FINA Releases Full Olympic Relay Entries

  81 Braden Keith | June 12th, 2012 | Featured, London 2012 Olympics, News

(Thanks to coach Alex Pussieldi, the leading voice in Brazilian swimming, for contributing to this report).

FINA has released the full list of relays that have been invited and accepted for the 2012 London Summer Olympics, which is listed below. These relays were selected from the top 12 relays at last year’s World Championships (finals DQ’s eliminated an automatic berth), plus the next four best in each event from March of 2011 through the June 1, 2012 deadline.

The Canadian men, despite having not hit their self-imposed entry times at their own Olympic Trials, will send a full contingent of three relays to the event; as will the South African men. Iceland has their first ever Olympic relay qualifier thanks to the 400 medley that crushed the National Record at this year’s European Championships.

Also of note, the Polish women snuck their 800 free relay into the meet, thanks to declines by both the Netherlands (who would’ve been one of the last four in) and Sweden (who would have earned an automatic berth from their finish at the World Championships, but declined). That means the Polish women will have more than one swimmer at the Olympics.

There was some confusion in the Men’s 400 Medley as Kazakhistan and Brazil were thought to be tied for the 16th spot, but the Brazilians winning time from Pan Ams, 3:34.58 clearly makes them the 16th team in. (Kazkhstan’s 3:36.99 would have tied the Brazilians’ best time outside of the Pan American Games). We’ll now await word on what FINA will do about this unfortunate error.

The following countries will each take a full contingent of 6 relays to the Olympics:

USA
Australia
Russia
Canada
Germany
Italy
Japan
China
Hungary
Great Britain

Men   Women
  4×100 Free 4×200 Free 4×100 Medley     4×100 Free 4×200 Free 4×100 Medley
1 Australia United States United States   1 Netherlands United States United States
2 France France Australia   2 United States Australia China
3 United States China Germany   3 Germany China Australia
4 Italy Germany Italy   4 China Canada Russia
5 Russia Australia Japan   5 Australia Hungary Japan
6 South Africa Japan Netherlands   6 Sweden France Germany
7 Germany Great Britain Hungary   7 Canada Italy Great Britain
8 Great Britain Italy New Zealand   8 Japan Great Britain Canada
9 Belgium Austria Canada   9 Denmark New Zealand Denmark
10 Brazil Hungary France   10 Great Britain Japan Italy
11 Japan Canada Russia   11 Italy Germany Sweden
12 Hungary New Zealand Poland   12 Russia Russia Netherlands
13 Canada Russia Great Britain   13 New Zealand Slovenia Spain
14 China Denmark South Africa   14 Hungary Spain France
15 Venezuela Belgium China   15 Greece Poland Iceland
16 Serbia South Africa Kazkahstan   16 Belarus Ukraine Hungary

    Brazil 

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PAC 12 Fan
4 years 3 months ago

Canada’s 4 x 200 will be made from the existing team members. That means that the guys who came 2nd, Chad Bobrosky(USC)) and 3rd Hassaan Abdel-Khalik(Michigan and who I believe is pictured above) in the 200 free at Canadian Trials don’t get to go. After their race at Trials they were told that Canada would not be sending a 4 x 200. Must be infuriating for those 2 swimmers.

Thom
4 years 3 months ago

Yah it would be incredibly frustrating. But Swimming Canada set out relay selection criteria that basically says if the potential relay swimmers at Trials don’t swim a time that would make the relay competitive (Top 8), then the 2, 3, 4th place swimmers don’t get selected to the team. It sucks, and it looks a bit ridiculous now that they have to pull together a relay from the existing team, but it sends the message that they don’t want to send a team just to send a team, they want to be able to compete.

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

That’s exactly what Canada wants to do: send a competitive team. Now it is just putting together an improvised 4 x 200 Free Relay team hoping it’ll do better than the top 4 200 Freestyler’s in the country. Sense any contradiction?

Logical Canadian
4 years 3 months ago

Maybe Canada thinks it’s not fair to divert resources away from swimmers who qualified under the criteria for those that didn’t?

The real shame is that these swimmers were definitely capable of putting up times that would have qualified them, but they didn’t when it mattered most. I have the same solution as I Am Also Canadian, next time swim faster.

Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

@Logical Canadian

Even if you want to argue that theses swimmers don’t deserve to go because they didn’t meet the SNC criteria, the fact is that they ARE sending a relay now they aren’t going to be using their best swimmers. they are deliberately shooting them self’s in the foot and unethically taking up a lane at the Olympics. Either choose to only send a “competitive” relay or don’t send one at all.

To simply say that they should have swam faster is nearsighted, they did swim fast where it counted which was at the 2011 worlds where they qualified a lane. I agree they could have swam faster but the truth is that the trials have always been about sending the top 4 swimmers.

Red & White
4 years 3 months ago

I think most of you are missing the point. The relay qualifying has nothing to do with individual swimmers, just actual relay performances from WC last year and the best of the rest from this year. Canada’s selection process outlined time standards that the top 4/5 finishers had to meet at trials. The men’s 4×200 was no different than selection for the men’s 4×100 or the women’s teams which each had 4 swimmers make the cuts. Is it a bad thing that we are not taking 1:49’s to the Olympics? Of course not. As for bringing “developing swimmers”, it is the Olympics, not the Youth Olympics – for years Canada has taken Olympic tourists and we finally are holding the bar higher and people cry for it to be lowered. Keep the bar high Canada.

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

Totally agree with @Red & White. What should Canada do about the individual swimmers well out of the top 100 in the world that are going to Olympics…

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

You are contradicting yourself. If the bar is to stay high then why are we using the relay to make sure that swimmers placed far down the FINA rankings have a better chance of making the cut?

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

Many countries bring “developing swimmers” as you call them to the Olympics for the experience so that they are better prepared for the next one when they are at a higher level. I would think that past Olympians would also find your comment about being an Olympic tourist insulting. I know I do.

Red & White
4 years 3 months ago

I don’t think there is a contradiction here. SNC set the criteria for the relays so we would be competitive at the meet. Whether or not our fastest 4×200 will suit up is a mute point, they did not meet the standard deemed as competitive.
As for other countries bringing developing swimmers, I am curious who you would use as an example of this practice.

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

Great Britain – read their criteria

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

@ Red & White

Canada has prequalified for a lane for the 4 x 200 freestyle relay. It owes it to itself and the world to make maximum use of this precious lane. This is the crux of this unique situation. It can not be compared to individual events.
The internal criteria apply to relays only and not individual events, even though a number of Canadian individual swimmers rank far lower than if Chad and Hassan joined the relay team.
“Olympic tourists”! May be that was the case in Sydney and now the Pendulum is on the opposite side; swimmers who should be on the team are not on it due to internally-imposed criteria. Which extreme is worse for Canadian performance? For sure, the former.
Canada is not taking 1.49’s (in March 2012) to the Olympics, but is it fair for other countries that take relays seriously that Canadian swimmers who did not train for 200 free for a long time or did not even swim it at Trials, to swim in this precious relay lane? Is it fair to the Canadian people?
Yes, the bar should be high for Canada; Canada must have the best swimmers in the nation swim in this precious lane, or allow another’s nation’s best to swim. it.

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

@ Red & White

Not sure if we can call no. 2 (Chad) and no 3 (Hassan) in the nation “developing swimmers”!

What people ‘cry for’ is Canada’s name and performance at the Olympics.

Red & White
4 years 3 months ago

I did not refer to the two freestylers developing swimmers, that was reference to the post calling for inclusion of the #2 swimmers (Funk, Swanston, Ahani) in the stroke 100’s. Nonetheless, we did not leave anybody off the team. All those that met the criteria are going to London. Perhaps the appeals that have been launched should have been submitted before Trials if people think the criteria is unfair.

PAC 12 Fan
4 years 3 months ago

Appeals have been launched??

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

The main point here is a prequalified for lane that will not be swum by the best in the country. It is objective vs. subjective analysis here in light of facts on the ground. It’s accountability to the nation and the world.

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

Appealing has no bearing upon the current situation. If the criteria is not condusive to the best team, what should take precedence, following the criteria or sending the best relay team to swim in the prequalified lane?

Still, and in accordance with the criteri, has the option of giving up Canada’s 4 x 200 relay lane been considered, since at Trials, the top 4 Canadian swimmers did not meet the criteria?

Curious
4 years 3 months ago

@Red

There were appeals? Can you tell us more? This is some valuable information!!!

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

How can you say that whether or not we are bringing our fastest four swimmers is a mute point? Give me an example of a country who enters a relay with swimmers who don’t even swim the event! If Canada doesn’t want to bring the fastest four swimmers then don’t enter a relay. Are we going to field the relay with swimmers who didn’t even swim the event at trials with times that are much slower in 200 free? How embarrasing for Canada.

Nick
4 years 3 months ago

My guess for Canada’s 4X200 is Blake Worsley, Colin Russell, Tobias Oriwol, Brent Hayden, and maybe Ryan Cochrane, if Hayden doesn’t swim it. Another possibility is Tommy Gossland.

PAC 12 Fan
4 years 3 months ago

Neither Hayden or Russell train for the 200 anymore, so it is doubtful that they will be on the relay.

Thom
4 years 3 months ago

And I highly doubt Ryan will swim the 4 x 200. More likely is Tommy, even though he’s a much better 50/100 swimmer.

4 years 3 months ago

You up for a 200 Free @Tommy Gossland?

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

I don’t think it serves Hayden’s, Cochrane’s or Swim Canada’s best interest to have those two swimmers on the 4 x 200 Free Relay Team.

Hayden and Cochrane are Canada’s best chance at Olympic hardware. Why would they get out of their way to help a lack luster 4 x 200 Freestyle Relay Team barely squeak into the final. Hayden hasn’t swam a 200 Free at a major meet since 2010 Pan Pacs. And Cochrane has not broken the 1:50.00 barrier in the non-textile suits, but he doesn’t need to since his focuses are the 400 and 1500 Free.

Ultimately, if Canada is not serious about the 4 x 200 Free Relay they should forfeit their spot rather than eat up valuable FINA quota space. I don’t think this is fair for country’s such as Serbia who sit just out of the top 16 and are actually SERIOUS about the 4 x 200 Free Relay rather than Canada who it treating it like a victory lap. Just basic morals and common sense.

Nadador
4 years 3 months ago

Agree!

MKG
4 years 3 months ago

hey, there are rules about making the olympic team. if youre not happy you didnt make them then.. swim faster?

fair
4 years 3 months ago

As long as the criteria is followed in full then fine but if you read it in it’s entirety then five men have not made the team yet as they have not been invited by FINA. If SNC is using the 4X200 relay to get these swimmers in the meet because they are worried they won’t get an invite over sending the top four swimmers in the 200 is this in the best interest of Canada? Either send the best team or follow the criteria in full.

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

It’s not about those 2 swimmers making it or not, it is Canada manipulating FINA’s quota to allow its own swimmers to make it the Games. Is this fair for the countries with an 800 Free relay out of the top 16 that would actually take full advantage of the lane.

There is also an unwritten code of honor in sport, and this move by Swim Canada transgresses it.

4 years 3 months ago

Thanks

4 years 3 months ago

Thanks to all my friends

Rafael
4 years 3 months ago

Just a little fun.

Summing all only flat starts of the best of the best teams ( That are going to olympic ) on 4×100 fr and medley Men we got this situation.

Medley
USA (3:31:85)
AUS (3:32:40)
JPN (3:33:21)
BRA (3:33:44)
FRA (3:33:80)
ALE (3:33:89)
ITA (3:34:33)
RUS (3:34:43)

Free
AUS (3:11:58)
USA (3:13:25)
RUS (3:13:33)
FRA (3:13:49)
BRA (3:14:06)
RSA (3:14:83)
ITA (3:14:97)

Just a little sum up, not considerand Relay Start ou Improvements during Relay.

Rafael
4 years 3 months ago

A Littel Correction on Germany Medley

I Took Starke time from 2012. If you take 2011 time Germany will be 3:33:59

JPN BRA GER and FRA ARE MUCH Closer than we thought initially.

SwimMA
4 years 3 months ago

So excited for all these swimmers who worked very hard to make this happen.
Looking forward to seeing Iceland move up a few spots at least.Wonderful they have the first Relay in their history heading to the Olympics…and it has TWO Florida Gators on it!

jeah
4 years 3 months ago

4×200 free

Confirmed (by swimmingworld video at swim canada training camp in Arizona)
Blake
Colin
Tobias

4th Possibles
Thomas Gossland (good scm, not so much lcm….but this relay seems like a writeoff anyways)
Alec Page (good distance swimmer, will have alot of time 2 rest after 400 IM)
David Sharpe (eh…..why not)

Rafael
4 years 3 months ago

Braden

Thanks to “Blog do Coach” from Alex Pussieldi I Found out what a HUGE mistake Fina made.

On their National Championships KAZ went 3:36:99, which was the same Time BRA did on World Championships, that´s the reason for a Tie.

FINA DISCARDED brazil 3:34:58 from PAN AM (Which Would be the Second qualifier, 1 second after Hungary). The Worst is that this time is on FINA Site on its Ranking

Will fina redeem this error?

SwimFan88
4 years 3 months ago

http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=805

Rafael if you plug in the dates from March 1st 2011 to June 1st 2012 on the official Fina website you will see that the Brazil’s time (3:36.99) was never updated from Shanghai. I’m sure they can fix that for the heats at the Olympic games.

junker23
4 years 3 months ago

Their superior potassium made them impossible to ignore.

Rafael
4 years 3 months ago

Difference between Brazil and Hungary was Not 1 second, it was 0.01 Second! (My Mistake Again)

Logical Canadian
4 years 3 months ago

It’s a shame for those guys who didn’t qualify for the Canadian relay because they are certainly capable, but I’m sure the standards were set for a reason and they didn’t meet them.

And it definitely seems like it’s discrimination against their swimmers going to the States, it’s not like there was a black/white qualification time for the relay………

As for more Canadians staying in Canada making the team, I wonder if competing at NCAA’s in Seattle 4 days before the start of their Olympic Trials in Montreal had a factor in skewing those numbers? Just a thought.

All questions that I’m sure Swim Canada will be thinking about next time around.

fair
4 years 3 months ago

The qualification time to enter a relay was black & white but as you can see, there IS a 4×200 relay being entered anyways. That is the whole point. If they are going to enter a relay then it only makes sense that they should enter the top four swimmers.

Logical Canadian
4 years 3 months ago

Does it? Those relay team members would get selected over the swimmers who are waiting for their FINA invitation. Would it be ‘Fair’ if those swimmers got into the team and ended up taking the spot of one of those swimmers who qualified under the criteria?

fair
4 years 3 months ago

This does not make sense. These relay spots will be taken by either Canada or if Canada declined they would be taken by another countries team so the same number of spots are available to those who are awaiting their nominations. The only way this helps the other nominated swimmers is if they are put onto the relay. Other than Blake or Tobias who swam the 200 free at trials and came top four you would then be putting on members who did not swim the 200 at trials and would be a member of the relay. The crtieria had two parts for the relay swimmers, come top four and make the time. There were also two parts for the individual swimmers if they had an OST time. Win the race AND get an invite from FINA. At this point the other swimmers have not qualified under the criteria until they do get a nomination.

Logical Canadian
4 years 3 months ago

That’s not true. Doesn’t the meet have a limited number this time around? Canada sent the two relay swimmers that would take 2 of those spots. If Canada swims the relay and uses swimmers who made the team in other events they don’t take the spots, which would allow for more FINA invites at the bottom of the list, one of which could realistically be a Canadian.

Again, is it ‘fair’ to send relay swimmers who didn’t make the qualification over someone who did?

fair
4 years 3 months ago

See the post above from JEAH about who they are considering for the relay. None of the swimmers have made the team at this point.

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

Swim Canada is trying to manipulate FINA’s quota rule by not sending two extra swimmers. The only problem with this is that these are the Olympics and countries are sending their best possible representation. It isn’t morally right for Canada to try and manipulate FINA’s quota by cutting out two swimmers and sending a 2nd tier team to help its own swimmers.

For next time, FINA should add a rule ensuring that the best swimmers per event/relay are selected if a country is to be represented in that event/relay.

Sure, Hassan and Chad should have swam faster, but what do you say to the 17th place team that will actually send its best team forth?

It’s an international moral issue more than anything at this point.

Canada Swim Fan
4 years 3 months ago

2nd tier 4 x 200 relay team*

fair
4 years 3 months ago

So basically what you are saying is that if Canada gave up the relay they would lose 4-6 spots to another country and that would leave less spots for individual swimmers to get in so instead they are putting together a non-competitive relay using swimmers that don’t swim the 200 free? Hayden and Russel no longer swim the 200, Cochrane doesn’t train for it and that leaves a back stroker (Francis), a butterflyer( Bartoch) and two sprinters ( Hortness and Gossland) to swim the relay? Wonder what their add up time would be? I doubt anywhere near what was imposed on the relay at trials.

PAC 12 FAN
4 years 3 months ago

It was actually only 3 days from the end of men’s NCAA’s until the start of Canadian Trials, and this was with a 3 hour time difference.

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

@ Logical Canadian
As per the SNC document, the standards are set up to send the best team to the Olympics. How is this team, as it stands now, the “best” team? An objective, technical and clear answer is needed, please.

Go Canada!
4 years 3 months ago

Why not send 6 relay swimmers across the board? Give Canada the best opportunity to select those swimmers that will race fastest . Develop the younger swimmers like Funk ( 2nd Breast) Swanston (2nd back) Ahani (2nd fly) or Peddie who were also left off the team…. Build for 2016… follow the example of other swimming power houses like the Aussies. Our young men have historically missed team selection because they cannot compete with the young women when team selection is based on FINA scores that derive from fully developed male athletes.

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

@ Go Canada
The Olympics is limited to 900 swimmers world-wide so Canada can not send that many swimmers. In regards to the 4 x 200 relay, sending Chad and Hassan will not be at the expense of other Canadian swimmers, who are waiting on the FINA invitation, or other swimmers from other countries. It’s the morally and technically correct course of action.

GO CANADA!
4 years 3 months ago

While selection is limited to 900 swimmers, I understand that the order of selection is 1. OQT 2. Relay only up to 6 swimmers 3. Universality 4. OST. The 200 free swimmers did NOT meet the nomination criteria set by Swim Canada. Should an exception be made for them it could be made for others on the same principal.
Canada should nominate all swimmers who met its criteria but who may only have the OST as relay swimmers to help ensure their selection. Secondly, Canada could reconsider the opportunity to develop athletes by extending invitations to those athletes that met the Olympic standards but missed the Canadian team imposed standards.

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

This situation is unique because it deals with an event (4 x 200 relay) for which we prequalified at World 2011. Sending our best to swim to our best potential is the main point in this technial and moral dilemma.

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

@ Red & white It seems like you are in the know with SNC so can you please explain what you mean by your statement . “SNC set the criteria for the relays so we would be competitive at the meet. Whether or not our fastest 4×200 will suit up is a mute point, they did not meet the standard deemed as competitive.” I really want to know whay it is not important to you that the fastest swimmers are in the relay.

Since you seem to agree that we shouldn’t be sending a relay that is not competitive I am unclear as to why you what do you think is the right thing to do?

1) Use existing members of the team who have been accepted which at this point will be using member of the 4×100 and medley relay as other qualified swimemrs will not be swimming the 200 the relay? This will ‘save’ spots as you say in the unlikely event that the last two spots are Canadians. This will also result in a much slower relay.

2) Use nominated members who are waiting for their invite from FINA to swim the relay to make sure they get on the team and thereby jumping ahead of other swimmers from other countries who are faster? This will also result in a slower relay again and go against the criteria as it was set-out as these swimmers did not even swim the 200 for the most part and don’t swim the 200 as an event. It also goes against the criteria as the criteria says they need to wait for the invite from FINA. Nowhere does it say they will use a pre-qualified relay to make sure they get into the games.

3) Don’t enter a relay even though we have pre-qualified. This is the ethical thing to do in my mind but it would result in 4-6 spot being taken up for those that are awaiting their invite.

4) Send the best relay possible. This does take up two spots but as mentioned above the likleyhood of the last two spots being for Canadians is very slim. It does however go with the criteria that states it will send the best team possible. If it knocked out two nominated swimmers (again, very unlikely) how well do you think thoses nominated swimmers would have done?

Since you seem to have inside information who is going to be on the relay? Why is this information not being put out to the public?

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

@ Red and White

1) It is inappropriate to refer to former, or current, Olympians as “Olympic tourists”. Granted reference is not regarding the two swimmers in question here, Chad and Hassan, since it’s been proven that their presence on the team is needed for the relay to be competitive at the Olympics. Yet, this kind of language (and attitude) is uncalled for.

2) Objective, rational, factual, moral and ethical arguments from one side should be met by the same from the other.

3) Since this is the first time such a criteria is applied in Canada, it is a civic and patriotic dtuy to analyze it.

4) An important chapter in Canadian swimming is being written as we speak.. How would all those involved like to be remembered 5, 10, and 20 years from now by the Canadian people and the international swim community?

Kindly share with us the inside information regarding the relay. The international swim community is entitled to this.

Swim Ma
4 years 3 months ago

Why don’t you two(Fair and Go Canada) share phone numbers or meet over coffee?It sounds like you both have valid points.Firm up those points and then present them to the Canadian Swim Federation and The Canadian Olympic Committee.I am sure many of the people in a position to make these decisions have only been shown one side of the issue.If you work together, you may be able to open someone’s eyes and possibly have the right decision made.Of course, I don’t know what the right decision is, just that all sides should be heard before a decision affecting so many is made.Then, please let us know how it works out.

Fair
4 years 3 months ago

Why is swim Canada keeping the relay members a secret? The web page does not list anyone swimming the 4×200.

Mike Schmidt
4 years 3 months ago

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but does anybody know if the Trials are going to be streamed online anywhere? I’m in Asia, but I’d reeeeeally love to watch them. In 2008, I was able to watch them on the computer while sitting in my office in Seoul, Korea. It was fantastic! I think it was Universal Sports, but I haven’t seen anything about the Trials this time around. If anybody has any input, it’d be appreciated!

Mike Schmidt
4 years 3 months ago

My apologies to those outside the USA. I was referring to the 2012 US Olympic Swim Trials in Omaha next week. Guess I could have posted my question after a more appropriate article!
🙂

Swim Ma
4 years 3 months ago
IntlSwimming
4 years 3 months ago

With reference to streaming online:
http://nickbrunelli.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/updated-television-broadcast-schedule-for-usa-swimming-olympic-trials/

The caveat being:
“All but the fastest heats of preliminaries will be webcast live at usaswimming.org June 25-July 1. The fastest 2-4 heats of preliminaries will be broadcast on tape delay by NBC Sports.”

Objective
4 years 3 months ago

“Round 2 of British Trials kicks of Wednesday”. Glad to see a national swim federation aiming to fill its roster and working towards the best interest of its country’s swimming.

“The Brits have left themselves a whole lot of wiggle room, however, with the word “discretion” appearing dozens of times in the qualification procedures. For example, if nobody hits a FINA ‘A” time, the coaches may take a swimmer with a B-time”.

Any comparison and contrast here to the Canadian 4 x 200 freestyle relay situation?

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