardsimmons
2 years 3 months ago

Open question to group – since we’re already taking liberties with the FINA rules, why are we sticking with the requirement to anchor a swimmers age to their December 31st birthday? It’s an arbitrary and silly constraint that unfairly penalizes swimmers whose birthdays are later in the year.

If we truly want a *real* Junior World Record Book, I propose that we simply count all swims done by males prior to their 19th birthday and females prior to their 18th birthday. Doing anything other than that is capricious, lazy, or both.

Wirotomo
2 years 3 months ago

50m Free Evgeny Sedov Russia 96 21.98 31-Mar-14 Russian Cup Rostov, RUS
100m Free Cameron McEvoy Australia 13-May-94 48.07 30-Apr-13 Australia National Championships Adelaide, AUS
It’s not lazy theroboticrichardsimmons, I think swimswam just want to make “what-might-have-been” list if FINA want to accept the records in the past, with the rule they set for their official records.
And the rule is not that bad, IAAF use the same 31 Dec cut-off for their junior world record.
But if you want the real record, i think we can make that list.

I’m searching for awhile and I come up with this list for men (maybe someday i have the time to search the women record) :-):

50m Free Evgeny Sedov Russia 96 21.98 31-Mar-14 Russian Cup Rostov, RUS
100m Free Cameron McEvoy Australia 13-May-94 48.07 30-Apr-13 Australia National Championships Adelaide, AUS
200m Free Danila Izotov Russia 2-Oct-91 1.43.90 28-Jul-09 World Championships Rome, ITA
400m Free Ian Thorpe Australia 13-Oct-82 3.40.17 22-Jul-01 World Championships Fukuoka, JPN
800m Free Ian Thorpe Australia 13-Oct-82 7.39.16 24-Jul-01 World Championships Fukuoka, JPN
1500m Free Sun Yang China 1-Dec-91 14.35.43 18-Nov-10 Asian Games Guangzhou, CHN

50m Back Xu Jiayu China 19-Aug-95 24.58 13-May-14 Chinese Nationals Qingdao, CHN
100m Back Xu Jiayu China 19-Aug-95 52.34 12-May-14 Chinese Nationals Qingdao, CHN
200m Back Xu Jiayu China 19-Aug-95 1.55.11 16-May-14 Chinese Nationals Qingdao, CHN

50m Breast Johannes Skagius Sweden 10-Feb-95 27.16 30-Jul-13 World Championships Barcelona, ESP
100m Breast Akihiro Yamaguchi Japan 11-Sep-94 59.56 20-Aug-12 Japan Inter High School Championships Niigata, JPN
200m Breast Akihiro Yamaguchi Japan 11-Sep-94 2.07.01 15-Sep-12 National Sports Festival of Japan Gifu, JPN

50m Butterfly Evgeny Sedov Russia 96 23.28 13-May-14 Russian Nationals Moscow, RUS
100m Butterfly Michael Phelps USA 30-Jun-85 51.10 26-Jul-03 World Championships Barcelona, ESP
200m Butterfly Michael Phelps USA 30-Jun-85 1.53.93 22-Jul-03 World Championships Barcelona, ESP

200m Medley Kosuke Hagino Japan 15-Aug-94 1.55.74 13-Apr-13 Japanese National Championships Niigata, JPN
400m Medley Kosuke Hagino Japan 15-Aug-94 4.07.61 11-Apr-13 Japanese National Championships Niigata, JPN

Wirotomo
2 years 3 months ago

There;s is one mistake in my list. 200m back, it should be this one:

200m Back Ryosuke Irie Japan 24-Jan-90 1.54.77 7-Jun-08 Japan Open Tokyo, JPN

2 years 3 months ago

I have a doubt: Marco Orsi(Italy)didn t made 21.82 at 18 in 2009?(Okay, he made 19 in December, but he made his record in March.

Rafael
2 years 3 months ago

Yes.. if was at 18.. regardless of when turning 19.. the 50 record would be from Orsi..

Wirotomo
2 years 3 months ago

I think you’re right, DDIAS.

00:21.82 Marco Orsi CN Uisp Bologna 6 Mar 2009 Italian Championships Riccione, Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_record_progression_50_metres_freestyle

and Orsi wan born in 11 Desember 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Orsi

so he is the fastest juniors (under 19 years) in 50m Free.

Wirotomo
2 years 3 months ago

OK.
FINA’s style Record: it’s Sedov (b. 1996), 21.98 (in 31 Dec 2014 he’s still 18 yo)
theroboticrichardsimmons/USA Swimming/Australia Swimming’s style Record :-): it’s Orsi (b. 1990), 21.82 (in 31 Dec 2009 he is 19 yo – not eligible for FINA’s record).

Kirk Nelson
2 years 3 months ago

It’s not arbitary at all. In fact I feel the FINA rule makes it easier. All you need to know is someone’s birth year, not their birth date.

aswimfan
2 years 3 months ago

I agree it is easier (for those who try to compile the list), but it is definitely less fair.

aswimfan
2 years 3 months ago

Also, for official world record, FINA have to know the exact birthdate, not just the year, so why not using birthdate, instead of just the year?

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