2014 US National Championships: Day 2 Finals Live Recap

  339 Troy Gennaro | August 07th, 2014 | Featured, National, News, Previews & Recaps

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2014 US NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS – DAY 2 – FINALS

Day 2 of the 2014 U.S. National Championships in Irvine, California will feature some big-name showdowns. In the women’s 200 backstroke it will be Beisel versus Pelton versus Franklin; in the women’s 200 free it will be Franklin versus Ledecky, and in the men’s 200 breaststroke it will be Cordes versus history.

The first day of this meet was an explosion of speed, with all but one of the winning times faster than last year’s National Championship meet. So far, if prelims are any indication, it looks like we’re going to have more of the same on Thursday.
Michael Phelps, the man everyone wanted to see, didn’t have a prelims swim today, but there’s a chance we’ll see a surprise appearance in an NBAC relay. Most of the other stars at this meet are on the lineup, so there will still be a good show for the nearly sellout crowd.

Women’s 200 Freestyle – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 1:55.56 – Missy Franklin
  • Meet Record: 1:54.40 – Allison Schmitt – 2012
  • World Record: 1:52.98 – Federica Pellegrini – 2009
  • American Record: 1:53.61 – Allison Schmitt – 2012
  • US Open Record: 1:54.40 – Allison Schmitt – 2012
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 1:58.41 – Maya DiRado

At the 100, it was neck and neck between Katie Ledecky and Missy Franklin. The pair flipped at 56.64 and 56.74, respectively. On the third 50, Ledecky pulled a little ahead, but Franklin kept it close. At the end of the race, Katie Ledecky reached the wall for the win at 1:55.16. Missy Franklin finished second at 1:56.40. Leah Smith booked her ticket to Pan Pac’s with her third place finish at 1:57.57. Shannon Vreeland finished fourth with her time of 1:57.73.

Chelsea Chenault finished fifth with her time of 1:58.60, followed by Cierra Runge at 1:58.70 for sixth.

Rounding out the top 8 in the women’s 200 freestyle was Simone Manuel at 1:58.79 and Sarah Henry at 1:59.05.

Allison Schmitt won the B-final with her time of 1:58.36. Madisyn Cox finished second at 1:59.22.

Emily Allen dropped more than three seconds to win the C-final of the 200 freestyle at 1:59.35.

Men’s 200 Freestyle – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 1:45.97 – Ryan Lochte
  • Meet Record: 1:44.10 – Michael Phelps – 2008
  • World Record: 1:42.00 – Paul Biedermann – 2009
  • American Record: 1:42.96 – Michael Phelps – 2008
  • US Open Record: 1:44.10 – Michael Phelps – 2008
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 1:47.59 – Michael Wynalda

At the 100, Clay Youngquist and Conor Dwyer were pushing the lead, flipping at 52 low. Matt McLean had a huge back half to reach in and win the race. He hit the wall with his time of 1:46.93, booking his ticket to Pan Pac’s. Conor Dwyer was second at 1:46.93. Reed Malone surprised a lot of people today in prelims, and was able to do it again tonight during finals. He finished third, securing his trip to the Gold Coast, with his time of 1:47.41. Michael Weiss had the fourth fastest swim of the night, grabbing the final Pan Pac spot with his time of 1:47.87.

Clay Youngquist had an aggressive first 100 and wasn’t able to hang on through the final 50 meters. He finished fifth at 1:48.08. Michael Klueh was sixth with his time of 1:48.30.

Michael Wynalda and Drew Cosgarea round out the final of the men’s 200 freestyle with their times of 1:48.66 and 1:48.73, respectively.

Frank Dyer won the B-final heat of the men’s 200 freestyle. The race was close the whole way and it came down to the touch at the end of the race. Connor Jaeger finished second at 1:48.41.

Townley Haas dropped close to a second to win the C-final of the men’s 200 freestyle with his time of 1:48.75.

Women’s 200 Breaststroke – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 2:23.44 – Breeja Larson
  • Meet Record: 2:20.38 – Rebecca Soni – 2009
  • World Record: 2:19.11 – Rikke Moeller Pederson – 2013
  • American Record: 2:19.59 – Rebecca Soni – 2012
  • US Open Record: 2:20.38 – Rebecca Soni – 2009
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 2:26.52 – Annie Zhu

At the 100, Breeja Larson has close to a body length lead ahead of Micah Lawrence and Melanie Margalis. In the final 50, Micah Lawrence reeled in Larson and passed her, finishing with a body length lead at the wall. Lawrence reached in for the win with the 6th fastest time in the world this year at 2:23.05. Breeja Larson finished second at 2:24.16. Both of those swimmers will make the 2014 Pan Pac’s team. Melanie Margalis finished third with her time of 2:25.27.

Molly Hannis finished fourth with her time of 2:29.o6. Andee Cottrell added a fifth place finish with her time of 2:29.15. Emma Reaney was sixth at 2:29.27.

Kaylin Burchell and Annie Lazor round out the final 8 of the women’s 200 breaststroke with their times of 2:29.29 and 2:30.30.

Annie Zhu won the B-final of the women’s 200 breaststroke with her time of 2:27.83, dropping a second and a half from her morning swim. Andrea Kropp was second with her time of 2:27.97.

Emily Kopas won the C-final of the women’s 200 breaststroke with her time of 2:29.63, dropping two seconds from her morning swim.

Men’s 200 Breaststroke – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 2:08.34 – Kevin Cordes
  • Meet Record: 2:07.86 – Kevin Cordes – 2014
  • World Record: 2:07.01 – Akihiro Yamaguchi – 2012
  • American Record: 2:07.42 – Eric Shanteau – 2009
  • US Open Record: 2:07.86 – Kevin Cordes – 2014
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 2:11.70 – Clark Burkle

After the most exciting prelim swim of the meet, Kevin Cordes was suprisingly slow tonight to win the men’s 200 breaststroke. After a US Open performance this morning, he only finished with a 2:09.48, leaving the fans somewhat disappointed. Nic Fink had a good swim, however, dropping more than a second to finish second at 2:09.62. With those swims, Cordes and Fink will make the Pan Pac roster. Josh Prenot will be on the bubble for the Pan Pac’s team with his third place time of 2:10.43.

Bj Johnson finished fourth with his time of 2:10.77. DJ Macdonald was fifth with his time of 2:11.27, followed by Cody Miller in sixth at 2:11.41.

Will Licon and Matt Elliot finished 7th and 8th at 2:11.68 and 2:12.05, respectively.

Cody Taylor dropped just over half of a second to won the B-final of the men’s 200 breaststroke with his time of 2:12.73. Brad Craig reached in for second at 2:12.78.

Jonathan Rutter won the C-final of the men’s 200 breaststroke with his time of 2:14.45, a one and a half second drop from his morning swim.

Women’s 200 Backstroke – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 2:05.69 – Missy Franklin 
  • Meet Record: 2:05.69 – Missy Franklin – 2013
  • World Record: 2:04.06 – Missy Franklin – 2012
  • American Record: 2:04.06 – Missy Franklin – 2012
  • US Open Record: 2:05.69 – Missy Franklin – 2013
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 2:10.23 – Kathleen Baker

It’s a rough night for Elizabeth Beisel. She scratched from the final of the 200 freestyle to focus on her backstroke. Beisel slipped off the start, falling way back off the start. Missy Franklin won the race with her time of 2:08.38. In this writer’s opinion, Beisel should have won that race. After starting from behind, she ran down the field and finished sixth. She would have been right there with Franklin, and probably in front of her.

Kathleen Baker secured her spot on the Pan Pac’s team with a second place finish at 2:10.42. Lisa Bratton was third at 2:11.57, and she will be on the bubble for the Pan Pac’s team with that swim.

Finishing in fourth was Melanie Klaren at 2:11.58, followed by Liz Pelton in fifth at 2:11.99. Elizabeth Beisel came back for sixth with her time of 2:12.37.

Rounding out the top 8 in the women’s 200 backstroke was Kylie Stewart at 2:12.42 and Courtney Bartholomew at 2:13.49.

Hali Flickinger won the B-final of the women’s 200 backstroke with her time of 2:11.55. Sarah Denninghoff finished second at 2:12.99. Bonnie Brandon would have been in the mix if not for a bad slip off the start.

Danielle Gayler won the C-final of the women’s 200 backstroke with her time of 2:12.25, a three second drop from her morning swim.

Men’s 200 Backstroke – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 1:55.16 – Ryan Lochte
  • Meet Record: 1:53.08 – Aaron Piersol – 2009
  • World Record: 1:51.92 – Aaron Piersol – 2009
  • American Record: 1:51.92 – Aaron Piersol – 2009
  • US Open Record:  1:53.08 – Aaron Piersol – 2009
  • Time to make the 2013 US National Team (#6 Nationally At Selection Meets): 1:56.83 – Drew teDuits

Ryan Lochte took it out very strong for the first 100 of his 200 back. He went into the 150 with a .8 second lead ahead of Ryan Murphy and Tyler Clary. Tyler Clary powered through his final 100 to win the race with his time of 1:54.73. That will book him his ticket to the Gold Coast for the Pan Pac Championships. Ryan Murphy had enough of just missing making the team. He finished in the top 2 for the first time, earning himself a roster spot on the Pan Pacs team as well. He finished with a time of 1:55.99. Ryan Lochte finished third at 1:56.47, which isn’t the worst thing in the world for him, as he is already on the Pan Pac’s team and can go for a faster time again in a few weeks.

Jacob Pebley finished fourth with his time of 1:56.68, followed by Connor Green in fifth and 1:67.60. Carter Griffin finished 6th with his time of 1:58.87.

Sean Lehane and Jonathan Robers were 6th and 7th at 1:59.01 and 1:59.78.

It came down to three in the b-final of the men’s 200 backstroke. Robert Owen got his hand on the wall first for the win with his time of 1:59.78. Jack Conger was second with his time of 1:59.90 and Drew teDuits was third at 1:59.96.

Curtis Ogren won the C-final of the men’s 200 backstroke with his time of 2:00.86.

Women’s 50 Butterfly – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 26.08 – Christine Magnuson
  • Meet Record: 26.08 – Christine Magnuson – 2013
  • World Record: 24.43 – Sarah Sjostrom – 2014
  • American Record: 25.50 – Darra Torres – 2009
  • US Open Record: 25.50 – Darra Torres – 2009

Kendyl Stewart won the women’s 50 butterfly with a new meet record time of 25.99. Although this is not a qualifying event for the Pan Pac Championships, it does put her in good position to make the 2015 World Championships roster. As long as there are enough doubles, she will have a spot on the world Championships roster.

Finishing second was last years champion, Claire Donahue, at 26.11. Kelsi Worrell finished third at 26.35, followed by Ivy Martin at 26.37.

Natalie Hinds won the B-final of the women’s 50 butterfly, followed by Beata Nelson in second at 26.88.

Janet Hu won the C-final of the women’s 50 butterfly at 27.27.

Men’s 50 Butterfly – FINALS

  • 2013 US National Champion: 23.29 – Eugene Godsoe
  • Meet Record: 23.29 – Eugene Godsoe – 2013
  • World Record: 22.43 – Rafael Munoz – 2009
  • American Record: 22.91 – Bryan Lundquist – 2009
  • US Open Record: 22.91 – Bryan Lundquist – 2009

To close the final individual event of the night, Matt Grevers sprinted through the final of the men’s 50 butterfly to win with his time of 23.50. That will put him in good position to make the 2015 World Championships team. Again, it will depend on the number of doubles that the swimmers have. The non-olympic events are third priority for World Championship team selection.

Tim Phillips finished second at 23.58, followed by Connor Black in third at 23.64 and Matthew Josa in fourth at 23.67.

Paul Davis reached in to win the B-final of the men’s 50 butterfly with his time of 23.77. Andrew Seliskar finished second at 23.96.

Michael Andrew won the C-final of the men’s 50 butterfly at 24.44

Comments

  1. 0
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    Allison Schmitt is in the pool in the B final of the 200m free right now

  2. Philip Johnson says:
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    Schmitt 1:58 in the b final

  3. Philip Johnson says:
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    I predict 1:54 high the Ledecky

  4. Lazy Observer says:
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    Is Allison’s issue physical or mental? So sad about this.

  5. jswim123 says:
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    Im looking forward most to seeing Kevin Cordes swim the 200 breast. Anything faster than this morning would be a great swim. I can see a world record for him the near future. I hope Ryan Murphy can finally win his first national title i believe it will be his best shot with such a deep field in the 100 back.

  6. Philip Johnson says:
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    Schmitt’s fall from glory is a hard one, a very big shame

  7. Philip Johnson says:
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    Ledecky 56 at 100

  8. Philip Johnson says:
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    Ledecky!

  9. Philip Johnson says:
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    1:55.16 for Ledecky

  10. Sven says:
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    Wow. Ledecky for the win in 1:55.16. I was wrong, Ledecky leading the whole way.

    • Rafael says:
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      Ledecky vs Missy at Pan, Pellegrini vs Sjostrom at Euro.. but… too bad we won´t see the 4 racing thos year

  11. billy says:
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    Anyone having problems with the webcast? I am……….not happy either. Any solutions? I already cleared out my cache.

    Help!

  12. Thanos says:
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    No one can hang with Ledecky at any distance from 200 to 1500 free at this time

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    This interviewer is asking some stupid and dotish questions of Ledecky and Franklin! Steupes

  14. lane 0 says:
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    If anyone cares:
    yesterday at the Eastern Zones swimming championship, Destin Lasco broke two NAG records, the 200 back, 2:10, and the 100 free, 55.0.

  15. Philip Johnson says:
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    After Ledecky and Franklin, not really impressive times.

  16. pvdh says:
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    lets see if we can get close to fraser holmes or mcevoy here

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    I admit it, I am bummed that Lochte and Phelps are not racing the 200m free tonight.

  18. C Martin says:
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    The shot of the poolside photographers seems like they all are enjoying themselves.!

    I didn’t see one remotely happy face.

  19. pvdh says:
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    slowwwww….

    • C Martin says:
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      When Swimming World tweets “Matt McLean WINS 200 FREE! 1:46.93!! 15th in the world!” it kind of adds to the pain that our FASTEST man [as of now] in the 4×200 is 15th in the world this year…

  20. 1
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    nice swim by Matt McLean. I like his style

  21. Thanos says:
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    McLean out touches Dwyer. Lochte could have won since time was slow

    • Justin Thompson says:
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      I don’t how fast Lochte can go in the 200m Free. He’s shown some decent speed in the 100m however 48.96 isn’t exactly great for Lochte and after fading in the 200m Back I don’t know if he’s in good enough shape to go a 1:45. His days of 1:44 I’m afraid have passed him by given his performances the past couple of years.

      • aswimfan says:
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        The claim by some people that the swimmers are not (fully) tapered in this trials in order to prepare for pan pacs is as silly as the claim that the australians were not tapered in the commonwealth games to prepare for pan pacs.

        There are some explanations for the relatively slower swimming than expected, but not tapered is not it.

        Maybe a couple of swimmers like Ledecky and Franklin can afford to, but who wants to risk not getting selected to pan pacs and thus 2015 kazan?
        Some are forgetting that this trials is very important in that it also serves as the selection for 2015 Worlds.

        So, is the explanation for Schmitt ridiculously slow swim is because she’s not fully tapered so she can destroy everyone else at Pan Pacs?

      • aswimfan says:
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        oopss…I wrote my comment in the wrong section

  22. TheTroubleWithX says:
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    Is anyone else more concerned about the men’s 4×200 than the 4×100 free?

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      yep, they are in trouble internationally if neither Lochte nor Phelps swims in the 4x200m relay. These current group of swimmers has to be quicker in the water to be able to dominate and I am not sure that they have it come crunch time

  23. Philip Johnson says:
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    Not a fast final, 1:46 winning time Matt McClean

  24. Old swimmer says:
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    Good day for Reed Malone. Goes from using a short course time to make the meet to making the Pan Pac team

  25. We Love Phelps says:
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    Matt Mclean very nice swim 1:46.93
    Congrats!

  26. C Martin says:
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    Matt McLean.
    Conor Dwyer.
    Reed Malone.
    Michael Weiss.

    A Pan Pacs team not many expected.

  27. jswim123 says:
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    Disaponted with the times from that 200 free…i wanted at least a 1:45, im sure they will be faster in Australia!

  28. BDB says:
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    So if Lochte decides to swim the 200 free at pan pacs, and goes a 1:45 high, 1:46 low, do the coaches put him in the relay? Because the times just swam were really slow. The US needs Dwyer and McLean to step it up, or the is will lose to australia

    • PK says:
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      Of course they would.

    • Wahooswimfan says:
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      Lochte and Phelps – I’d be surprised if both were not on the relay in finals at PanPacs. Until someone else shows the ability to go 1:45 low, I think both those guys, if swimming well, are locks for the relay. Dwyer too as he’s been 1;45 low flat start. Mclean needs to book his 1:45 low flat start time too, or his relay spot in finals will be at risk.

  29. Lazy Observer says:
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    “Or should I say Katie’s name first because she won?” I love live mics.

  30. wave rider says:
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    Probably won’t happen but I hope Cordes can break the world record tonight somehow. People are so hard on him. I’m really pulling for him to break through and shine on the international level.

  31. Thanos says:
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    After watching this final there is no question that both lochte and phelps will be on the 4 x 2 free relay at the pan pacs

  32. Sean S says:
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    Quite a few lackluster performances so far, but it is nice to see Reed Malone get third there and he is better at the 400, I’m tempted to pick him over Dwyer for the second spot.

  33. chinesesupreme says:
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    Chinese junior relay is faster than this american Pan Pacific relay

  34. Barry says:
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    What would it take to get Bobo Gigi to provide live commentary instead of Rowdy? I’ll chip in for his flight.

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      Sorry to ask so many questions, but out of curiosity, why does Rowdy bother people so much?

      • Justin Thompson says:
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        I like Rowdy, I’m not sure what the issue is with him for some people in the forum. Not that I wouldn’t be interested in hearing Bobo give it a shot, but Rowdy does a fine job.

  35. jswim123 says:
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    Is it just me…or so far, there have been many many races that have finished with disappointing final times

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      I was just thinking it was more fun watching the Grand Prix events. Are people saving up for Pan Pacs? Or is there maybe just a natural dip in the transition between generations?

      • pvdh says:
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        well, when you you transition from Phelps and Lochte, there is going to be an obvious dip. outside of the breaststroke and distance free, those guys could be thrown into any event or relay and save it. thats just not there anymore

  36. whoknows says:
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    Last year Reed Malone was a 1:53 in the 200 free ; this year 1:47.4! However he was a 1:50.7 as 16 year old!

  37. Sean S says:
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    Is Laura Sogar sick?

  38. law Dawg says:
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    What is it with all the slow times in the A finals? All these guys keep saying how the times are not what they’d expect, yet we continually see them underperform. Better hope the tide changes, or the US men are in some trouble. Which is a real shame too, as the talent is all there.

  39. Shadia says:
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    hmm quite a grand prix feel to the meet very slow start to the meet

  40. 0
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    Micah Lawrence is behind already in this race. Come on Micah

  41. Wahooswimfan says:
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    200 was a tactical race by Mclean and Dwyer – both went out first 100 almost a second slower than their am swims – and both had plenty of energy at the end. I think both will be faster at Pan-Pacs. With a spot on the team clinched, I think Lochte passed to be fresh for the 200 back – he has a chance to do the 200 free at Pan-Pacs, then he’ll have a choice of either or both at the worlds (or may just want a relay spot at worlds since it doesn’t like like any American can give Yangel, Yang,or Park a battle for first..

  42. Thanos says:
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    That piano was on breeja’s back thy last 50

  43. C Martin says:
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    I’m almost positive the man doing the commentating with Rowdy is the same guy who does NBC’s coverage of the action/extreme sports and Red Bull series…not sure who’s idea this was

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    Nice comeback from Micah Lawrence to pull it off. Her training at Swimmac is paying off. Breeja did well too

  45. Sven says:
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    Breeja Larson held on a lot longer than I thought. Looked good the whole way, but it’s Micah for the win in a 2:23 low. Fun race to watch

  46. pvdh says:
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    usa really needs dressel to save the 200 free. Hopefully he becomes more of a 200 swimmer under greg troy

  47. Sven says:
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    Amanda Beard rocking the Aqua Sphere shirt

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    Ahh Rebecca Soni come back!

  49. C Martin says:
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    With the exception of Tom Shields, I’d say this meet hasn’t gotten started yet.

    C’mon Kevin Cordes, let’s heat it up. New world record–we’re all rooting for you! (well, except for one certain parent ;) )

  50. pvdh says:
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    i wonder if psychodad has ever had someone go 2:07 under his direct advice

  51. law Dawg says:
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    Gunnar was still more than 2 seconds off his best. Vissering died as well. What is it about this meet and slow times? I expected this week to show off the vanguards of the next generation of US superstars. Instead, everyone’s flat :/

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    Did the feed crash for anyone else? This is crazy

  53. gooby says:
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    The entire USA swimming site crashed. This is bad for my blood pressure

  54. jswim123 says:
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    anyones feed crash?

  55. jswim123 says:
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    usa swimming needs to do a better job on their live feed…

  56. pvdh says:
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    ARE YOU KIDDING ME!! GIVE ME THE STREAM

  57. Barry says:
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    OmegaTiming it is? Poor substitute …

  58. C Martin says:
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    Back on!!!!!

  59. BTH says:
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    Thank you based god.

  60. beachmouse says:
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    And Universal Sports is showing roller hockey or something like that instead tonight.

  61. BP says:
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    Between the feed going down and having to listen to Rowdy my head is going to explode!

  62. Philip Johnson says:
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    Why couldn’t it crash during the 50 races?!

  63. Sven says:
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    I’m thinking he’ll be a bit off here. I’d be happy with any kind of drop, but we’ll see.

  64. BOSSANOVA says:
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    CORDES 2:06.65 HOLY $HIT!!! NEW WR! CONGRATS KEVIN!!!!

  65. Philip Johnson says:
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    I didn’t see it!!!!!! What the hell!!!

  66. pvdh says:
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    ehh way off his time, pulled way back

  67. Philip Johnson says:
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    FU USA Swimming for making me miss it!! Ahhhh

    • Becky D says:
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      Calm down. Once the feed is back up you can go back and replay and catch the whole race.

      • Becky D says:
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        I was out and missed the first few events. I was able to watch all the A finals and catch up. But if you’d rather spend your time complaining and down-voting other people’s comments, I guess you can do that.

    • hswimmer says:
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      OF COURSE I MISS THE RACE I WANTED TO SEE!! TIRED OF USASWIMMING DOING ALL THESE LIVESTREAMS!! They need to get someone else to do it…….

  68. Sean S says:
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    Cordes isn’t doing himself any favors…

  69. CraigH says:
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    Anyone have the link to the Omega Live Timing site handy?

  70. Lisa Bilski says:
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    Bossanova, you’re mean!

  71. Barry says:
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    Somebody get that dude some oxygen.

  72. BP says:
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    2:09, boo…wanted to see him (no pun intended with this lovely coverage) break the AR. Hopefully at Pan Pacs…good luck!

  73. TheTroubleWithX says:
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    2:09.something
    Fink right behind him the whole way

  74. pvdh says:
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    are these guys swimming in molasses in the finals? wth….

    • coach says:
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      I’m not making excuses, but this is not a good pool for these massive bodies. As one Olympic coach mentioned to me last night, putting 8 men who are similar in speed in the same heat is like putting them in a washing machine.

      Thin lane ropes, shallow pool, and FINA walls do not make calm water for our men. At least in prelims, the heats are usually spread out.

  75. whoknows says:
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    It’s all Pscyhodad’s fault! Interrupting our vision of the top breaststrokers!

  76. hswimmer says:
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    OF COURSE I MISS THE RACE I WANTED TO SEE!! TIRED OF USASWIMMING DOING ALL THESE LIVESTREAMS!! They need to get someone else to do it…….

  77. jswim123 says:
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    Super disapointed with that race for Cordes, way off prelims. I think i speak for everyone when i say that i expected much faster from him. i guess he can still a good race together for pan pacs.

    • pvdh says:
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      he probably wants to save his absolute best for pan pacs

      • jswim123 says:
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        I understand that…but why put a time in like that in prelims, and slow down by 2 seconds at finlas. If he had done those times the other way around it would be completely different

        • Booandbird says:
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          You think he tried to go slower in Finals? I am sure he would have loved to have it reversed but it just wasn’t in the cards. The disappointment though is unwarranted. . He won the race, the way you people talk you would think he came in last.

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    Nic Fink is one to watch for the future

  79. law Dawg says:
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    Another A final, another disappointing winning time.

    Help us Ryan Murphy, you’re our only hope.

  80. Thanos says:
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    That was such a let down. Such poor tactics. Why blast 207 in the morining, then go 209 in the final ? The opposite would have made more sense. I don’t understand why so many top swimmers are failing to improve their times in the evening !

  81. SM says:
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    These A finals just aint hitting it off , just makes the pan pacs that more exciting , felt the Aussies were holding abit back at the commies too

  82. TheTroubleWithX says:
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    Think 5 of the 8 A-finalists swam personal bests in the 200 breast tonight. All 8 2:12 or under. A lot faster than last year.

  83. don says:
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    So Schmitt is being written off, Luchsinger has been called a one hit wonder and both McLean and Dwyer are slower in their 200 than last year and both looked less than thrilled about their times. Mclean even so much as said so during the interview. You have four Olympians under performing, Why? Nobody is asking their coach that question.

    • C Martin says:
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      I hate to say it (or even bring up the accusation), but perhaps he has been focused on the comeback of his certain most successful swimmer?

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      Fair question (and you can include Phelps missing the wall in that list).

      Though it should also be noted: no one beat Dwyer/McLean here. And Kalisz was 3rd in the 200 fly, which as I understand it is not his specialty.

      So it isn’t as if the rest of the US field is flying by NBAC – look at Adrian, Ervin, Grevers, etc. who also should have done better times. Look at Clary, who came in second in the 200 fly. Look at what Cordes just did. I don’t know if this can all be laid at the feet of one coach or one club.

  84. Lazy Observer says:
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    Asking again: what is it people don’t like about Rowdy Gaines? I find myself neutral to him, but again I’m on the unknowledgeable end of the spectrum re: swimming in general.

    • law Dawg says:
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      He babies the audience, acting like we don’t know anything about swimming. He also has the same few phrases he uses in every commentary. For example,everyone’s favorite line: “He’s breathing to his RIGHT, so he can’t see him.” He just says some silly things in general. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy his commentaries, but more because I find them funny than actually informative and engaged.

      • C Martin says:
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        I like Rowdy Gaines. Personally I think he is a great ambassador for the sport of swimming. To the average viewer who knows nothing about the sport, turning on NBC and hearing his enthusiasm and analysis of the meet is easy to understand–and likely gets more people interested to watch. To lifelong competitive swimmers, fans, and coaches, his commentary might seem “babyish” or “simple,” but I think he has done numbers for the popularity of our sport.

        • EST says:
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          I agree – he can be a bit annoying and repetitive, and he does call the races in a manner aimed towards people who know little about swimming (and that is his job), but I think he has done a lot for the sport.

        • BP says:
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          I don’t believe anyone is saying they don’t personally like Rowdy or believe he has helped to promote the sport but those aren’t reason to keep him as a commentator. The bottom-line is he’s terrible at announcing. He habitually mispronounces athletes names, misspeaks about athletes abilities to swim, their strokes etc and then when an athletes wins he contradicts himself by saying, “I called it”. Look he’s a good guy but his time as an announcer for our sport has passed.

      • Lazy Observer says:
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        I can understand that driving someone crazy if s/he is a swimmer or uberfan. However, I find it interesting that swimmers and swimming fans want on the one hand for more people to follow the sport, but on the other hand seem to resist the kind of inclusive approach that would build that audience: that is, the preference seems to be for fans who are thoroughly versed in all elements of the sport and follow it at all levels, swimming themselves and caring about everything from NAG records to stroke count.

        The world’s most popular sports sustain a breadth of fans: from people who just like popping in now and again when there’s a particularly good game, to steady fans who still only know recent events and obvious factors of success, to players who watch, to uber-fans who can name players from U-20 teams, minors and majors. And to sustain that breadth, they have to create accessibility, through the way games are covered, the way finals are structured, etc.

        Nathan Adrian said this week the extra media coverage is a distraction. But if this sport really wants to matter to people, the swimmers and biggest fans will have to grapple with what adjustments that will take.

        • Becky D says:
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          I can understand the appeal of Rowdy to a general audience. I just wish he’d stop saying things that are obviously wrong … OVER and OVER.

          Cycling has Phil Liggett that makes all kinds of gross errors. But that’s why they have Paul Sherwen there to make on-the-spot corrections. There’s no Paul Sherwen for Rowdy.

    • Steve Nolan says:
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      He’s really repetitive and a lot of what he’s saying isn’t even relevant to what’s happening in the race.

      Already tonight he’s said “this race is going to be in lanes 4 and 5!” Well, yes, those are the top qualifiers. And he was referring to Missy Franklin and Katie Ledecky, I bleev.

    • PK says:
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      Your viewpoint on this is like swimming freestyle and only breathing to one side of the pool. You can only see the people on that side of the pool. You can’t see the people on the other side of the pool.

    • wonkabar23 says:
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      I think most real swim fans dislike how he seems to call it for the non educated fans. 20 years of having to hear Rowdy tell you that someone breathing to right can’t possibly know there is anyone on the left they need to race, that kind of thing…I dont mind him that much, and he gets excited if nothing else.

      • Lazy Observer says:
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        By uneducated fans you must mean “the rest of America.” You know, the people ya’ll keep hoping will start watching between Olympics so that Nationals will actually be broadcast on a real television station and swimmers will be able to sustain well-paid professional careers. Those uneducated fans…

    • Becky D says:
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      Rowdy’s continual insistence that no one can see each other unless they are breathing in that direction drives me nuts.

      Other times he’ll say things are simply wrong — like who is improving or falling off. If you don’t know what you are watching, I can see how it wouldn’t be annoying.

      • JDM says:
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        His other go-to is “he’s swimming on the lane line to get the draft . . . but now he is moving over,” which 99% of the time is absolutely not the case at all. It’s the 100 free at Nationals. No one is zig zagging across the lane line, Rowdy. He says half the shit he says to make it exciting for an uneducated audience, regardless of what is true.

    • W3T says:
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      He’s obsessed with Phelps, to the point that he spent most of the women’s 800 in London talking not about Katie Ledecky, but about Michael Phelps. He’s also completely dismissive of people from teams he doesn’t like.

      • Lazy Observer says:
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        Thank you. This is a legit complaint. As does delivering inaccurate information. But the idea that no one should welcome new or non-swimming fans drives me crazy.

      • Lazy Observer says:
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        Thank you. This is a legit complaint. As is delivering inaccurate information. But the idea that no one should welcome new or non-swimming fans drives me crazy.

        • Becky D says:
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          I can understand your frustration. But “newby-friendly” and “accurate” don’t need to be mutually exclusive.

          • Lazy Observer says:
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            As I said, the complaint over inaccuracy strikes me as a legit complaint. I was specifically addressing the idea that he caters to those “just arrived,” or references to new fans as “uneducated,” etc., etc.

    • Sven says:
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      I think that, as a generally swim-saavy forum, we sometimes lose sight of the fact that he isn’t there to tell us what we’re seeing and who’s who. He’s there to tell the layman who only tunes in for the Olympics/WC’s/Nationals what they’re seeing and who’s who. The breathing thing comes up in every freestyle race over 50 meters, hands down, because everyone breathes every stroke instead of bilaterally.

      As swimming becomes more high profile and well known, his commentary (or his successor’s) will get smarter and more relevant, but for now that’s about all we can expect.

    • BTH says:
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      I feel like I’m in the minority having never really taken to Rowdy’s commentary. To me, he just rehashes the same lowest-common-denominator buzzwords during the races without adding anything substantive to the broadcast aside from the Missy Franklin/Michael Phelps NBC story lines. I prefer just listening to Sam Kendrick (on-deck announcer at almost every big meet) because he has a knack for explaining the relevant and interesting developments of a meet in the context of races without passing judgement like Rowdy can tend to get heavy-handed in doing. Sam really does his homework for every race and rattles off statistics and times easily and naturally, whereas Rowdy doesn’t always care about or have that info available to mention. I’ve said this before on here, but I’d be all for Rowdy passing the mic off to one of the many well-spoken and knowledgeable swimmers who might want to get into broadcasting (he just mentioned Beisel before her slipped start)

      • theroboticrichardsimmons says:
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        someone who is a good analyst and commentator can breakdown a race for both a layman and an educated fan. it’s like pixar mixing in adult humor into movies targeted at children…the children won’t notice, but the adults certainly appreciate it.

        as a layman fan of many other sports, i actually enjoy it when i sense that the announcers are talking to a more sophisticated audience, as long as they take the time to explain things and put them into context. why do we assume that a layman swim fan wouldn’t want to learn about stroke rate or drag shadow or pacing or any of the other interesting and relevant topics a knowledgeable commentator could speak to?

        also, our sport is full of talented personalities and former olympic swimmers that could step in and do the job better and still be a tremendous ambassador. collectively, we can do better than rowdy.

        • Neo says:
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          Exactly!! There’s nothing more boring than watching a sport when you don’t know the rules. When I heard ESPN announcers detail the nuance of situational player positioning and pitch selection, baseball got a lot more interesting. I was at the Jr National Track Cycling Championships once, and the announcer filled the air with detailed and interesting information that made the whole experience infinitely better.

          Providing insightful and accurate technical information is essential in sports broadcasting. General or repetitive comments that inform no one don’t make the sport accessible to layman or engaging for knowledgable fans.

  85. Atento says:
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    Can someone tell the story of psycoDad?? I m not from the usa

    • wonkabar23 says:
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      He is Cordes biggest opponent and states time and time again that Cordes can not be successful because he has a bad stroke

    • Sven says:
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      He’s a commenter who swears up and down that Rebecca Soni and Dave Salo have ruined US breaststroke by using a lower, higher turnover style of breaststroke. Anyone who has success with the lower style, i.e. Michael Andrew, is an anomaly and will soon stop improving until they get higher up out of the water. He’s a bit inflexible, but he’s not a bad dude, we just give him a bit of grief because he’s funny when he gets riled up.

    • Ferb says:
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      He is a stroke technique expert who has passed USA Swimming’s Fundamentals of Coaching.

    • Justin Thompson says:
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      Next to Bobo he’s the most recognized figure on this site as well as the most polarizing. As you can see people are constantly calling on him for his opinion. Agree or disagree with Psychodad he never wavers on his opinion and will not shy away from controversy.

      Psychodad will go down in history as a great American philosopher and swim coach who was years ahead of his time. In the future breaststrokers will swim a 1:59 200M using Psychodad’s technique and the great swims of Soni will be written off as an anomaly never to be reproduced again with the same technique. It’s quiet possible he’ll be held up in the highest of regards in swimming circles rivaling the GOAT.

  86. Philip Johnson says:
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    Move nationals in an indoor pool for one

    • Becky D says:
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      I remember wondering about that a couple decades ago. That’s when I found that they were not named “Long Course” Nationals or “Summer” Nationals, but “Outdoor” Nationals. Don’t know if that still applies or not.

  87. Sean S says:
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    I don’t know why USA swimming can’t just do their feed through YouTube. Mine has cut out several times.

  88. pvdh says:
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    Guys, im afraid the fact that this isnt a WC or a Olympics is keeping everyone from their best. We’re gonna have to wait until Kazan for everyone to go all out.

  89. Wahooswimfan says:
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    To get the feeds to work, you need to make sure you don’t have any other programs on your computer using bandwith. I have FIOS highest speed fiber and still my feed messed up until I paused the other bandwith hopgs like Dropbox, icloud, and others than compete for the bandwidth feed into my home.

  90. Sven says:
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    TURN DOWN FOR WHAT

  91. Andy Majeske says:
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    Flickenger looked really good winning the B final–very smooth and strong the last 50

  92. jonathankkh says:
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    I have to admit I hate the fact that the WC team is selected so soon as there is one whole year away. Do they know how much a swimmer can improve and decline in a year?
    Not a wise strategy at all, IMO.

  93. pvdh says:
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    a new spot has opened up. biesel is doomed from the beginning

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    Did Biesel just slip off the blocks?

  95. rafael says:
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    Pvdh but some who goes extra slow will give up kazan… no schmitt no dressel no coughlin

    • pvdh says:
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      unfortunately yea. although dressel could sneak a 3rd place in the 50

      • Rafael says:
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        I bet coughlin and schmitt will retire after this competition. Or stay in a vollmer like situation

        • pvdh says:
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          yea, i think so too, unless schmitt can pop a good 400 free time. coughlin has had a great career and unfortunately age caught up. Im just hoping now that Matheus Santana can break 48, as dressel is focused on the 50.

          • Rafael says:
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            In 2 weeks we will see what happens. Santana is going as 1 on 50 1 on 100 and 9 seed on 200 on yog

  96. C Martin says:
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    Heartbroken for Beisel.

  97. law Dawg says:
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    I remember the days when Missy dropped 2:07’s in-season.

  98. Sean S says:
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    Slow slow slow slow. Franklin faster in season at most Grand Prix meets last year. Pelton 5 seconds slower than last year, Bartholomew adds 3 seconds from prelims.

  99. hswimmer says:
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    Feel so bad for Beisel :(

  100. Sven says:
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    Ouch. Hats off to Beisel for almost bringing that sucker back after a horrible slip.

  101. Barry says:
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    “Can you explain why meets like [Nationals] are so important?” Was that just an actual question?

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      Again, beating my drum: are you picking on people for being new to the sport? John Fowles once wrote, “Each age… builds high walls around its Versailles; and personally I hate those walls most when they are made by literature and art.” Do you want people to become interested in this sport, or do you prefer a world where swimming matters only to precocious teenagers in posh suburbs and their families?

      • Lazy Observer says:
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        *** Yes, he was referring to art and literature, but I have to say the same applies in almost any field. ***

        • Lane Four says:
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          I agree, Lazy. There are some people who don’t understand that a question, ANY question, is a good thing. I wish certain people would get off their condescending horse and just fairly and openly answer their question. If they don’t understand this simple concept, then do not go into a classroom and raise your hand to ask a question. Just think of all the others rolling their eyes at how stupid your look.

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            maybe there’s no such thing as a bad question, but some questions are definitely better than others. can’t someone reasonably intelligent write down some crowd-pleasing questions that have substance to them and hand them to this reporter? it really can’t be that hard.

            seriously, the commentating and interviewing is one step above that of a christopher guest movie. i keep expecting the reporter to wink at the camera to let us know that she’s in on the joke.

  102. Thanos says:
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    Rowdy kept talking about beisel’s mishap and almost missed missy winning by a huge margin

  103. Sean S says:
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    3 people between A and B finals slip with Beisel, Brandon, and Earley is it too late to throw so backstroke wedges in?

  104. jackppc says:
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    I had to laugh a little at beisel, huge slip, quite funny

  105. swimmer24 says:
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    I don’t care what anyone else says. SWIM OF THE NIGHT= Elizabeth Beisel

  106. law Dawg says:
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    Gold medal Mel should enter himself in the 100 fly. Considering the way everyone’s swimming, he’ll make the team for sure behind Shields!

  107. Andy Majeske says:
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    What is the holdup with getting approval for those new backstroke start ledges? I really could empathize with Beisel– I remember some of those starts back in the day . . .

  108. Sean S says:
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    At what point does Missy stop being the adorable teenager a start being the ditzy college girl? Maybe a little unfair of me with how bad the interviewer’s questions have been but Missy almost makes Lochte seem smart in these post race interviews and he affinity for the pharse “oh my gosh.”

    • wonkabar23 says:
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      About two years ago for me

    • Steve Nolan says:
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      It’s starting to get grating. I’m sure she’s just this amazing, lovely, bubbly person and whatever, but ugh. You can turn it down a little sometimes, ya know.

    • JDM says:
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      Someone finally said it.

      • Bossanova says:
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        She’s always so bubbly and happy. She has to just cut loose and scream or something to let off some steam every now and then. That’d probably be more entertaining than these post race interviews.

    • pvdh says:
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      HEY, DONT GO AFTER LOCHTE. anyways, i think she’s being surpassed already by ledecky as the face of swimming. once katie destroys in rio, it will be finalized. and ledecky is great on interviews

    • lolertoaster says:
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      look around in the athlete section during her interviews every one is laughing so hard. cringe…..

  109. question says:
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    Can flickinger get the 200 back spot since she technically had 3rd fastest overall time? or can you only qualify from A final

  110. ole 99 says:
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    Is the internet feed affecting the swims because everything is s….l…..o……w…..

  111. jswim123 says:
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    the canadian trials had more depth in the 200 back than that final did there…

  112. chinesesupreme says:
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    I thought China would be the number 1 swimming nation around 2016-17, but it seems that it will happen already 2015-16 !!!! China rules !!!!!!!

  113. Thanos says:
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    I doubt coughin will just fall off the wayside she is too proud to do that. I think that she will just swim the free sprints till Omaha and if she makes to rio swim one last meet, if not retire after the USOT

  114. Law Dawg says:
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    Conger off his PB in the 200 back by more than four seconds. Jeesh.

    • coach says:
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      Age group parents hating on teenagers online. Are you proud of yourself?

    • coach says:
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      Age group parents hating on teenagers online. Are you proud of yourself? Anything you want to add about Lochte? Schmidtt? Coughlin? Or do you just like picking on kids who are the same age as your child?

  115. jswim123 says:
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    its time ryan murphy…

  116. Andy Majeske says:
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    So Conger really didn’t just screw up on his strategy this am–he really didn’t have anything else to give. What a shame–with his 1:55 at the univ games last summer and all . . .

  117. QWERPYDERPY says:
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    Man, whatever happened to Matt Biondi? That guy really fell off the radar…. He’s had some really slow times this season.

  118. ole 99 says:
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    Conger was hugging that lane line like I used to in practice. He could have used my lane line pull technique, but I’m sure that would be frowned upon.

  119. pvdh says:
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    #SaveUsRyanMurphy

  120. QWERPYDERPY says:
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    I really think Dressel is going to win the 2 back

  121. Thanos says:
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    Lochte looks serious. I am hoping that at least this race lives up to the expectations because the other races have been disappointing expect the women’s 200 free.

  122. 2
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    Lochte looks great in the water

  123. NickH says:
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    Perhaps the scratch out of the 200 free for Lochte was a good move.

  124. Sean S says:
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    You think he is going to show up for awards this time?

  125. jswim123 says:
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    FINALY A DECENT SWIM

  126. Law Dawg says:
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    Hey! A decent time! What’s the world coming to?

  127. C Martin says:
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    Did anyone else see at least two times where Lochte went past the 15 meter mark?

  128. Thanos says:
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    Clary 154 what a race !
    Murphy second
    Lochte faded to third

  129. Sean S says:
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    So I think the Murphy vs Conger debate is officially over.

    • ole 99 says:
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      Both have a ton of potential, but Conger certainly looks like he is favoring freestyle over backstroke at this meet. Conger still has the faster 200 Back time by the way.

    • AbcSwim says:
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      Is it? Conger was 1:55.4 last summer…not sure what’s up with his 159 tonight. But you definitely can’t base this off one swim at one meet. So he’s still faster in that race.

      • Schefty says:
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        Has Conger ever beat Murphy head to head? I dare you to find one instance same heat man to man… It’s never happened

  130. We Love Phelps says:
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    that Clary dude… lol

  131. Jacob Ryan says:
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    Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible swim for Connor Green in that A final. I guess some people just aren’t ready for the next step..

  132. pvdh says:
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    conger needs to permanently switch to 100/200 free. those are wide open compared to the backstroke

  133. WHKirch says:
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    I understand Clary is pumped, but did anyone else think that was a little over the top considering he was already on the team and the celebration was kind of a f-you?

    • Sean S says:
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      It’s not like he is the defending Olympic gold medalist and had never won a race on this big of a stage before. Oh wait…

    • Sven says:
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      He won a race where, despite being the defending Olympic champ, he was considered the underdog. What’s offensive about getting pumped?

      • PsychoDad says:
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        Lochte can beat Clary only when Lochte is in best shape of his life. Otherwise, Clary is way technically better than Lochte and this was no contest,

        • PsychoDad says:
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          For these “drive by hating” clickers who vote my post down. here is more information why Clary is better than Lochte so they have more hating reasons.

          Lochte swims old school backstroke – high shoulder rotation (fashion model that he is) with deep pull. He does not catch high either. Lack of perfect technique he makes up with competitiveness and being in great shape for major events. Clary swims modern stroke – much smaller shoulder rotation, very high catch, and pull straight back without deep pull down big S that Lockhe does. Clary swims backstroke the way Mark Russell from USA Swimming likes them to swim it.

          • Justin Thompson says:
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            Love him or hate once again Psychodad is dead on.

            Folks Lochte isn’t in good enough shape to put up times near his best effort in the 200m Free or 200m Back. He’s doing well considering the amount of training and his injuries this year. For Pan Pacs he needs to stick with the 100 Free/Fly and the 200IM.

          • Sven says:
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            It’s Russell Mark, but yeah, Clary’s backstroke is definitely more in tune with modern trends. Still, I’m sure this has been addressed throughout his swimming career, and yet Ryan continues to swim that way. He’s able to keep his tempo up despite having more rotation and a deeper pull. The question is, do you think Gregg Troy and his coaching staff never looked at Ryan’s backstroke and tried to change it? I’m sure they have, and for some reason they opted to stick with it. Does Elizabeth Beisel swim that way as well or is she more modern? She seems to be doing well in the 200 back, when she can get off the wall. Is it a Florida thing?

            The answer doesn’t matter, by the way. Either she does modern style and Gregg Troy decided for some reason to have Lochte do a different style because it works better for him, or Florida is somehow producing world class backstrokers with “inferior” technique. My point is, his technique is not working against him like you claim. One does not break Aaron Piersol’s world records with broken technique.

      • WHKirch says:
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        Like another poster said, it may just be how Clary rubs people the wrong way, but he comes across with that celebration like took down a smacktalker to win out of nowhere. It wasn’t like when Shields finally broke through and he didn’t even hop up on the lane line.

        • Sven says:
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          That’s your interpretation of his reaction. There’s no established protocol saying “do this if you want to look like you just beat a smacktalker” or “do this if you just won Nationals but you’ve already won the Olympics so it’s no big deal.” It was a tough race, he swam very well, he got excited. I mean, feel how you wanna feel, but Shields slapped the water and because Tyler Clary looked different doing it, he’s criticized? That doesn’t make sense to me.

          • theroboticrichardsimmons says:
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            i dunno, clary was conspicuously absent from the podium after his silver in the 200 fly, so seeing him go bananas after a win probably rubs people the wrong way.

            the dude has every right to celebrate in whatever way we wants. and everyone else has the right to think he’s a d-bag.

        • CraigH says:
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          Clary has a long history of rubbing people the wrong way.

  134. JW says:
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    Nice swim for Clary, but his celebration kind of bothers me.

    • mcgillrocks says:
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      It definitely looked a little awkward. There was no “cool” factor, for sure. I suggest he add watching some college basketball highlights to at least make them look professional.

  135. Sven says:
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    And now, the marquee event, the race we’ve all been waiting for, and the only one that really matters:

    The 50 fly.

  136. Thanos says:
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    It will be a big battle at pan pacs to see which two of those three will have the best two times for the worlds. I don’t think Murphy will make it with a 15599 so he needs to improvs further

  137. chinesesupreme says:
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    Just see the Asian Games next month !!! China will show who is the king !!!

  138. TheTroubleWithX says:
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    Looks like Ryan Murphy has punched his PanPacs ticket. It’ll be interesting to see if the men’s selection can make it to 4th place, so Seliskar and Pebley, among others can go.

  139. Sven says:
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    Oh man, I’d kill to hear what Lochte and Piersol were laughing about on the podium. Five bucks says the phrase “fly and die” was used.

    • Bobthebuilderrocks says:
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      Was Peirsol presenting the medals?

      • Sven says:
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        Yeah, it was kind of cool to see. He looked at Lochte when he got to him and Lochte just started busting up laughing and kind of shrugged like he knew Piersol was judging that race. It could very well have been something totally different, but that’s what my interpretation based on body language, Piersol being the WR holder, and their history of always racing that event.

        But yeah, I’m guessing they were like “Who would be good to present the medals for the mens 200 back that we can get to southern California easily? What? Aaron Piersol lives here? Eh, I guess he’ll do.”

  140. Josh says:
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    Typical swim crowd. Somebody does more than smile and wave after they win a national championship and people start to feel uncomfortable.

    • Sean S says:
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      That’s not really what it was, I thought Shields slapping the water was fine after his 2Fly and I loved Phelps after the 100 Fly in Beijing, but there is a time and place for it, and for Clary winning at nationals shouldn’t be that moment.

      • Sven says:
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        Why? He won Nationals. Against a blazing pair of Ryans. It’s not the Olympics, sure, but what is it that makes it not okay to get excited?

    • DL says:
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      The guy didn’t show up for awards when he lost his first race, and if you remember, there was the controversy with him dissing Phelps during Olympic training camp. So, yes, it does bother some people.

      • Josh says:
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        I agree, not showing up for the awards was very poor form. That being said, I’ve seen bigger celebrations than than after average dunks in the NBA Summer League. Swimming needs more personality, excitement and emotion, not less.

      • Troy Gennaro says:
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        People need to get over the whole “controversy” between Clary and Phelps. Clary called out Phelps because he wasn’t in the same shape he was for Beijing. It would be one thing if it was a blatant lie, but it wasn’t, and Phelps even admitted it himself later. I don’t see anything wrong with being excited about a good swim. It’s a sport. Some people just need to lighten up and have fun with it.

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      I mean, he reacted like Lochte was smacktalking him on the way onto the deck and he’d just broken a world record. This was one of his own teammates who is coming back from a knee injury, is 30 years old and has said only nice things about him. I think it’s the permanent “me against the world” attitude that wears me down.

      Also, humorously, he was replicating Phelps reaction from ’09, so I guess he can’t quite get out of that shadow.

    • EST says:
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      Fair or not, I think Clary just rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

      • Sven says:
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        yeah, this all strikes me as personally directed. “Shields can, Phelps can, Clary can’t” or “he’s already qualified, so he can’t get that excited anymore” etc.

        I’m not a huge fan of the guy. Still, he had a sick final 50 and took the win, and got excited.

        Here’s what’s jacked up: Tyler Clary gives us the first RESPECTABLE time of the night but no wait he got too excited nevermind.

    • mcgillrocks says:
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      This could be unpopular but I think you get the right to celebrate a little if you win. He just won a national championship in a pretty decent time and beat a couple rivals. That’s a pretty big achievement, regardless of who he is or what he’s already done. He has a right to (theoretically) express himself in his moment of elation. For the record, I kinda think it looked a little stupid. He can definitely work on it. But in theory, there shouldn’t be anything wrong with what he did.

      People in other sports punch the air all the time for scoring a couple baskets or touchdowns in a regular season game, never mind a game-winning play or in the playoffs. Maybe it’s over the top, but there shouldn’t be stigma against celebrating victory in a major event that only comes once a year when Tom Brady fist pumps 50+ times per year.

  141. Ferb says:
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    Weird, my feed just cut out, and I refreshed it, and it restarted at the introductions to the mens’ 200 breast A-final. Seriously.

  142. Sean S says:
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    I love seeing how many fat officials there are at these meets.

  143. BP says:
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    Whose granddaugther is the girl doing the interviews? Seriously, they couldn’t get a well spoken former national team member to do it and ask interesting, educated swimming questions?

  144. Thanos says:
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    Personally I like clary’s firey nature. phelps is like that in some ways.

  145. hswimmer says:
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    I think the world is going to be shocked with all these new faces! LOL

  146. .... says:
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    “take us through your race” how much can you really say about a 50 long course fly…it’s a one way sprint with no strategy…

    • Sven says:
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      “Dive, kick a bit, and then alternate reaching and kicking until I am physically stopped by the wall.”

  147. SwimSam says:
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    Wow, not to be the one to point this out, but there’s so much negativity. I understand this has been underwhelming to say the least, but you guys are seriously sucking the joy out of my life. Wow, Rowdy’s the John Madden of our sport. Cordes blew it in the finals! Conger needs to make up his mind. Missy needs to tone down her personality. Clary could’ve been more humble. I get it, but maybe we could get a bit more constructive criticism up in here. From observation, Cordes swam his race, but it was way longer then this morning. Watch his pullout off the blocks, he’s too long, I don’t think he was putting forward everything tonight.

    • dudeguy says:
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      Disappointed comments on a message board are sucking the joy out of your life?

    • Lazy Observer says:
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      I confess these races tonight made me cranky. I will do my part by signing off and returning in a better mood tomorrow.

    • hswimmer says:
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      Maybe Clary had to talk to his coach about something? You weren’t there, also Missy is Missy, nobody can change anything about how nice and genuine she is.

    • SwimSam says:
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      Don’t mean to sound condescending, this has been a big part of my week too with countless twitter feed refreshes, and it is disappointing to see these times, but no point throwing USA Swimming under the bus for under performing at Nats with the actual meet a ways away. Crossing my fingers that hometown Nick Thoman qualifies in one of the backs, so no one talk crap if he slips off the wall or the infinite depth of American backstroke floods him

  148. Ferb says:
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    25.99 as the 8th fastest time in the world this year sure puts Sjostrom’s 24.43 in perspective.

  149. SUNY Cal says:
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    Does anyone know what is going on with Elizabeth Pelton?? She seems to be WAY off her times??? Is she sick??

  150. wave rider says:
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    Happy for Michael Andrew on his heat win in the 50 Fly. Not even a top time but MA looked really happy because he won. The kid is a fierce competitor. I truly believe he will make it to the top not only because of his god given talent but also because he is such a great competitor. Go Micheal Go!

    • Sven says:
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      I imagine it’d be nice to be able to say you touched out Caeleb Dressel in a 50.

    • LRIP says:
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      Okay, what’s your relation???

      • JDM says:
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        I gotta say that one of the best things about the Phelps comeback is that I no longer read about Michael Andrews everyday.

      • wave rider says:
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        LRIP, my relation is just another fellow Christian. Michael is right on track. I’m very excited to see whats to come. God has never made one mistake. MA is obviously blessed I just hope God has big plans for MA.

  151. Thanos says:
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    Grevers gets lone 50 fly spot

  152. ole 99 says:
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    Grevers with the nice kiss off to the terrible poolside reporter.

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      I turned it off before his interview because I didn’t want to hear her ask him, “Do you think being 6 foot 8 helped you win that race?”

  153. riley says:
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    I really wonder about the things Rowdy and the other commentator are saying…literally 2 seconds after pointing out that Josa went 23.5 in the swim off (would have been #1 out of prelims I believe and 2nd in the final) went on to say how the race was only gonna be between Phillips, Grevers and Godsoe.

    • theroboticrichardsimmons says:
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      yeah, that was pretty inexcusable. he literally said that in the same breath. any halfway decent announcer would have pounced on an opportunity to make a really interesting point there. “despite squeaking into the finals, josa won his swim-off with a time that would have placed him top seed. keep an eye on lane 8, because he may just win this race.”

      but no, we get rowdy, because tradition.

      • riley says:
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        Yep. Hopefully he’ll retire soon, because we have plenty of younger swimmers that would be awesome as commentators. I know he mentioned Beisel wanting to go into broadcasting, she would be great as an announcer.

  154. JW says:
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    Gotta love Matt Grevers! Such a cool guy.

  155. WHKirch says:
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    That reporter was very rude to Grevers, especially after he mentioned that it was Worlds, not Pan Pacs, in which he qualified for.

  156. ole 99 says:
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    Good evening for the Illinois men.

    Dwyer and Malone qualify in the 200 free
    Cordes qualifies in the 200 BR
    Grevers qualifies in the 50 FL (for WC)

  157. 100free says:
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    Clary apologized profusely and immediately on Twitter after missing awards — he said he blanked and just assumed they’d be later. It was only second final of the meet and the first men’s final, so it just seems like an honest mistake on his part.

  158. Wasteomoney says:
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    I’m concerned if we keep complaining about the live feed USA swimming will just add another $10.00 to our yearly membership fee. The feed will still be slow but we will have plenty of tattoos!

  159. The Observer says:
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    Dressel looked really good in that 50 Fly a lot of aggression it seems from a bad first night.
    I think he just wan’t prepared mentally for the 100 Free.
    But I’m certain he will secure a spot on the Junior Pan Pac Team in the 50 Free with no worries.
    Then he’ll have the few weeks he needs to focus on the 100.

    • ole 99 says:
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      I don’t think mental preparedness was the issue with Dressel in the 100 Free given his 1:55.7 in the 200 Free this morning. He took time off and cleary does not have the same endurance he had last summer. Don’t worry though. I’m sure he will get plenty of yardage at FL to correct that.

    • riley says:
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      I doubt Jr Pan Pacs is his goal considering his time from Jr Pan Pacs LAST year would have been 2nd in the final yesterday if I remember correctly. The time off is clearly the endurance issue, but I would not be surprised at all to see him pull out a 3rd on the 50 because he seems to have a knack for getting his hand to the wall.

  160. NickH says:
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    Clary seems to have given his medal tonight to a kid in the stands. Class act if you ask me.

    • riley says:
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      Haha agreed. Everybody on here seems to have a problem if you don’t act like Missy Franklin after every race. I actually really like Clary and it was nice to see him excited about his race (which outside of Ledecky was the only exciting one of the night)

      • Thanos Mihas says:
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        totally agree. do we really want a bunch of east german robots of the past ? every swimmer has his/her own personality and the different characters make this exiting and fun.

  161. Bards1602 says:
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    USA swimming is in trouble…

  162. PVK says:
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    Jesus, what a downright horrible and strange meet. You have [most] of the stars of the sport blowing it in finals, a poolside “reporter” who clearly just got out of the 5th grade, annoying & repetitive commentary. I must be forgetting something. Severely underwhelming…good luck usa..

  163. JDM says:
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    It seems to me that the B and C finals are relatively more competitive than the A finals, and that there is more time being dropped from morning to night in those B and C finals as well. It seems to me that is where the fully rested athletes are swimming, and the truly elite swimmers we are disappointed in know they just need one top 3 finish. They can manage that (or are trying to manage that) without a full taper, thus saving the big show for three weeks from now. That is my hope anyway. For example, we know now Clary has a big workout from Marsh tomorrow. And Adrian talked about this “journey” of taper. Love Adrian when he is abstract, btw.

  164. Pvdh says:
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    Clary apologized about missing the podium. He said he thought they would be later. And when beat ryan lochte in his top event (or is that 200 I’m?) who wouldn’t be pumped?

  165. PVK says:
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    AND…it’s time for Missy Franklin to get with the times and grow up. She’s not America’s high school sweetheart anymore. She is sooo dolled up for the media it makes me sick.

    • Sven says:
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      Vanderkaay or van den Hoogenband. You can impersonate one famous swimmer of Dutch origin. Don’t hog them both.

  166. Thanos Mihas says:
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    i don’t know why the criticism on missy franklin and tyler clary. every swimmer has their own style and personality. that is what makes this interesting and exciting. do we really want the drago character from rocky iv talking in monotone or some east german robots from the 70s and 80s ?
    as far as some of the apparent “slow” times it is somewhat justified given that the big meet is in two weeks and the qualifying process for kazan isn’t as unforgiving as the USOT where 3rd is just as bad as last ! a lot of the elites know they only need to qualify for pan pacs with a decent time and just have a time in the top two anericans to make the worlds team. another factor is that this pool is outdoors and really slow. it would be more fair to compare the winning times with the 2010 meet in this same pool as opposed to the fast indoor pools of indy and omaha.

  167. John says:
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    (1) The obsession with Dressel on every thread is bizarre. Perhaps he should retire and become the new anouncer as he seems more popular than Phelps.
    (2) From a continent where many people swim fast all year round (Europe) , we always have “in season” as an excuse for slow US times. (A strange name because what is the season? I thought it meant “competitive season” but it means the opposite.) Anyway, if that is then replaced by “slow times here because they are saving it for Pan Pacs”, what happens if they go slow in Pan Pacs? “Times slow here because they are saving themselves for Rio in 2016″?
    Irvine needs a Katinka Hosszu!

  168. aswimfan says:
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    The claim by some people that the swimmers are not (fully) tapered in this trials in order to prepare for pan pacs is as silly as the claim that the australians were not tapered in the commonwealth games to prepare for pan pacs.

    There are some explanations for the relatively slower swimming than expected, but not tapered is not it.

    Maybe a couple of swimmers like Ledecky and Franklin can afford to, but who wants to risk not getting selected to pan pacs and thus 2015 kazan?

    Some are forgetting that this trials is very important in that it also serves as the selection for 2015 Worlds.

    So, is the explanation for Schmitt ridiculously slow swim is because she’s not fully tapered so she can destroy everyone else at Pan Pacs?

    Whats the point of preparing for pan pacs when you can’t even get selected to go there (and kazan).

  169. PsychDad says:
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    Aswimfan, the real question is: if Schmitt is a God fearing person and God never made a mistake, as a poster claims here, why is she swimming so slow? Your argument is well reasoned, but there is no place for reason here. The reason is replaced by a click.

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