#5 Stanford women hand #1 Cal its second loss in three meets

Stanford (#5 in our midseason power rankings) dominated the touchouts in a home season-ending Pac-12 upset over #1-ranked California.

That’s the second conference dual meet the Golden Bears have dropped in about the past two weeks; they lost to USC on the road on January 31st. Cal has been widely considered the best team in the country this season, and though they still might be the favorites at NCAAs, it’s becoming more and more clear that they’ll be challenged, particularly by their in-state rivals Stanford and USC, who haven’t appeared star-struck in the least when facing Cal’s roster of swimming celebrities.

The biggest of those Golden Bear names, freshman and international superstar Missy Franklin, wasn’t the problem Saturday. The Olympic gold medalist won three races and put up the field’s fastest split in her one relay swim. She kicked off the meet with a big win in the 1000 free, going 9:53.81 to easily outpace Stanford’s Andie Taylor. With the meet being televised on the Pac-12 network, the event order was switched to put the long 1000 race at the very beginning, and it turned into a nice early momentum boost for Cal.

Unfortunately for the Golden Bears, the momentum was short-lived. In the very next event, the 200 medley relay, Stanford touched out their Pac-12 rivals by just under a tenth of a second to pull back within 4 points. The relay team of Felicia Lee, Katie Olsen, Nicole Stafford and Maddy Schaefer went 1:39.14 for the win, topping Cal’s squad of Cindy Tran, Yvette Kong, Farida Osman and Kaylin Bing. The race was intensely back-and-forth, with Tran jumping out to an early lead for Cal in backstroke and Olsen erasing that lead with a 27.6 breast split. Osman put Cal back on top with a 23.7 fly leg before Schaefer ran down Bing, splitting 21.9 to give the Cardinal its first of many touchouts on the day.

The B relays finished within .01 seconds of each other with Cal on top, although it wound up not mattering as Stanford’s B team was disqualified.

After a one-event hiatus, Franklin was back in the pool for Cal to win the 200 free easily, going 1:45.46 to knock off fellow rookie Lia Neal of Stanford. Neal was 1:47.52.

But then Stanford went on a tear. First Felicia Lee nipped Elizabeth Pelton in the 100 back 53.02 to 53.04 for a huge win – that meant Stanford outscored Cal, which typically boasts in insane gauntlet of elite-level backstrokers (although Franklin and Olympian Rachel Bootsma did not enter the 100 back at this dual).

Next, red-hot Stanford junior Katie Olsen tore away with the 100 breast win, going 1:00.56 and leading a 1-2 finish for Stanford that put the Cardinal within 3. Sophomore Sarah Haase was second, and in what can’t be an encouraging sign for Cal, top freshman breaststroker Marina Garcia was just 1:04.20 and finished fifth. Breaststroke looks to be one of the biggest areas of need for the Bears at this point, and Garcia, a Spanish Olympian with a wealth of international experience, has seemed to have trouble this season adjusting her speed and talent to a short-course setting.

After that, senior star Maya DiRado went 1:57.85 in the 200 fly to win yet another touchout, beating Cal’s Celina Li by .25.And if that wasn’t enough, junior Maddy Schaefer led another 1-2 charge in the 50 free, going a dominating 22.46, followed by Lia Neal’s 22.73. Both got in ahead of Cal’s Caitlin Bing (22.99) and suddenly Stanford led by 11.

In the 100 free, Missy Franklin gave Cal a desperately-needed third win to halt the runaway train of Stanford momentum. She went 48.99 to remain undefeated in three individual races, touching out Neal by just .12, one of just a few close races that went Cal’s way on this day.

Franklin’s partner in crime Liz Pelton made it two in a row for the top-ranked team in the country by winning the 200 back easily. Her 1:55.35 was the top time in the field by about three seconds, and it gave Cal a slim 3-point lead once again.

But the Stanford breaststroke machine returned, 1-2ing the 200 breast with Katie Olsen once again leading the way. Olsen has been swimming lights-out the past few months and continues to come through in high-pressure situations for the stacked Cardinal. She went 2:11.23, a dominant effort that won by four full seconds. Her teammate Sarah Haase finished second, touching out Cal’s Celina Li by just .04.

The Cardinal put together another 1-2 in the 500 free. This time it was seniors Andie Taylor and Maya DiRado who did the honors, with Taylor winning in 4:49.06 and DiRado going 4:49.41. With Missy Franklin‘s individual entries used up, Cal had no answer in the longer-distance race, and fell behind by 15 points in the team ledger.

Senior Felicia Lee came back to win her second event in the 100 fly for Stanford to push that lead to 18. Her 52.74 easily topped the field, which for Cal included freshman Sophia Batchelor, Egyptian rookie Farida Osman and backstroking powerhouse Rachel Bootsma. Interestingly, Bootsma didn’t enter either backstroke race in this meet, just as she did in the USC loss, instead swimming both butterflys. The defending NCAA champ in the 100 back seems to have struggled some lately, looking very unlike the dominant swimmer who earned Olympic gold back in 2012. There’s no need for Cal to panic as she’s still got a few weeks to rest before things really heat up at Pac-12s and NCAAs, but the Stanford and USC losses both showed that her absence in the sprint backstroke is very prominent, even with Cal’s other players in the event.

Then it was senior Maya DiRado who came back to win her second race in three events. She went 1:57.62 to win the 200 IM, touching out Cal’s Celina Li just as she did in the 200 fly early in the meet. DiRado also beat sophomore Liz Pelton in the race. That put Stanford up by 29 points, just 18 away from the 150 needed to clinch the win with three events remaining.

The 400 free relay effectively ended the meet. Stanford roared out to a big win, leading wire-to-wire to grab the 11-point victory and also take third with their B. Maddy Schaefer led off the top Stanford team in 49.60 to provide a two-tenth lead. Julia Anderson added another tenths before Felicia Lee outsplit her opponent by .8, putting up a 49.12 and staking Stanford to a 1.2-second lead with Cal ace Missy Franklin attempting to provide the relay run-down. But Stanford’s Lia Neal made the final leg a deadlock, splitting exactly the same as Franklin, down to the hundredth of a second (48.64). That mean’t Stanford’s big lead easily held as the Cardinal won 3:18.06 to 3:19.28.

The two diving events were tallied into the final score at the end of the meet and were enough to close out Stanford’s win. Stephanie Phipps scored 323.25 on 3-meter to take the win and officially seal the deal for the Cardinal. Phipps wound up second to Cal’s Anne Kastler on 1-meter, but by that point the meet was already well in hand.

The final score was Stanford 167, Cal 133. The teams now have about a week and a half before they’ll collide again at the Pac-12 Championships with USC also thrown into the mix. It’s hard to say how many members of each team will be partially or full rested, as a lot of the big names are already qualified for the NCAA meet in March, but it should still provide another chapter in what’s becoming a fascinating Pac-12 landscape that should have a big impact on the final standings at the 2014 national championships.

Full results.


  1. Hulk Swim says:

    Is this really a big deal? I guess I understand the top ranked team losing dual meets is newsworthy… but I don’t think this changes anything come the end of the season… dual meet records don’t matter at Pac12s or NCAAs… and since the two teams in a meet are rarely in the same place training/rest wise when racing these duals… does it really tell us anything?

    I still feel like at the end of the season meets Cal will be Cal. Am I missing something?

  2. EmilyR says:

    hulk you made a good point
    not just different stages in their training but the dual format is also so different from the conference or championships…

    i will say that Stanford are an outstanding team which should be ranked higher imo
    also some of the Cal team has been looking tired & less than confident lately (since the loss @ Trojans)

    btw check out this cute Missy interview on the PAC12 website!

  3. Swammer says:

    Yes, at different stages, but the Cal team is a bit over-rated and the Stanford team flies under the radar. Stanford has been posting fast times at every single dual meet… Lee at 52-53 in fly and back at every dual meet. Take Bootsma/Tran on the other hand who have been struggling. Stanford has had a great dual meet season, and should be a threat come championship season.

    • duckduckgoose says:

      Cal’s overrated as a dual meet team, but Teri deliberately built a team for NCAAs not duals or Pac-12s. Why else would she take Pelton/Bootsma and Noemie/Mau in the same recruiting classes? You can only have three scorers in duals and this year’s team has four possible NCAA scorers in each back without Missy.

      Tran will swim legs on Cal’s two relays (200 free/200 medley) and has the third fastest time in the country in the 100 back. Anything above that (i.e scoring in the 2 back) is gravy. Marina, Bootsma, diving, and distance are concerns, but I wouldn’t write the Bears off at NCAAs yet. Teri’s already got more than a dozen swimmers safely into NCAAs, so I wouldn’t expect anything spectacular at Pac-12s.

      Congrats to Greg-great guy and great coach. They’ll be incredible next year.

  4. liquidassets says:

    We saw this coming when USC beat Cal by 60 and then Stanford beat USC by 40. Yet this was a bit closer as Stanford won by “only” 34 on the strength of some touch-outs, so the meet was even closer than it looked. Cal has glaring weaknesses in breast and fly and will need huge drops to overcome that, also they are weak in diving on the national level. And Missy’s not going to be swimming the 1650 so that’s another weakness for them. I’m still thinking Cal will prevail at NCAAs, but several other teams could win too. I agree that Cal was overrated and that Stanford was underrated. I’m not sure about Pac-12s, as I don’t know each team’s strategy, but I think NCAAs will be a barn-burner!!

  5. korn says:

    I agree….Cal is leaving the door open…..some of their swimmers aren’t stepping up…Bootsma, Tran, Spanish breastroker, and some others!
    This is why they don’t have the meet on paper. You have to earn it in March!

    • liquidassets says:

      Yeah Garcia struggling with transition to yards, as Jared said. As an aside I went to the Cal/UCLA meet a couple weeks ago, and Cal was so desperate in the 1000, with Franklin not swimming it, that they swam Garcia and she was their top finisher; I believe she took 2nd in 10:09. don’t think that will be her 3rd event. She won the 2BR in that meet in only a 2:16.9 and got clobbered in the 100BR.

  6. liquidassets says:

    Swammer, I just checked the full results; I agree Bootsma/Tran continue to struggle. They are huge question marks for Pac12/NCAAs and could end up making or breaking the meet given their combined scoring potentials.

  7. liquidassets says:

    In contrast, “Flea” has hit her stride all season and finally back to reaching her true potential, and I agree with Jared that Olsen has totally stepped up in the breasts, very consistently. I’m wondering what Flea’s 3rd event will be, she’s so versatile, but I’m thinking 200 back??

  8. korn says:

    I say Felicia swims all 5 relays and only the two 100′s? If not, then 200 back is my guess, but just a guess

  9. bobo gigi says:

    Cal has big problems on breaststroke and in distance freestyle.
    But we knew that.

    Marina Garcia is really a big mistery.
    Her times are awful at this meet.
    1.04 and 2.20!
    She was in the 100 breast world final last year! 1.07.08 in long course.
    She has swum 2.22.88 in the 200 breast.
    She has an international experience.
    And she isn’t bad in short course. 1.05.82 and 2.20.57.
    She must be able to swim around 59 low and 2.05 with her talent.
    We’ll see in March but it’s very weird so far.

    Where is Kristen Vredeveld?
    She’s the second big Cal mistery for me.
    So promising 3 years ago.
    She has disappeared since then.

    Otherwise, it looks like the Cal stars have done the job and ready to swim very fast next month.

  10. korn says:

    Bobo, you think Bootsma and Tran are in good shape? Wonder if Teri feels the same way?

  11. I was at the meet. Big turnout: I’m guessing nearly 2,000 people (60/40 Stanford/Cal) for an event that began at 9:30 on an overcast morning. The local swim fans were in good spirits!

    As reported, Cal looked strong for the early events (Franklin especially — pulling away in the last 200 of the 1000, and from the get-go in the 200), but I was surprised by how many of the close finishes Stanford captured — a number of the Cal swimmers seemed to be missing that “extra little spark” at the last 7 yards of their races. Perhaps they had a hard training week?

    A high point was Stanford’s Fiona Majeau who swam a strong 1000, got out, and two minutes later breathlessly sang the national anthem. The crowd went crazy!

  12. gousa says:

    Hey I’ve said all along how grossly overrated Berkeley is and got jumped on here for speaking the honest truth.

    So it’s rather satisfying to see them put in their place these past 2 weeks!

    Their star freshman clearly isn’t the force in Collegiate competition that she’s in the long course pool. Hiring foreigners instead of developing domestic talent has backfired for them too since their Spaniard recruit’s struggling so miserably in the yards format.

    Add to all those woes their lack of depth in the breast, distance, fly, diving, sprint frees and the lackluster performances of their veterans Bootsma & Tran…

    I’ll be shocked if those unimpressive Bears will even manage to finish in the top 3 at NCAA’s this year! Georgia’s looking real good to retain the title but it wouldn’t surprise me to see Stanford, Florida & TAM slugging it out also for Top Dawg :)

    • bobo gigi says:

      Cal not in the top 3?
      You are always very funny. :lol:

      • duckduckgoose says:

        Calling a freshman who has six top six times in individual events clearly not a force in SCYs isn’t exactly the honest truth. Why the multiple handles, truth teller?

        • duckduckgoose says:

          Sorry not meant for Bobo, but for Sybil, the Georgia xenophobe with the Oski voodoo doll…

        • gousa says:

          Let’s look at some stats.

          200 back LCM – Franklin has the WR in a time that’s almost 2 whopping seconds quicker than the next best time (Zueva)!
          200 back SCY – But she’s only the 5th fastest college swimmer in this event this season. Not to mention her teammate Pelton’s already 2 seconds faster than her!

          100 back LCM – Franklin is the 2nd fastest all-time (non plastic suits). Also Olympic & World Champion.
          100 back SCY – But only 6th fastest collegiately speaking. Just ranked 3rd among her teammates.

          100 free LCM – By far the swiftest of current US women. Shannon Vreeland who’s the next fastest American (non plastic suits) is nearly half a second behind.
          100 free SCY – But only 3rd in collegiate rankings.

          Jut goes to show how dominance in long course meters doesn’t always translate to short course yards…

          Particularly in Franklin’s case.

          • usswimfan says:

            Whatever…I would take Missy and any dominant long course swimmer any day over a short course specialist. $ is made at the Olympics and although I love short course yards, a swimmer’s livelihood depends on how they preform on the international stage. GOUSA….Wait until NCAA’s…you will be surprised how Missy steps up at that competition…as for Georgia and the rest of the SEC, they are legit but the Pac 12 should dominate this year.

          • gousa says:

            “I would take Missy and any dominant long course swimmer any day over a short course specialist.”

            Not when it comes to exceling in collegiate SCY swimming where your underwaters are such a major part of the race.

            Franklin’s weakness in that area hasn’t demonstrably improved in almost a full season with McKeever.
            That’s why her teammate Pelton is so far ahead of the Olympic/World champion & WR holder when it comes to the SCY edition of the 200 back.

            Franklin isn’t even dominant in the 100 back in yards either in spite of being the Olympic & World champion in long course.
            Her teammates Pelton & Tran are faster there precisely because of their superior underwaters & walls.
            If Bootsma wasn’t in such a slump, she’d also be ahead of Franklin…

            Disagree totally with your statement about Pac12 teams dominating this year! Stanford’s on a roll this year and USC is always a threat of course.

            But Georgia’s depth in a bunch of events will score major points across the board at NCAA’s and Bobo’s fave Olivia Smoliga will be a force to be reckoned with in her debut.

            Throw TAM & Florida in the mix who are already swimming faster than at this point last season and you’d have to agree SEC teams are generally stronger…

          • duckduckgoose says:

            Coughlin won 4 NCAA titles in the 200 back and 3 titles in the 100 fly not simply because she was an exceptional SCY swimmer, but because that’s what Cal needed from her. Cal 2014 doesn’t need points from Franklin in either back, so Teri uses her in other events. She’ll swim back events more in 2015 since Tran and Au will have graduated. Tran and Deb Roth weren’t top ten recruits and they went 1-2 as freshmen at Cal, so it’s not like Teri can’t coach backstroke.

            An untapered Missy is less than 0.2 off the American record in the 200 free which she’ll break in the coming weeks. She’s also 2 seconds off the American record in the 500 free, also untapered in an event she didn’t swim regularly until college. Such a terrible SCY swimmer.

            Amazing that your loopy vendetta always trashes McKeever, Missy, Garcia, and Bootsma, but nary a peep about Georgia’s inability to get anything out of top ten 2013 recruits Cameron and Ziliaskas. Neither is anywhere near ARs this season, let alone scoring at NCAAs, and even qualifying. What’s the conversion factor for SCY pools from PA to GA?

          • coach says:

            I think Georgia and Cal are loaded with talented girls who are tough competitors.

            That being said, one has to wonder how the issue of Jack not on deck at meets (and the black cloud of whether he will be on the UGA deck period next year) has affected not only the team dynamics, but also staff dynamics.

            Cal again is loaded with talent, but something just seems “off” this year. I am not saying anyone is a good or bad coach, a great SCY swimmer or not, but they appear to have had an uphill battle all season. Maybe it is due to early season expectations, maybe it is taking longer to adjust to having someone like Missy on the team, or maybe the dynamics are just off without a leader like Leverenz. I’m not sure what it is, but it just seems like there has been more energy trying to get back on track rather than moving forward.

            UF has quietly progressed over the season, the Stanford women seems to be gaining more confidence over the year, and USC/ A&M seems to keep plugging away.

            I’m not sure what is going to happen in March, but I am pretty confident that no one is going to run away with the title this year.

          • duckduckgoose says:

            Mistake above on my last post. Meant NCAA record not American record for Missy in the 500 free. Wasn’t able to edit or reply directly to the post.

          • gousa says:

            Franklin may have been untapered at Knoxville but it’s a safe bet that the Berkeley women had a few days rest for their big midseason meet with the Thanksgiving break preceding the competition. Which is equivalent to a mini taper since women recover in a shorter time period than men generally.

            I’ll give credit where it’s due. Pelton is looking good to repeat her 200 yards back title. Maybe even break her AR in the process. Li has gone mostly under the radar but will be an invaluable contributor to the Bears and more than a fitting replacement for Leverenz.

            Not trashing Garcia, Bootsma or Tran at all but there are major question marks hanging around their performances based on what we’ve seen this late into the season. If they continue their slump there’s no way you can claim California will win NCAA’s by any margin!

            Never said Franklin was “such a terrible SCY swimmer” as Duckduckgoose is accusiing me of here. I’ve piled praise after praise upon her impressive credentials in LCM (“Olympic Champion”… “World Champion”… “WR holder”…). Just pointing out that she won’t be as dominant in SCY whether you had wanted to hear that or not.

            Have to agree with Coach that “Cal again is loaded with talent, but something just seems “off” this year.” Again this could be from a number of factors but a possible explanation is they started buying into all this hype about them being “possibly the best Cal team in history” and so the big losses at USC and then Stanford was a rude awakening for them.

            A truly great Championship team will take the knocks and use its lessons to rise to the occasion instead of wallowing in self-doubt and loss of confidence. Take UGA’s example when they continued to perform at their best dual after dual in spite of the absence of Jack and all the controversy surrounding his suspension.

          • gosharks says:


            Coughlin won 4 titles in each 100 back and 100 fly, and 3 titles in 200 back. Frankly, the 100 back and fly were her best events (highlighted by the still-standing records in each). That was regardless of where Cal needed her.

            The 200 back/100 free could have gone either way, but Maritza Correia was there her first 3 years and Coventry and Hoelzer came on strong her senior year. (As an aside, I believe that Coughlin was fatigued for that race, having swum the 800 relay for the first time her senior year).

            Not trying to nitpick, but I feel that Franklin will swim freestyle races this year because she’s just better at short course freestyle. Not because “points are not needed” in backstroke.

          • gosharks says:


            I’m sure you are aware, as we all are, that while you educated us with some “stats” to highlight Franklin’s weaknesses, you omitted “stats” that would reflect her strengths:

            200 Free: #1 by 2+ seconds

            500 Free: #1 despite not having ANY 400M free credentials to speak of

            Funny that you should use Shannon Vreeland in your exhibit. As you stated, she is the 2nd fastest LCM 100 freestyler – yet is ranked #14 in 100 yards this season.

            Conclusion: your point is moot because we are halfway through February.

  13. bobo gigi says:

    About Stanford, I see a very confident group of girls.
    They are on fire and on the way of a great end of season.
    Lia Neal can make a top 3 in the 100 free and a top 5 in the 200 free.
    Maddy Schaefer can win the 50 free and make a top 5 in the 100 free.
    Maya DiRado can win both IM races.
    Felicia Lee can make top 5 in the 100 fly and top 8 in the 100 back and will be a very important card for the relays.
    Katie Olsen is back at her best on breaststroke.

    And next year they have Simone Manuel, Janet Hu, Heidi Poppe, Lindsey Engel, Ally Howe, Alexandra Meyers and the great diver Gracia Leydon-Mahoney. :lol:

  14. Swimfan says:

    Part of collegiate swimming is getting faster as you progress through the years. The Cal swimmers take top talent across the board but seem to only produce a few by the end of the four years. Rememebr a lot of these girls would be top five at NCAAs straight out of high school!! Where are they now?

    • GOMYDAWGS says:

      “The Cal swimmers take top talent across the board but seem to only produce a few by the end of the four years.”

      That would point to a serious deficiency no let’s be blunt a sad FAILURE on the coach’s part…

      • microbear says:

        Who are these top swimmers that don’t progress over the years at Cal? I think McKeever has a pretty good record with a variety of kinds of swimmers . . . superstars, middle-of-the-road types, and swimmers who had previously hit the wall.

      • usswimfan says:

        Ridiculous statement…I don’t think Bauerle would agree with you…in fact he would probably be ashamed with your assessment.

  15. The Grand Inquisitor says:

    Was a great atmosphere for a college dual meet – the usual large crowd for a Stanford / Cal match up was made larger by Missy Franklin’s mass appeal. I’d estimate the crowd at over 2000.

    With respect to each team’s post season prospects, I wouldn’t make too much from the outcome of this meet. Cal’s roster is not ideal for a dual meet format so I’m not much surprised by how the races played out today,

    However I will be surprised if Cal doesn’t take a step forward at Pac 12s. As noted, Garcia, Bootsma, and a few key others need to shake off their funk at minimum.

    At the same time, Stanford which does enjoy nice balance for a dual format continued to meet expectations. Nothing unusual or spectacular from them today, just consistently solid efforts as they’ve been doing all year. If they can carry that consistency into NC’s they could be in the mix for a lower spot on the podium

    So besides taking away some things to improve on (most swimmers, even the event winners, looked a bit ragged at times) I’d guess both teams will quickly forget about this one. Much bigger stakes ahead.

    • liquidassets says:

      Grand Inquisitor: What do you mean by Cal’s roster not being ideal for duel meet format?

      By the way, Jared Anderson, what happened to Carly Geehr’s article on this meet? I realize it would be two articles on the same meet but would be interesting to see her take on it.

      • Jared Anderson Jared Anderson says:

        LiquidAssets – Glad you asked! Carly’s post is now live here as an on-deck report with comments from swimmers and coaches after the meet: http://swimswam.com/stanford-women-overpower-cal-home-167-133/

      • The Grand Inquisitor says:

        Because dual meet scoring greatly rewards winning the event, the ideal roster for a dual format spreads strength across all events and distances (with few holes left for opponent to exploit). Championship meet scoring does not drop off so severely from 1st to 2nd to 3rd, so it’s possible to score well even if you are concentrating efforts in a few events and abandon others all together.

        In Cal’s case, they have very deep talent in some disciplines and significant holes in others. For example, they could potentially go 1-2-3 in the 100 Back at NCAAs and score a whopping 53 points (with 2nd + 3rd contributing a majority) but in a dual meet those same going 1-2-3 only gets you 16 points (with 1st contributing a majority).

  16. Grad says:

    Looking ahead- Missy only has 2 years w collegiate swimming, Stanford loses a few seniors but gains a strong 2018 class, and Cal has decent 2018 class coming in. It should continue to be a close matchup in the upcoming years. Who’s in the next batch of high school recruits (2019) for females?

    On men’s side Cal kills Stanford? Why? Does Stanford have any good recruits coming in?

    • GOMYDAWGS says:

      “Who’s in the next batch of high school recruits (2019) for females?”

      Of the top Californian prospects #1 Ella Eastin is a shoo-in for Stanford.
      #6 Katie McLaughlin is another stud who’s leaning towards the Cardinal.
      Don’t know about #4 Sonia Wang or #22 Kaitlyn Albertoli or #24 Abby Weitzeil but they may consider USC if not Stanford.
      Cal has a shot with #46 Riley Scott.

      Out of state
      #3 Katie Ledecky will be on everyone’s shopping list though distance studs are less in demand thanks to the way NCAAs are scored. She’s rumored to favor Stanford, Harvard or Georgia.
      #2 Kathleen Baker will also be a red hot recruit. She’s unlikely to end up in Berkeley since they are already overloaded with backstrokers.
      Not sure when it comes to #5 Nora McCullagh or #7 Leah Stevens.

      • bobo gigi says:

        #24 for Abbey Weitzeil? :shock:
        I don’t know who makes the rankings but it’s pretty ridiculous.
        She’s at least top 5.
        She’s by far the best sprinter of the class.
        Already 22.02 and 47.78.

        • GOMYDAWGS says:

          “I don’t know who makes the rankings but it’s pretty ridiculous”


          Select “2015″ Class for the Women.

          If the Top 11 recruits, 3 committed to Georgia incuding #1 Kylie Stewart, 4 to Stanford, and just 2 to Michigan & Cal. So Georgia & Stanford are looking good to extend their dominance in the near future…

          • GOMYDAWGS says:

            Meant to write “Of the Top 11 recruits for 2014″

          • coach says:

            The obvious difference is that the Stanford four are STUDS in sprint events. When you consider double points for relays, in terms of 2014, Stanford comes out significantly further ahead. One or two of those 22.3 or faster girls will be left off the 200 free relays. They would be significant players at any other school.

      • duckduckgoose says:

        Baker, Eastin, and McLaughlin all visited Cal unofficially on their own dime within the last month. Cal loses Tran and Au this year and Missy and Klaren next year, so there won’t be a glut of backstrokers at Cal in 2016. Training daily with Franklin, Pelton, and Bootsma certainly doesn’t hurt for any backstroker with international aspirations. Riley Scott’s been at nearly all the Cal meets (women and men) this season. Very deep California recruiting class in 2015 and plenty of ties to current and former Golden Bears.

        Doubt that Ledecky swims in college, but Georgia still has the same problems for Katie as it did for Missy-no post-grad training group, questions about how long Jack will be coach, rural location doesn’t appeal to every kid who grew up in the suburbs of major cities, and not as strong academically as other choices with strong swim programs.

        • klorn8d says:

          they went to cal and stanford on the same trip

          • GOMYDAWGS says:

            Thanks for the correction. They all visited Sanford. It wasn’t a trip reserved exclusively for Berkeley as implied by the OP.

            The 3 are good friends. Eastin & her sister has ties with Stanford via Engel. So chances are Stanford would be the favorite out of these 2 schools. Being an institution with one of the top academic reputation nationally doesn’t hurt either.

        • liquidassets says:

          I share your doubts about Ledecky swimming for NCAA. The boys she trains with at NCAP will be moving on to college as well, so she will be looking for more competition in practice. It may come down to where she can get the best daily competition, and going pro and foregoing NCAA restrictions may increase her options for that, which is in reality mostly men at this point, unless she wants to go train with Friis at NBAC. Interesting about the Harvard rumors; I have wondered a little about it myself because I believe her uncle and grandmother went there? I may have that wrong but I know a couple of her relatives did. But honestly, in the big picture there is no advantage other than a slight academic one, so it’s very much a long shot.

          • duckduckgoose says:

            Ledecky’s brother is a Harvard student now. Was a much more attractive swimming location for Katie before Murphy bailed. Bethesda public schools are pretty strong, so a family that sends one child to Harvard and another to a local private high school isn’t going to be looking for the right swimming fit with no regard to the academic side of the equation.

          • H2O Coach says:

            Based on that info, duckduckgoose, I’d predict Ledecky to Stanford with the academic/athletic combo. But yes, who would/could she train with? There are really no elite collegiate female distance swimmers currently.

        • matthew says:

          Ledecky has already confirmed publicly many times that she’s swimming in college. So im not sure why you don’t think she will.

          I can see her at Cal or Stan for sure. And Michigan too for some reason.,Don’t forget Yuri is now at Cal and that might play in Teris favor. And her besties seem to be at Stanford. She will NOT go anywhere that doesn’t have the best academics so it really makes hers A 3 school race

          • Francene says:

            Really? You are lumping Cal and Michigan in with Stanford as far as academics go? Seriously?

            While Cal & Michigan are definitely good public schools, if she really does care about academics then I would think it would more come down to Stanford and some Ivy Leagues. Obviously Stanford is far more elite athletically than the Ivies, but she’s going to be blowing away everyone no matter where she goes.

          • Braden Keith Braden Keith says:

            Francene – it really depends on what you’re studying. If she wants to be an engineer, it’s really kind of a wash to where she could really let her ‘comfort level’ decide. That would be similar for a lot of other majors too. I’d probably argue that Stanford’s reputation (especially internationally) is a tick ahead of those other two, but they’re close enough to make them all viable choices for an academically-minded student.

            To say Ivy League>Stanford>Cal & Michigan is the end of the academic conversation would be oversimplifying it.

          • 4.0 says:

            I would have to agree with Francene here. Lumping enormous state Universities having more than triple the acceptance rate to Stanford is really missing the academia boat on this one. Don’t get me wrong, you can get a good education at all 3, but let’s keep this real.

          • matthew says:

            (eye roll)

            this is all in the context of the athletic programs Ledecky would be interested in, Francene & 4.0. the majority of the top 10 programs are not going to interest Ledecky because it’s clear academics are really important to her and her family (UGA, TAM, FLORIDA – hell no). so that leaves the short list: Cal, Stanford, Michigan…maybe Virginia given it’s close to home and a good academic school too?

            and get off your Stanford high horse. no one’s saying they’re not more prestigious but Cal and UM also boast nation leading med/law/business as well as boat loads of nobel prize winners and poet lauriets. it’s the worst kind of uppity.

          • 4.0 says:

            I’m not suggesting this is a direct representation or comparison of the swimming programs, but it may say something about the student-athletic body at these “lumped together” colleges:

            “But UCLA does admit underqualified students – 100 this year alone, compared with Cal’s 36. Despite that disparity, UCLA’s graduation rates are better: 82 percent in football, compared with Cal’s 44 percent. Stanford graduates 93 percent of its football players. Michigan graduates 66 percent.”


      • Swam says:

        The thing about Ledecky is that she is quietly versatile – 1:55 in 200 fly, 22 on high school freestyle relay splits, 48 on HS relay splits, 49 in 100 free, 2:16 in LCM 200 IM at grand prix. So she is not just a “distance” swimmer and could play a huge role on any college team. That is- IF she swims in college. She really should, in my opinion, based on the mistakes that Hoff/Ziegler/Knutson/Sutton have all made in that regard. I’m guessing Stanford or maybe Cal for Ledecky, or Michigan to train with the men’s distance swimmers there.

        Eastin and McLaughlin definitely have ties to Stanford and are good friends, but I believe Katie McLaughlin’s mother swam at USC so I wouldn’t be surprised if USC was in the mix. Any word on why McLaughlin’s mother resigned from coaching the HS team and why Katie McLaughlin won’t be swimming for them anymore? For Baker I would guess something like Texas, Georgia, Cal, or Stanford with National Jr Team friends at all of those schools.

        That 2015 class is very strong with Ledecky, Eastin, Baker, and McLaughlin. All will likely be on national team trips in the next few years and that will likely play a role in their decisions. Stanford, Georgia, and Cal are the best colleges at that.

        • weirdo says:

          Katie won’t go to school until after Rio. NO WAY! She migh t take her trips, she might decide on a college next fall, but she won’t enroll until after the Olympics. Let’s take her out of the conversation for a while.

          • Francene says:

            That’s really limited thinking. I have yet to see any pattern of swimmers who take a year off from school performing any better than those who don’t. Ledecky is smashing everyone while attending high school. And I have yet to hear anything from Ledecky to indicate she will let swimming become anymore important than it is.

          • Braden Keith Braden Keith says:

            Francene – I think in this case, the rationalization would be so that she could stay and train with Bruce Gemmell in the runup to the Olympics. Think Allison Schmitt, who preferred to train for the Olympics with bob Bowman, and did pretty darn well. Then Ledecky would have time to become accustomed to her new coaches before the next Olympics came around.

            That’s purely hypothetical though, we haven’t gotten any indication other than what has been said publicly.

  17. bobo gigi says:

    Are GoUsa and GoMyDawgs the same?:lol:

    • bobo gigi says:

      Almost all their comments are anti-Cal.
      It looks like they are obsessed with Cal.
      But at least, they make me laugh. :lol:

      • GOMYDAWGS says:

        Speaking for me alone I am just speaking out in defense of all the other legit NCAA contenders who are frequently overlooked in the rush to prematurely crown those hyped Bears.

        Swimswam and their viewers may not be the only guilty party here. Franklin does tend to draw an unfair share of the spotlight everywhere due to her Olympic success.

        But swimming on the college scene is above all a team effort and a totally different beast from long course. So it would be nice to see for once more objectivity and greater attention on all the other equally deserving NCAA teams.

    • bobo gigi says:

      Thanks Braden for the news!
      Too funny!
      :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  18. bobo gigi says:

    Why I have never an answer about Miss Vredeveld?
    What happens with her?
    So promising 3 years ago. 22.17 and 48.32 at 15.
    She has disappeared since then.
    Has she been injured?

  19. bobo gigi says:

    Still nobody to answer.
    It’s really weird. :???:

  20. duckduckgoose says:

    Shame on Braden, Morgan, and Carly for being unbiased college swimming observers rather than shamelessly pimping their alma maters. It’s hard enough to be Georgia’s relentless recruiting coordinator, but the strain made Herschel create another persona just to handle much needed McKeever/Missy/Cal bashing. On top of that he/she/they have to prop up little known swimming Rodney Dangerfield’s Stanford, Florida, USC, and A&M plus the SEC. Bobo you should send America an updated four-headed, eight-armed medley relay version of the Statue of Liberty as a sign of appreciation. We just let that French guy with the women problems dine at the White House for free.

  21. Caffiend says:

    To bobo…

    Guess CAL’s program isn’t right for everyone?

  22. curious says:

    Does Missy do doubles? She has no tan, unlike her teammates. Either she is albino or does not partake in afternoon swims?

  23. MilkShaker says:

    Great win for the stanford girls!

    im just curious… USC beats CAL and USC gets a bunch of shit about being rested (when they didnt)… and not one person says this about Stanford? By no means am I saying that the Stanford girls are rested in any way.

    Why it is that USC has this stereotype that they “rest” when they win a dual meet against another big team?

  24. gosharks says:


    Please stop hyping up the Cal women’s swim team. The literature that you are able to churn out day after day about the Golden Bears is excessive. You are putting unfair expectations on Any-Other-Team-Not-Cal to win NCAA’s and you should really rethink that.

    As a swim fan, I am interested in your opinions on other teams’ glaring weaknesses and SCY/LCM time conversion discrepancies. It is clear that you are spending more time evaluating Cal, and other Top NCAA contenders deserve a fair chance to shine! I know that other squads are working just as hard as Cal to lose dual meets and to worsen their underwaters.

    I look forward to reading your improved commenting.

    • duckduckgoose says:

      Georgia’s a terrific program-great facilities, tremendous legacy, terrific coaches, and a cool college town, so why the bizarre singular focus on Cal?!? Not doing Jack or UGA any favors through this disturbing behavior. If it’s readily apparent to non-native English speakers that the same person is posting under two different names, it’s hardly effective. Also bizarre to use both personas in the same threads months after Braden pointed it out originally. Can’t imagine what perceived slight from Cal/McKeever would trigger such strange behavior.

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Jared Anderson just can’t stay away from the pool. A competitive career sixteen years and running wasn’t enough for this native Minnesotan, who continues to get his daily chlorine fix. A lifelong lover of writing, Jared now combines the two passions as Senior Reporter for SwimSwam.com, covering swimming at every level. Read More »